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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:14 AM
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Clark on MTP.
Emphasizing the working class.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:15 AM
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1. how's he doing?
can't watch, but will listen later on CSPAN radio?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:18 AM
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2. He's doing fine.
Russert tried to trap him with Moore's remarks, but Clark wouldn't bite, he said he wanted to talk about the issues.

Said Moore's allowed free speech.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:18 AM
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4. thanks :)
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:18 AM
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3. Russert asked the AWOL question FOUR times!
Clark swatted it away. Says people aren't asking about it. They're mentioning jobs and healthcare.

More concerned about the future than the past.

Handled it well. Not intimidated by Russert.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:19 AM
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6. 4 times! The wingnuts are worried about it n/t
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:02 AM
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20. They are worried about it. However, their obsession with trying
to entrap Clark on the issue just brings it more to people's attention! Clark just throws it back in their faces, but Americans who get their news exclusively from t.v. are probably going to start wondering about *'s AWOL status. I think the tactic is already backfiring. The question will no doubt come up in the GE, and people will expect answers.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:40 AM
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27. I agree. At some point I would like to see the discussion shift
to whether Bush was a deserter or just AWOL. I think that would drive the Reich wing even more nuts.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:43 AM
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28. heheh...maybe they'll do a poll. Deserter or AWOL?
You make the call.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:20 AM
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7. Can you imagine how Russert feels?
He's used to intimidating just about everyone. And he has to interview someone who can't be intimidated!
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:40 AM
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12. whenever they're asked that question
they need to respond that the "journalists" asking the question should take a look into it themselves if they want to settle the thing once and for all. Clark is campaigning for president, he has other things to think about besides what some chimp in a flight suit did or didn't do over 30 years ago.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:49 AM
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30. Tim doesn't seem to really be in the attack mode. Maybe..
has learned that Clark won't play that game with him.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:24 AM
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9. Some of us agree with the way he handled it.
But, there are others who think he should straight up call Bush out for being a deserter.

Look how many threads beating on Kerry. heh

Both Clark and Kerry should keep cool and let their subdivisions bring the awol issue up......and often.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:51 AM
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31. Right, blm. It would be very stupid to make bush AWOL an issue...
By now, people either believe or they don't. It's irrelevant to trying to oust bush right now.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:19 AM
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5. he's calm and collected
GO WES!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:20 AM
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8. Russert hits with Kornblau remark
about Clark's lobbying. Clark answers cooly. Says he wants to bring people into the party and that he can attract them.

As a Kerry supporter, I dislike Kornblau. He's starting to talk like Trippi. I'm gonna complain.

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:26 AM
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10. he was great!
GO WES!!

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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:30 AM
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11. Clark was great
and now they are sliming Dean
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:53 AM
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32. This was Clark's best MTP, IMHO. It almost appears that..
Tim was helping Clark to rehabilitate from the GOP "debate" ambush.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:41 AM
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13. They're all talking about the deserter comment, now.
Brokaw actually said there was a period of absence.

But, they dumped a bit on Moore and Russert said Moore is now saying it was a joke...HUH....did anyone get that?
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:42 AM
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14. What the hell is up Brokaw's Ass Re: Clark?
That's the third time I watch him slime Clark and I DO NOT WATCH Brokaw. He attacked Clark after the SOTU, I saw him on another program (I forget which) attacking him the next day, and then here on MTP, he's going after him again. What the hell?

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:46 AM
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16. Brokaw
He's a total Bush whore. Must see Clark as legit competition.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:51 AM
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17. Actually, He Almost Seems Like He Likes Dean
I don't remember what he's said that makes me think that, but I think he is rooting for Dean (whether that's because he legitimately likes him, or he thinks Bush can beat him, or whatever).

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:53 AM
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18. *edit* I take back what I said about Brokaw
I was thinking of someone else, heh.

I don't know what bug is up his ass or why. I would lose my mind trying to figure out who has what against whom, lately.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:57 AM
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19. Brokaw dumped on Clark. Pumping up Dean a bit.
Odd. Especially since Clark just appeared and did a pretty good job.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:07 AM
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22. He really looked sad and dismayed when they were talking about *'s poll
numbers sliding, after the SOTU address no less! OMG, how can this be?? :evilgrin:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:55 AM
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33. Bush's SOTU gave America the finger. It's no wonder...
bush's numbers are down.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:28 AM
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25. !!BUT Brokaw did say there were questions about W's time in the guard!!!
I have a thread in GD about Brokaw's statement



I am not posting this because of Clark's non-response response but becasue of this, later during the "round table" discussion Brokaw couldn't believe that clark had not "killed that snake" a week ago. Broder said that he asked Clark about at the event and Clark wouldn't kill it. I figured Brokaw was going to dismiss it and Clark with it but then he said the quote above.

