It's over for Clark.....

[dennis4868]

I am a clark fan. I think he is great and would make a GREAT president. I plan to vote for him in the primaries. But I think the media saw him as a threat to Bush and has made him out to look like a crazy idiot (all you had to do was watch Tweety tonight). First it was Dean and now it is Clark that the media is going after, next it will be Kerry...They are all being GORED.

I am proud of General Clark. It took guts to make a run for President without any political experience. But he will now be killed in the media for not saying that Moore was wrong for calling Bush a Deserter (even though if you take a look at the facts Bush was a Deserter). I have a bad feeling that tomorrow Clark will come out and say that he was wrong last night and should have distanced himself from Moore statement about Bush and his military record. I hope I am wrong and tomorrow Clark comes out and shows all the reporters the Boston Globe investigation they did back in 2000. If the media was objective and looked into Bush history in the national gaurd they would know the truth. But they dont care....now if it is Clinton and his military record, that is a whole other story.

[MIMStigator]

1. He won't back down.

He'll probably say something about the papers that reported on AWOL like somebody here said he should have said. He won't say AWOL wasn't AWOL.

[DS1]

2. Right, because Tweety, with his .1 share, has the final word

[KissMyAsscroft]

3. By your standards any Dem is unelectable...

I think this defeatist attitude is pointless and getting us nowhere.

We all have a favorite, campaign your ass off, and vote ABB. That's all any of us can do.

[dennis4868]

7. I see your point but...

it seems like anytime a dem candidate gains steam and looks like he can beat Bush the media knocks him down right away....at least with Gore they waited till the general election. Sorry but I am damn mad how Clark was treated tonight by the panel....he never got an opportunity to explain his ideas for the country.....they seem to always put him on the defensive with ttheir questions.

[Meshuga]

4. It was a lose lose situation they put Clark in...

Don't worry. this is not going to be a big Deal. At least this brings up the issue that Bush is a true deserter...

[madaboutharry]

5. No, I think Clark is going to hang tough

and make everyone look at Bush's military record. In fact, the media whores may decide to let this go because it will put attention on the issue and the facts hurt Bush.

[tishaLA]

6. I, for one, am not backing down

If we let the truth undermine Clark's political career, what does that say about us? I am not going to be that much of a chickenshit.

[Skwmom]

8. Hogwash. e/o/m

[Kahuna]

34. Amen... Nice try though.

nt

[David Zephyr]

9. Then Stand With Him.

It's not over for Clark. Come on, Dennis! Look at how we Dean supporters have rallied to him. Do no less for your man.

Go give them hell.

[Joe the Revelator]

14. These are the kind of posts that DU needs....

We're all going to start getting gored as the race tightens. We need to stick together and support our seperate campaigns and not let faux news or peter jennings or anyone else win this for bush.

[NoPasaran]

19. Yeah, rally 'round your man!

He got hit with a lot of tough questions and frankly his performance could have been better. But it's not the end of the world.

[gulliver]

10. If only the media would "bash" Clark on this for a few days.

Clark would be the front runner in short order.

[JailForBush]

11. Am I missing something?

It sounds like you're referring to a televised event, and I don't watch TV, so I'm in the dark. But are you saying that someone asked Clark a question about Michael Moore, and you're faulting him for not criticizing Moore for calling Bush a deserter?

If so, I can't even begin to fathom your logic. If Clark stood on his tiptoes and called Bush a deserter, I'd give him a big brownie point. Faulting him for NOT criticizing someone else who spoke the truth is in comprehensible.

And I'm NOT a Clark fan. I don't trust the guy. But if the candidates' own fans don't support the truth, why the Hell should the candidates?

[dennis4868]

17. No No....

I am saying that the media is taking Clark apart just like they did too Dean because they started to feel like they were threats. And now the media will jump all over Clark for not shooting down Moore for his statement (even though it is true). I am simpluy worried that Clark will bend under pressure (just like the other dems) and come out and say that he should have come down harder on Moore. And I feel like the media will next attack Kerry and his character because he is now the threat.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

12. Naah...it ain't over for any of them

and it got Bush's Awol record on national news...Clark looked classy not attacking or taking a cheap shot and it is now a question in the minds of some of the public.

Holy shit...NH and Iowa are TWO primaries.

Everybody stop crying til Super Tuesday...when the states where PEOPLE actually live in large quantities vote.

[LuminousX]

13. Lessons need to be learned

Saying 'it is over' for any of these guys is bound to come back and bite you in the ass. Do you know when it is over for them? When they quit or when someone else wins. Not a second before.

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Not even close to being over.

The fight has just begun! NH voters are very intelligent and can see through all the crap and RW rhetoric. Keep the faith in the General...he ain't goin' anywhere!

Go, Wes!

[Maddy McCall]

16. Hahahahahaha! He hasn't even campaigned in his own playground

The SOUTH. No way this is over for him.

[sandnsea]

18. It's just one bad day

There are going to be so many more. Clark handled this fine. Michael Moore has a right to express his opinions. That's what Clark said. This will be gone before you know it. Lots more minefields ahead. Just gotta' be tough and walk right through them and hope you don't blow yourself up!

