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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:55 PM
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Orwell's dystopia in '1984' coming true?
Back when I was in middle school reading "1984," I remember having the smug feeling (which I'm sure a lot of us had), after finishing that disturbing book, that "it couldn't happen here." Orwell was talking about totalitarian, dictatorial regimes and-- well, since the USA was the world's perfect democracy, we'd never become like Oceania, ruled by the Party, with free thought and criticism labeled as Treasonous to the Ruling Order. But there are some aspects of the country now that eerily seem reminiscent of 1984. We're not there yet, but another terrorist attack...

One is the strident, stentorian, almost implacable hatred of people who voice dissent, especially in regard to the Iraq War. Not just on FoxNews but even in supposedly "respectable" publications like The New Republic, you have writers virulently castigating critics of the foreign policy of Bush and Rice. Antiwar voices are branded as traitors, with many openly calling for them to be locked up or shot. Hyperbole? Probably, but when something is repeated often enough it pushes people closer in the direction of accepting something like that.

And then there's the way so many parts of the MSM so slavishly fall in line to tell the Dubya line, and refuse to even discuss counterexamples or look at them critically. The movements in the Middle East are chirpily declared as "vindication" for the neocon strategy of invading every country we don't like-- nevermind that Iraq is still a clusterfsck of a violent mess, that the rise of Abbas in Palestine was due more to Arafat's death than anything else, that the whole "Cedar Revolution" in Lebanon was vastly overblown (much larger pro-Syrian protests took place after the "Gucci protesters", as some derisively referred to them, had taken to the streets), and that Egypt and Saudi Arabia have barely taken baby steps to open up their systems. Nope-- groupthink in the media says that all these things justify the neocon philosophy, so it's on to another great democratizing war against those meanies in Syria and Iran.

Then there's the way torture is becoming so acceptable, the way the often deliberate slaughter-- oh, sorry, "Collateral Damage"-- of innocent Arabs in a country we invaded is dismissed or even lauded as part and parcel of the job of killing terrorists, the way France is showered with unprecedented hatred for talking common sense to us, the general anti-intellectual and "bread and circuses" tenor of the current media, the way obvious FUBAR's by the Bushies are turned into seeming successes (MASSIVE CURRENCY-KILLING DEFICITS ARE GOOD! BLOODY BAGHDAD IS FREE!).

I don't think we're there yet, but if there's another domestic terrorist attack, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bushies and corporate media make further intrusions on good sense, spout even more Orwellian nonsense, and see people willingly give up their rights. And like the Proles in "1984" (or the downtrodden worker bees being served up TV screen propaganda in Half-Life 2, for those into the HL series), those who question the established order and Groupthink will be increasingly shunned and punished.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 01:57 PM
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1. yes
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:04 PM
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2. i've been re-reading it online
and find parts of it very applicable to today's U.S. ... the 'memory hole', doublespeak, rewriting history, the furtiveness of those who oppose the rulers... the tv screens.

have you visited a Macy's store lately? In mine, there are tv panels set up in the women's waiting area. They are to be tuned to ONLY two channels, one of which was FOX during the runup to the war. FOX was blaring from these panels and NO ONE was allowed to touch the controls. The other day, they were playing Bush's propaganda video on Social Security.

needless to say, i left the store, cut up my card and sent it and a nasty letter to the store mgr and president. i don't need macy's crap and i will boycott them forever.

Other excellent reads: Ursula Hegi's "Stones From the River" , and John Perkins' " Confessions of an Economic Hit Man ".

If you buy them, Barnes and Noble is a BLUE company.

Peace.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:11 PM
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4. I find "The Department of Justice" sounding more and more...
...Orwelian, every time I hear it said.:cry:

Question: Is it possible that, one of the big differences between * supporters and Non-* supporters, is if a person read and/or understood 1984?:shrug:
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LiberalCompassionate Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:47 PM
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5. answer
yes.

Chimpy supporters generally follow chimp's lead and don't read; they just watch faux propaganda. (I don't call it "fox news" since it insults foxes and is definitely not news).

During the 2000 campaign debates, when little boots was "debating" against Gore, He raised goose bumps - my mind flasbacked to Orwell's "1984"; dunno, subconscious response. So, I reread it.
:scared: Then I started telling everyone I knew if they read it. If not, I tried to persuade people to read it. Still do.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 04:25 PM
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8. my freeper husband says he read it
'but it's FICtion'.

