The deal on filibusters was ...

[Goldeneye]

Poll question: The deal on filibusters was ...

[Inland]

1. Do I need to know what the deal was, before I vote?

Because I can't find it on DU.

[Goldeneye]

5. Three of the judges will get votes

and the democrats promised not to filibuster appelate court judges or supreme court judges, except in extreme cases. The Republicans let us keep the filibuster.

[merwin]

6. I thought I heard 4

[Goldeneye]

9. I thought I heard three,

but I could be wrong.

[merwin]

12. You're right. It's agree to 3 and drop 2

[cry baby]

2. Dobson & Co. will be really mad about this deal.

That makes me happy. I believe we can give up 3 judges to be able to filibuster the others and a possible supreme court judge nominee.

It's a win in my view.

[merwin]

7. Actually, they agreed to not filibuster ANY of these nominees, and

only be able to use the filibuster on 'extreme' supreme court nominees.

[cry baby]

13. That is not right, I don't think.

Reid said he would still be filibustering at least two and maybe three nominees in his press conference. I don't remember the names he mentioned, but he was specific. He will be able to filibuster any except 3 or 4 judge nominees.

[TheFarseer]

14. He can try to filibuster all he wants - he's not part of the deal

6 dems and 6 repubs are going to vote the terms of the deal, which is enough to get the job done. Any other senators can vote any way they want (although, the deal kind of assumes party votes for everyone else) What I don't quite understand is why they agreed to vote in the 3 most controversial judges and shut out the 2 most moderate. That seemed backwards to me.

[merwin]

15. There will be no filibustering yet. Those 12 senators in the comprimise

agreed to confirm 3 and not confirm 2 of them. The 6 republicans in the comprimise are enough to stop the confirmation of those 2 nominations.

[cry baby]

19. I'm confused then, because in the press conf. that Reid was

speaking at, someone asked "will you still filibuster ____?" He said "Yes". Then that same someone asked about another nominee "Will you filibuster _____, too?" Reid said "Yes".

I'm sorry, I don't remember their names.

[cry baby]

20. Saad and Myers are their names. Sorry for the brain fart!

[Rowdyboy]

3. Preacher Dobson and Brother Frist are humiliatred and the filibuster

lives....I can live with that.

[saltpoint]

4. If the far-right abandons Frist, it is going to have to find a way to --

-- go through John McCain.

The Fundies can support Allen or Brownback -- both Himmleresque and unacceptable to most Dems -- but McCain frankly will kick their asses in New Hampshire and probably in Iowa, too.

They are going to have to deal with McCain now and McCain has NEVER liked them. I don't think Jim Dobson can dictate either Allen or Brownback to New Hampshire Republicans.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. I'm going to call it good because

Frist wanted to destroy the filibuster and completely geld the Democrats in order to get extremist wingnut judges appointed without debate. That's what he promised to deliver to the lunatic "Christian" right; but he failed, due in part to members of his own party doing an end-run around him to make a deal. If the Republicans really thought they had the votes to eliminate the filibuster they wouldn't have bothered to negotiate any deal at all, no matter how unsatisfactory the deal may seem to us. Taking the long view, I think it's a win for us -- if for no other reason than that it's a partial loss for Frist, and a blow to his presidential aspirations. He'll have a lot of 'splainin' to do to Falwell and Dobson.

[Ksec]

10. we won. without a doubt.

[madrchsod]

not everything is as it seems

the democrats forced a stalemate, the republicans had to accept "the deal". those judges may be revolting but they will be isolated from the others in their court because of their extreme views and incompetence.these judges can be worked around but the supreme court judges can not be.

[POAS]

11. What deal???????????

No details to make a decision good or bad.

Waiting to see the details.

[Ksec]

16. They get the up and down but they dont have the votes

They need the two thirds and they dont have it. Am I wrong?

[POAS]

24. Nope, don't need 2/3's now

Only 51 votes, the famous "up or down" option.

60 votes would have been needed for "cloture" to end a filibuster and bring about the "up or down" vote unless Frist got the rules changed through the "nucular option".

[Ksec]

26. Thanks. I wasnt sure

They may not get their 51 votes .

[Massacure]

29. Closure is 60, not 66. And the precedent for 51 was not set.

Frist lost for trying to make it 51.

What happens after these eight judges is anyones guess. Extreme is in the eye of the beholder.

[WLKjr]

17. looks to me that a majority think it was a good thing

we got the filibuster, we won.

[MiniMe]

18. We didn't get it back for good necessarily.......

Frist said that he still considered the "constitutional" option as an option if the dems "abused" the fillibuster. Of course, if those 6 Senators are part of the deal, he won't have the 50 votes he needs to change the rules. (I say 50 because you only need 50 to force a tie and we know how Cheney will vote).

[housewolf]

21. VERY Good, I'd say... n/t

[Rowdyboy]

22. Interesting.....Freeps are imploding because they lost.....99% negative

And only 2/3 of us realize it when we win one...

[Chemical Bill]

23. The Dems caved...

What happened to Kennedy's recitation on why the nukular (sorry, I hear * when I hear that word) option was illegal? Nobody heard it? Or nobody believed that it could pass a legal challange?

Bill

[Hippo_Tron]

30. The moderates "caved" Reid had no choice

What did he stand to gain by complaining about the deal. The nominees would've been brought to cloture anyway and he would've looked just as ridiculous as frist.

[Geek_Girl]

25. The Deal is Good

But a Showdown would've been better.

[Hippo_Tron]

31. EXACTLY!

Sure, a showdown would've been nice, because Frist and the GOP would've looked absolutely ridiculous. But Reid did the right thing by endorsing the deal. If he had opposed the deal, we would've looked just as dumb as Frist does right now. It wasn't as great of a victory as if the GOP had used the nuclear option, but we still won.

[leftofthedial]

27. possibly slightly good in the long run

but the Dems should not have given an inch. The repukes were 100% in the wrong.

[rocktivity]

28. Good. Not great, but good.

This weakens Frist, the other extreme rightists, and the corporate media considerably. And it puts "extreme circumstances" in the eyes of the Dem beholder.

:headbang:
rocknation

[demwing]

32. Anything that directly contradicts Rush Limbaugh

is good

S'GOOD!