Much of the round table discussion was about perception, if Clinton or now Edwards had misspelled "potato" it would have been a non event but Quayle doing it provided material to back up the already commonly held beliefs about him. They were saying that the SCREAM speech by Dean was much the same, adding validity to the "mean" perception. Russert also cited Gore's saying that he invented the internet. My eyes rolled (he never said that) but then it hit me what Clark seemed to be doing:

Clark doesn't want that to be stuck to him BUT he doesn't want it to die either. As has been pointed out here at DU that technically W probably wasn't AWOL or a deserter. That's not the point, the point is that it is in households and at the diner/coffee shop counter. This could be like Gore's internet quote. It doesn't have to be true to get sunk into discussions.

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:44 AM
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15. Can't watch right now but..
I'm glad the reports are positive!

:thumbsup:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:06 AM
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21. Thanks, blm. I do appreciate it.
What I like best about Kerry is...that he has you.;-)
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:11 AM
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23. Me too, but
I am mad at Kerry for going negative on Clark. Blm never has and I like that. Sometimes I think, "and after all I have done for you John Kerry".
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:34 AM
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26. It's the media tweaking them both into things.
They wanted Kerry to hit back at Clark for the LKL appearance. I doubt Kerry has had the time to digest the way Clark was tweaked by Dole.

CLARK: I'm the only person in this race who has ever done foreign policy and I know all of the domestic issues, too. It's one thing to talk about it, but if you think of foreign policy it's like major league baseball. I'm the only person who has ever played it and I pitch a 95 mile an hour fastball. I've negotiated peace agreements, I've won a war. I'm prepared to help the country that's why I'm running. I'm not worried about John Kerry or anybody else.

DOLE: We're not -- we're discussing here as friends but I think just politically you just became a colonel instead of a general...

CLARK: Well, I don't think that's at all -- Senator, with all due respect, he's a lieutenant and I'm a general. You got to get your facts on this. He was a lieutenant in Vietnam. I've done all of the big leadership. I respect John Kerry and I like him but what I'm going to say it's up to the voters of New Hampshire, South Carolina, New Mexico, Arizona, Oklahoma, all across this country, and that's what democracy is about. It's your job to handicap the race. It's my job to go out here and do the best thing I can do for the United States of America and that's what I'm going to do.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0401/19/lkl.00.html

I blame Mark Kornblau from the Kerry camp and Chris Lehane from the Clark camp for alot of the unnecessary roughness going on. It's not too bad for political elbowing, but, the supporters are getting the impression it is worse than it is.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:56 AM
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34. Ditto. Blm rocks!
:grouphug:
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:12 AM
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24. on MM
showing a film clip asking if it's appropriate

"i wouldn't have used that term " and then into a campaign speech.

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:47 AM
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29. Great interview.. Very steady and confident..
Great tone and composure. I was initially very concerned that Tim would have on his attack dog face. His questions aren't that tough. And the general is coming across very well. :7
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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:04 AM
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35. Clark was great.
I am a Mass resident and voted for Kerry I think each time it was possible. I do not support him for this race though. I am support Clark. Clark seems to have much more sincerity and integrity than Kerry.


BTW the heavy handed requirement that we abide by all the rules on this board limiting or speech is offensive. I did not read them all, but what an terrible thing to have on a democratic board.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:17 AM
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36. OK, it's official!
Russert is an ASSHOLE! sheesh! How many times can he ask about Michael Moore? He went at it from 4 different angles. My G-D, the media is out for blood. Russert has yet to ask ONE positive question. :grr:
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:18 AM
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37. Two Questions for you East Coasters
1) MTP is on in 40 minutes. If I'm a Clark fan, is it worth watching?

2) Did that shrew Gloria Borger piss on Clark again?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:25 AM
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38. Yes. It is a must watch.
Clark was at his best. I am drafting a longer post, but I wanted to get this alert out there now!
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:39 AM
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39. Watch, Jack. It's Clark's best MTP, IMHO...
Borger didn't go out of her way to piss on Clark.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:50 AM
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40. Schweet! Can't wait.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 07:40 PM
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55. Also on CNBC at 9pm
.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 12:30 PM
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41. That was the smoothest I've seen Clark, and most populist.
It was his best TV interview format performance. So often we just say so and so was great, that it loses meaning. This was the best I've seen Clark do. I will give credit to Russet too, he was on good behavior. I guess I disagree with some other posters about that, and I will comment more about Russet below. Clark came across as serious, fluent, sincere, and solid, with the emphasis on solid. Clark was at ease at all times. I was most impressed at how much mastery Clark showed of the political art of turning a question answer into the statement that you want to make. When done poorly it is obvious and clumsy, Clark was nailing it during this interview, and Russet let him speak. At the end of a comment Russet sometimes returned to a point, if he felt Clark slipped past it, which was fair. Clark pulled if off because he did answer Russet's question each time, quickly and efficiently, and then gracefully moved on to what Clark felt was important.

