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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 10:49 AM
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Sen. Byrd RE: Gonzales' memo"If the prseident veiws a law unconstitutional
Edited on Thu Feb-03-05 11:18 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
he may disregard that law"


Respecting the Spirit and Letter of the Law On the Nomination of Alberto Gonzales to be Attorney General of the United States
by U.S. Senator Robert C. Byrd
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0202-32.htm

<snip>

I note in passing that the “torture” memo was written in 2002 by then-Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee, who is now a federal judge on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. God help the Ninth Circuit. I would like the record to reflect that 18 other Senators and I voted to reject the nomination of Jay Bybee to be a federal judge, a decision I, for one, do not regret.

The Bybee memo drew universal condemnation and scorn for at least two of the legal opinions that were included in its text. First, it described torture as being prohibited under U.S. law in only very circumscribed circumstances. It defined torture so narrowly that horrific harm could be inflicted against another human being in the course of an interrogation overseas and not be prohibited. According to the memo, unless such acts resulted in organ failure, the impairment of a bodily function, or death, they could be considered legal. In fact, the first page of the memorandum states, “We conclude that the statute , taken as a whole, makes plain that it prohibits only extreme acts. . . This confirms our view that the criminal statute penalizes only the most egregious conduct.”

The second but equally shocking and erroneous legal conclusion reached in the so-called “torture” memorandum states, “We find that in the circumstances of the current war against al Queda and its allies, prosecution under Section 2340A <– the relevant provision of U.S. law prohibiting torture –> may be barred because enforcement of the statute would represent an unconstitutional infringement of the President’s authority to conduct war” as the Commander-in-Chief. This means the White House believed that a President can simply “override” the U.S. law prohibiting torture, just because he disagrees with it. He can ignore the law by proclaiming, in his own mind, that the law is unconstitutional. Not because a court of the United States has found the law to be unconstitutional, but because a war-time President decides he simply does not want to be bound by it.

What an astounding assertion! Think of it! A President placing himself above the law, in effect, crowning himself King.

This outrageously broad interpretation of Executive Authority is so antithetical to the carefully calibrated system of checks and balances conceived by the Founding Fathers, it seems inconceivable that it could be seriously contemplated by any so-called legal expert, much less attorneys of the U.S. Justice Department or the White House Counsel.

Has this White House no appreciation for the struggle that this nation endured upon its creation? Can it really believe that a President can circumvent the will of the people and their Legislature by adopting and disseminating a legal interpretation that would, in the end, protect from prosecution those who commit torture in violation of U.S. law?

Alexander Hamilton in Federalist No. 69 described in detail exactly how the American system can and must be distinguished from the British monarchy. He wrote:


there is no comparison between the intended power of the President and the actual power of the British sovereign. The one can perform alone, what the other can only do with the concurrence of a branch of the Legislature.
No one man, no President, not his White House Counsel, nor all of the attorneys in the Office of the Legal Counsel in the Justice Department can, on their own, act in contravention of a law passed by Congress.

No President can nullify or countermand a U.S. law to shield from prosecution those who would commit, or attempt to commit, torture. But that was the result sought by the White House.

When asked by Senator Durbin if he still believes that the President has the authority as Commander-in-Chief to ignore a law passed by Congress -- to decide on his own whether it is unconstitutional or to simply refuse to comply with it -- Judge Gonzales stated that yes, he believes it is theoretically possible for the Congress to pass a law that would be viewed as unconstitutional by a President, and, therefore be ignored.

And even though the torture memo was replaced by a new memorandum on December 30, the replacement memorandum does not reject the earlier document’s shockingly overly expansive interpretation of the President’s Commander-in-Chief power. Instead, the new memo states that, because that portion of the discussion in the earlier memo was “unnecessary,” it has been “eliminated” from the new analysis.