:shrug:
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 02:56 AM
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12. Sounds like he falls in the "Didn't understand it" category
Has he read Orwell's "Animal Farm" too?

For anyone who hasn't, it an Orwellian look at Communism.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:34 PM
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16. Oh shit another one! I don't shop alot, but Macy's used to be one of my
favs...put it along side Walmart! Outta here!
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:06 PM
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3. Sounds like someone need a visit from the Thought Police
War is Peace, Love is Hate, and 2+2=5

Of course you're right to think this, that is why most of us are here, to make sure it's not just "Me" who thinks what's happening is crazy.

:pals:
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Meeker Morgan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 02:57 PM
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6. No, It's a different dystopia altogether.
More like The Iron Heel by Jack London. See if you can't hunt up a copy.

Not too late to reverse the trend I say!
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passy Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 03:46 PM
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7. Ignorance is truth.
Now that really applies to * and his inability to understand reality.
The idea of the state being in a perpetual war is also interesting since the war on terrorism is one that may never be won.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 04:26 PM
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9.  remember Perle's mantra....
"perpetual war for perpetual peace"
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 03:03 AM
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13. Did you hear CONdi's comment, a few day's ago when she...
...refured to the future as a "Brave New World"? That's scary, her using words like that.:scared:
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oecher3 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 05:05 PM
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10. not to mention the news ancors being government controlled unfiltered
propaganda officers. I have to go back and read it again!
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 05:44 PM
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11. Crawford Uber Alles
Why do stop short of we're already there? Is it possible you don't acknowledge it because you expect it to LOOK a certain way? Or that your previous assumption colors how you perceive the world around you?

---"Back when I was in middle school reading "1984," I remember having the smug feeling (which I'm sure a lot of us had), after finishing that disturbing book, that "it couldn't happen here." "

I'm wonderin, not criticizing. I wonder how much worse things have to get, or what would be that final step, that would push your (and the other smart, observant folks like you) perception over the tipping point.

You are an excellent thinker/writer (evidently). Your own words reveal what you aleady know, despite beginning with the disclaimer:

---"I don't think we're there yet, but if there's another domestic terrorist attack, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bushies and corporate media make further intrusions on good sense, spout even more Orwellian nonsense, and see people willingly give up their rights. And like the Proles in "1984" (or the downtrodden worker bees being served up TV screen propaganda in Half-Life 2, for those into the HL series), those who question the established order and Groupthink will be increasingly shunned and punished."

Like this hasn't already happened? All that's missing is the "Two Minutes Hate." Thank god people have cell phones and "Fear Factor."

It's "1984" with a :)


"California Uber Alles"

I am governor Jerry Brown
My aura smiles and never frowns
Soon I will be president
Carter power will soon go away
I will be Fuhrer one day
I will command all of you
Your kids will meditate in school
Your kids will meditate in school
California Uber alles
California Uber alles
Uber alles California
Uber alles California

Zen fascists will control you
Hundred percent natural
You will jog for the master race
And alway wear the happy face
Close your eyes, can't happen here
Big bro' on white horse is near
The hippies won't come back you say
Mellow out or you will pay
Mellow out or you will pay

California Uber alles
California Uber alles
Uber alles California
Uber alles California

Now it is 1984
Knock knock at your front door
It's the suede denim secret police
They have come for your uncool niece
Come quietly to the camp
You'd look nice as a drawstring lamp
Don't you worry it's only a shower
For your clothes here's a pretty flower
Die on organic poison gas
Serpents eggs already hatched
You will croak you little clown
When you mess with president Brown
When you mess with president Brown

California Uber alles
California Uber alles
Uber alles California
Uber alles California




Jello Biafra. Dead Kennedys
 

 


 
   
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passy Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 03:37 AM
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14. Jello and Orwell what a great mix.
Two of the greatest thinkers of the 20th century.
NO one has mentioned the quote "freedom is slavery".
You are free to buy a big house and two cars as long as you have 3 jobs to pay them back.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:28 PM
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15. It describes warm and fuzzy fascism aptly
Jello never thot "it can't happen here."
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