Clark turned Russet's first question about the Moore statement into a discussion about what is important to the voters. Essentially he did that each time the question was rephrased. The way Clark did it was by saying he is concerned about the future, not the past. He said as he has traveled across New Hampshire no voter has asked him about Michael Moore's comments. They talk about the loss of jobs, about health care issues.

Clark shifted easily into talking about his own background, having to move in with his grandparents when his father died and they moved back South. Never having much. Spending most of his time in the military making less than 50 Thousand a year, having to decide if they could afford to get a car repair that month. He talked about parents worrying about paying for braces for their kids teeth, etc. Clark spun into and out of his progressive income tax plan and what it would mean for working families, and he gave specifics. And he did all of that while giving answers to Russet's questions about the Moore statement. The fact that Clark moved so seamlessly into broader policy issues did, I will admit, have something to do with why Russet reframed the question a few times,

The key is Clark never came across as being evasive, instead he was gently dismissive of it as a real issue of concern to voters in New Hampshire now. He oozed confidence, no sense of squirming through an uncomfortable trap. The points Clark made regarding Moore's comments were simple and clear. Clark did say that he himself wouldn't have made that exact characterization, but Clark did not bite on the Moore is insulting the President or Presidency bit, or that Moore was out of bounds in any way, and Clark repeated that he hadn't looked into any of the facts involved. He framed it as a free speech issue without disavowing the content. Clark said he doesn't screen his supporters for what they will might at a rally. He said he saw Moore's comment as an expression of Moore's dissent. Further, and to me this was very important and telling about Clark's character, loyalty and convictions, Clark directly praised Michael Moore within one of his answers, saying that Moore has said a number of important things and made real contributions to America.

Clark was at his populist best when he said an era is over in America, where the assumption can be sold that if you give rich people more money somehow that will translate into more jobs for average Americans. It doesn't. He said the Bush tax agenda has been exposed and discredited. They aren't putting America back to work but he will. After keeping America safe, jobs is his highest priority.

Russet confronted Clark with past statements about promising not to let another incident like 9/11 happen again, and said how can you guarantee it? Clark said he did not offer any guarantees, of course there are no guarantees about anything of this sort. Clark very effectively laid out that scenario whereby Bush took office being warned about the danger of terrorists, but then proceeded to concentrate on a national missile defense system instead. having made no plans to deal with terrorism. Clark said that is failed leadership. Bush did not do everything he could to keep America safe, but that he, Clark, would. Clark said Bush has to be held responsible for his failings in that critical period. Further Clark again explained that while he was glad Hussein was out of power, there were other ways to deal with Hussein at the time other than launching that invasion the way Bush did. No immanent threat. Took our focus off of Bin Laden, who is still out there plotting against America. Regarding the "promise no more incidents like 9/11" " "gotcha" attempt, I think Clark did well.

The only way I think Clark could improve would be to specifically say, "perhaps my comments were not clear enough at the time, and left the impression that I was promising the impossible. Let me make this clear. Under my Administration there will be no more "incidents" of our nation being ill prepared to face and defend against a real threat to our safety, because the President of the United States was uninformed, inattentive, or predisposed for ideological reasons to look elsewhere for a threat, rather than focus on the one that all knowledgeable sources presented as most credible and immanent. That is my promise. It is not only possible for our President to make that guarantee, it is essential that he honor it, and I will." I really think that is the point Clark is making. Mostly it got across, and Clark KEPT THE HEAT ON BUSH for 9/11.

At one point Clark commented on how the Bush Administration cooked the intelligence to fit their ideological and political agenda. Russet said that was a serious charge, and could Clark back it, AND CLARK COULD! He was masterful in that segment, citing an intentionally leaked highly classified memo that the Bush administration used to buttress their claim of a link between Hussein and Bin Ladin link. Clark pointed out that it is standard national security policy to never comment on a leaked classified National Security document, for national security reasons. Doing so can compromise sources and methods used to gather intelligence, and it is not done, but the Bush Administration hyped the contents after they were "leaked". Very powerful stuff.

