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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:59 PM
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Dean Says the Unthinkable - Toss Greenspan
Democratic Hopeful Dean Calls for Greenspan Ouster

LONDONDERRY, N.H. (Reuters) - Democratic presidential contender Howard Dean (news - web sites) said on Friday U.S. Federal Reserve (news - web sites) chairman Alan Greenspan (news - web sites) had become too political and should be replaced, broaching a subject on which his opponents have been largely silent.

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"If he lacks the political courage to criticize the (budget) deficits, if he was foolish enough -- and he's not a foolish man -- to support the outrageous tax cuts that George Bush put through, then he has become too political and we need a new chairman of the Federal Reserve," he added.


Cahones

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040123/ts_nm/campaign_dean_greenspan_dc_3
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:00 PM
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1. Cajones GRANDES...
Damn.

Later.

RJS
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:02 PM
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5. Cajones GRANDES! New at Taco Bell
Hey, it would be an improvement in meat quality.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:01 PM
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2. Greenspan is helping Bush try to buy the election
by printing money full speed.

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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:06 PM
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7. He has been bowing to the *bush regime
since 2001.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:30 PM
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20. nah, Greenspan is just terrified
that the whole house of cards is going to collapse on his watch, forever destroying his reputation. Bush I *did* blame him for his defeat though.

The Fed has lost the ability to control the money supply due to our very developed capital markets. The Fed's "control" is now just PR performances and smoke and mirrors. That's why when he raises and lower rates, the economy hasn't responded the way they expected. Greenspan's a long time monetarist from the Volker school, but even he won't actually put those (long discredited) theories into practice - he may be an idealogue, but he's more interested in saving his ass.

Don't forget that Greenspan is a hard core Ayn Rand cultist - one of her personal students. A truly odious man.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:01 PM
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3. Call me biased, but Howard's right again.
Greenspan knows Bush's economic policies are bullshit and are destroying the country, but he hasn't done much to resist them.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:14 PM
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15. I'm biased too - and I STILL think Dean's right!
See the avatar? I'm a Clark supporter, all the way, baby. But Dean's nailed this. Kudos, and all that good stuff, to your candidate.

(of course, I like Clark best!)
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:01 PM
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4. Hey, if the Emperor is really naked...
...how hard is it to figure out that the Emperor's tailor is a scam artist?

then he has become too political and we need a new chairman of the Federal Reserve," he added.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:03 PM
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6. He's back on the offensive,
hitting the Republicans back.

I think this is a great strategy for Dean: keep criticizing Bush in different ways that lead back to a central theme- like the Republicans horrible handling of the economy and the federal budget- so that he can keep grabbing headlines, and keep the Republicans on their heels.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:06 PM
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8. I recall how he raised interest rates in the last few months of Clinton..
Administration. Then when the economy started to decline..surprise! Surprise! Bush came into the White House and he started cutting interest rates about once a month for a year to stimulate the economy.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:06 PM
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9. Good for Dean
and he is right on the money.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:08 PM
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10. Shriek, he can't really say that out loud, can he?
Good for him.

For Greenspan to sit quietly with the tax cuts and gargantuan deficits piling up is irresponsible.

Besides which fact, old Greenspan doesn't have much life left in him anyway.

I nominate Rubin, Clinton's Secty Treas.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:14 PM
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16. I second your nomination
Rubin would be a world class choice. I just hope that a democratic president gets to make such a choice.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:10 PM
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11. Kudos to Dean
Greenspan is a traitor of the worst kind--manipulating the economy for partisan purposes.
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Loren645 Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:10 PM
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12. Greenspan has been propping up the Bush regime by keeping
the economy afloat. That's his job to a point, but it's
very artificial at a point. He's lately seeming like a lackey.
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Edge Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:11 PM
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13. Go Dean!
Get rid of the Bush-loving fossil!
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:13 PM
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14. I think the O'Neill book made it very clear
that the reservations that Greenspan had on Bushco's tax cuts were not expressed publicly, and thus he should not be trusted as chair of the fed. Sometimes you have to speak truth to power. Bravo Dean.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:22 PM
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17. You have very large testicles, Dr. Dean
Good luck with this one!
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WildForKerry Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:24 PM
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18. That is a very sexist comment
n/t
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:26 PM
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19. What are you talking about?
Is the T word "sexist"?

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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:46 PM
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24. it's sexist to equate courage with male body parts
implying that women can't also be courageous or that masculinity makes one courageous.

Why not say Dean has guts, Dean has backbone, Dean has courage, Dean is heroic, etc.?
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:53 PM
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27. It does no such thing.
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 02:54 PM by ezmojason
I would have selected any of the other descriptions
you suggest but Dean's courage when described using
the T word does nothing to imply lack of courage in
anyone else male or female.

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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:54 PM
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29. If Dean was a woman I would say she has big ovaries
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 02:55 PM by WhoCountsTheVotes
would that be acceptable to you?

On edit: This from WildForKerry, the guy who claimed Clark was anti-semetic. You surely made good use of your 13th post, huh?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:58 PM
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30. It's not sexist. It's convention.
It doesn't imply anything. The terms "cajones" or "balls" or "testicles" take on a totally different meaning when used in this context. They don't slight women in any way. It's not derogatory.

You guys know that we're in the middle of the presidential election campaign, right?
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:40 PM
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21. What other Sharpton proposals will Dean be adopting?
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:42 PM
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22. ha ha, good point!
:)
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:45 PM
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23. I was just thinking the same thing
Apparently, Sharpton's answer last night was not as clueless as some would have us believe.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:48 PM
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25. And last night was not the 1st time Sharpton has said it

I guess the other times, only Dean was listening :D
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:49 PM
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26. It's clearly time.
Greenspan should have had the guts to resign in protest of Bush's ridiculous tax cuts. He's too attached to the job to stand up for what is right. He needs to go.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:53 PM
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28. Let's see if Kerry & Edwards follow suit.
After all, they and their supporters are calling for "unity".
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:06 PM
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31. BTW - it's "cojones" not "cahones" or "cajones"
Something Dean has an abundance of. Just for your future reference. Other than that minor quibble, I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:09 PM
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32. CNN saying something about Dean's statement affecting the market...
because the market doesn't like to see friction between Federal Reserve chairman and a potential President. Very interesting! Of course, Dean is right about Greenspan's not speaking out on the tax cuts and the deficit.

I'm a Clark supporter, but, man-oh-man, I love Dean's chutzpah --
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anti-NAFTA Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-04 01:17 PM
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33. Correct me if I'm wrong, but
I recall a televised Greenspan meeting in which Greenspan criticized the budget deficit. He has supported tax cuts, it's true, but tax cuts are supposed to stimulate investment spending. It isn't an entirely unsound policy. I don't think he expected Bush to take the tax cuts and the spending to such absurd extremes though.

Greenspan did great things for America under Clinton, so I will reserve my criticism of him.
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