[mikehiggins]

20. Politically it was a smart move

Clark had to participate in this debate so FAUX knew he'd be in the spotlight. As soon as I heard Moore talking I knew Clark would get caught up in the backlash. So when it came I wasn't surprised.

I was surprised at how Clark handled it. He didn't seem fazed or taken off guard. It seemed like he knew it was coming and was just waiting for the pitch. His answer was clear.

-->Moore can say whatever he likes

-->I have heard these charges from other people

-->I haven't looked into it myself so I can't speak to it.

Pretty good. Instead of giving them a clear shot--Clark calls Bush a deserter--he left it with Mike Moore. The worst the FAUX whores could do is "Clark is bad because he didn't defend Bush." Awfully whiny even for them.

I don't think we have to worry about Clark and it seems pretty clear that he's the guy they MOST don't want carrying the Dem Banner this summer.

[dennis4868]

23. I disagree....

the mainstreem media will play this as some crazy conspiracy theory and say that Clark is crazy......much the same way they said that Dean was crazy all week this week. Next it will be Kerry....Tweety has already jumped on this and is making some crazy faces whenever Clark is mentioned.....

[Seldona]

26. How?

He failed to give them their sound bite.

He handled it exceptionally well, and this can backfire in so many ways on the Repukes.

One, it keeps the AWOL issue out there.

Two, it cannot be attributed as an attack by Clark. Hell, they brought it up!

And three, Clark left it open ended. The issue is still in play.

Given that it is true, this was incredibly stupid on Faux's part.

Win/win in my mind.

[dennis4868]

28. you see....

you are analyzing this intellectually and objectively. That is not what we are dealing with when it comes to the corporate "liberal" news media. They will try to find any little remark by a candidate that they feel can threaten Bush and twist around the words, make assumptions and attack the man as a crazy idiot.

[Seldona]

30. I agree with that.

Doesn't mean it is going to work.

And it won't imho.

It may in fact do the opposite.

[mikehiggins]

29. I understand that Dennis

but it isn't going to hurt.

Watch on Tuesday.

More harmful is that two of the campaigns are chiming in on the FAUX side. Some people never learn.

[Old and In the Way]

35. Well, 1st you have to prove it's not true.....and it is no conspiracy

theory. The public information that's been released show's it is Bush that needs to explain where he was, when guys like Kerry and Clark were fighting for this country.

This cuts right to the heart of issue: character. Bush has lied about his past, he lied about WMD....do we really want a liar, a cheat, and a deserter controlling the fate/future of this country? We've seen what he's capable of doing in 3 years...are we gluttons for punishment?

[Woodstock]

21. HOLD FIRM CLARK! You are right, but don't abandon Clark

They are playing DIRTY DIRTY DIRTY. We have GOT to stick together.

[snyttri]

22. The NY Times and WaPost stories I have read don't even mention it.

Even some media whores might think Faux has sunk too low with the guilt by association smear. Some reporters might still believe in freedom of speech and appreciate that Clark didn't cut Moore when it might have been politically expedient to do so.

[Ramsey]

24. He should make a stronger statement

He should have known about the data and emphatically stated that Bush did not fulfill his military requirements. That would have been a bold statement. He waffled, straddled the fence.

Next time, he won't get away with saying he doesn't know about it.

[dennis4868]

25. I agree....

he could have easily told the panel...i ask that you take a look at the Boston Globe's investigation back in 2000 and then we can have a more detailed talk about this in our next debate.

[arewethereyet]

27. woulda coulda shoulda

yes, he should have known.
yes, he should have never allowed Michael Moore's comments to get asked of him to explain on nationwide live TV.
yes, he should have known that Moore would create uncomfortable situations for him.

and he missed them all and further demonstrates why he cannot be allowed to be nominated for leader of the free world, he does not understand this job. smart as he is he does not understand THIS job.

[Kahuna]

If you feel that strongly about it, get Dean to say it.

I doubt you would do that though.

[jpgpenn]

31. your proud?

What the hell do you care what the Boston Globe thinks? If you had some back bone you would instead let those around yopu know what they are up to instaed of crying help. Move on strong support only needed here.

[Kahuna]

32. Puleeze. You don't know Clark very well. He will say..

He doesn't really care whether bush deserted or not. And that Moore has a right to say whatever he wants. Same thing he said tonight he will say tomorrow. Fear not.

Clark is not going to get into a pissing match over bush's military record. He'll probably say that he put his military records on his campaign website for the world to view and that if bush wants to put this rumor to rest he can do the same thing.

[poopyjr]

33. It's so over that he's 2nd in NH.

I agree he needs to polish himself up a bit for these debates, but come on...

[KaraokeKarlton]

36. Hang in there and see what happens

If Clark can't overcome such a small speed bump as this then he shouldn't be the nominee because the general election is going to be much, much more fierce. And honestly, this is nothing compared to the things Dean has had to contend with.