Clark was confronted with Kerry campaign negative flyers against Clark, and negative emails from Kerry's campaign sent out to the media over this weekend, about Clark's alleged Republican lobbying and cashing in on his military career. Clark firmly stuck to the high road. He said nothing negative about Kerry. Clark quickly ran down an overview of his own career and the breadth of his experiences, including his work in the private sector after leaving the military, and framed his private sector experience rounding out his career and better preparing him for the Presidency. He did not act or sound defensive. Clark did not dwell on it because he wanted to talk about the issues, and for a change, he was not letting his limited air time be dominated by responding to attacks made against him.

Clark was also asked about the need for all the candidates to secure some Primary victories by Feb. 3rd. Clark agreed that victories were needed, and he would get them, but did not quite nail himself to Feb. 3rd though he did cite his strength in a number of states voting on Feb. 3rd and after. Clark went out of his way to praise his grass roots volunteer movement and the commitment so many have made to his effort, both in New Hampshire and around the country. Clark fielded his "Republican past" one more time, this in the context of his older votes for some Republican Presidents, and he handled it smoothly, saying his vision of the Democratic party was one that was welcoming in disaffected Americans of various political leanings, to turn around our country form the crisis we are in, and he can reach those people. He said people grow, nimbly implying that he had certainly grown over the years since Nixon.

That's about it. Remember Clark did not have a full hour this time. He did a remarkable job of responding to all the hits out against him, while keeping his cool, and making his points. A remarkable performance all in all. One more time I will state. Clark has shown huge courage to stand his ground and not disavow Moore, despite wilting fire being directed against him. By doing so Clark keeps the issue of Bush's war record in the realm of public debate, where it will remain as long as Clark remains a viable candidate for the Democratic nomination, because they will keep going at him regarding it, I am sure of that. If Clark goes down, the issue most likely will go down with him, because it will then be seen as a big reason why Clark lost support, Kerry's comments made sure of that. On that basis alone I will say, if you are still wavering between candidates to back, and consider Clark among those worthy of your support, he has clearly earned it with this one. If we don't reward him for this stand, who will? This wouldn't be a bad time to donate money to his campaign either.
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:18 PM
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44. i think
i've seen him smoother in Q&A sessions with voters... but he was damned presidential in this setting. I like how he's been a target all week - and he didnt shy away from the sunday talk shows, instead he got out there and defended himself and did so in that calm measured manner that presidents need to demonstrate.
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snyttri Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:05 PM
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52. good post
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:05 PM
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42. A shameless kick because:
It took me most of an hour for me to summarize Clark's appearance on Meet The Press and I at least want some people to read it!
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shivaji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:08 PM
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43. Will Clark quit if he finishes 4th in NH?
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 01:09 PM by shivaji
It is entirely possible that Clark will be beaten by
Kerry, Dean, Edwards in NH. And this is after Clark had
NH all to himself and Joe for weeks.

I am reading news clips where even Lieberman might beat Clark.
That would be the ultimate rejection of Clark.

But look at the positive side, even if Clark quits, he has
done the nation a favor by employing a bevy of campaign staff and
thus reduced the unemployment rate a little.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:18 PM
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45. Hayle no!
Why? Cause everyone says he should? Let's at least have the primaries in the states where he's LEADING.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:19 PM
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46. Nope
Clark has $$ and great organization in the Feb. 3rd states. He's also polling pretty well in those locations.
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Frederic Bastiat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:21 PM
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47. Clark will be in his element in the South and West
But look at the positive side, even if Clark quits, he has
done the nation a favor by employing a bevy of campaign staff and
thus reduced the unemployment rate a little.


Oh and when all is said and done you can subtract one job from your stats - DumbYa's

;)
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:21 PM
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48. Thank you for your positive contribution
It is fitting that you did not post a message that contained little more than mindless snark, and contributed substantially to discussion about Clark's prospects. Instead of indulging in empty negativity, you helped the place out.

Cheers!
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shivaji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:28 PM
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49. Just was trying to inject a bit of reality....no hard feelings, we will
all be united whoever the nominee is.
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:35 PM
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51. Yes, that unemployment line was pure reality
No worthless snideness there.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:32 PM
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50. Thanks for the report Tom
I'm repyling this post so that the little piddle isn't the last thing on the thread. Don'tcha hate it when somebody makes a mess in a nice thread? I missed MTP but intend to tape the repeat when it's on MSNBC.
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53. Notice Clark said he did not expect to win NH?
Anybody else catch that?
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54. Kick
:kick:
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