Particularly disturbing is the fact that, although the new analysis repudiates the earlier memo’s conclusion that all but extreme acts of torture are permissible, Judge Gonzales could not tell us whether this repudiation of prior policy has been communicated to those who are today doing the interrogating.


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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 10:51 AM
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1. God I love that man, Byrd. (nt)
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 11:00 AM
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2. he deserved that FDR "Four Freedoms Award" he recieved in 2003!!!
Edited on Thu Feb-03-05 11:03 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
Byrd recieved the "Freedom from Fear" award for his filibuster speech on senate floor oppsosing NOT giving bush* the authority to invade Iraq...Byrd was the only Dem to vote against it!

GOD, I LOVE THAT MAN TOO!!!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 11:04 AM
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3. I love listening to him speak...
he always gives a lesson on the Constitution while scorching those who are violating it. He is a very impressive man and very much the elder statesman of the Senate.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 11:06 AM
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4. everyone set your watches! The Byrd's-a-KKKer crew will be here soon. nt
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 11:06 AM
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5. guess the oath to uphold the Constitution
swearing on the (Bush family) bible and all..

doesn't count either
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:31 PM
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10. ya have to believe in the Bible in order to honestly take an oath on one
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:30 PM
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12. good point


then again one might wonder what is really in that book?:scared:

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 11:08 AM
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6. I wonder how this could apply to Presidential Papers Act.
No one man, no President, not his White House Counsel, nor all of the attorneys in the Office of the Legal Counsel in the Justice Department can, on their own, act in contravention of a law passed by Congress.

No President can nullify or countermand a U.S. law to shield from prosecution those who would commit,


Congress enacted a Law that stated Presidential Papers must be released to the Public no later than twelve years after the fact. Bush* just disregarded that Law because of all the crimes done under Bush 1 and Reagan and those Criminals are now working in this Administration. It has been more than twelve years since Reagan and Bush 1 were finished with their term as President. :shrug: Still no Papers released and No Democrat making any sort of fuss about it
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 11:12 AM
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7. His oratory would have convince many of the most hardened years ago,
before the lobbyists and Relgious Right took over the House and Senate.

Instead Robert Byrd speaks to the consciences of those who long ago abandoned any moral center for power and the money that follows it.

I don't know how some of those folks can live with themselves. But, assume that Byrd speaks to only partially filled Senate when he speaks. Often he's spoken with almost no one in the room

That's what so terrible about our current political system. Few people of "honor" and that word sounds sooooo old fashioned. You never hear it anymore, except when Senator Byrd speaks you know that's what he's talking about. Honor for our Constitution and Bill of Rights and those who fought for our rights down through the past two centuries.
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 11:31 AM
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8. Listening to Byrd speak on Bush & Company is like music to my ears...
Over the last few years I have gained much respect for Byrd, even through I disagree with him on some things, and I do frown upon his past, yet I feel that for the most part the man has changed, and he is to be respected because he is one of the few Democrats who actually is standing up to Bush and Company, which needs to be done more often by all Democrats.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 11:46 AM
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9. The MOST shocking statement by Gonzales during his hearing,...
,...was his suggestion that the pResident could basically do what he pleased without regard to the law.

It was a stunning suggestion and a clear indication of an attitude that some forms of tyranny/dictatorship are okay if in the hands of the neoCONspirators.

Sickening. :puke:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:48 PM
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11. not for me but for Sen. Byrd's words RE: Gonzales memo nominated this

"The Bybee memo drew universal condemnation and scorn for at least two of the legal opinions that were included in its text. First, it described torture as being prohibited under U.S. law in only very circumscribed circumstances. It defined torture so narrowly that horrific harm could be inflicted against another human being in the course of an interrogation overseas and not be prohibited. According to the memo, unless such acts resulted in organ failure, the impairment of a bodily function, or death, they could be considered legal. In fact, the first page of the memorandum states, “We conclude that the statute , taken as a whole, makes plain that it prohibits only extreme acts. . . This confirms our view that the criminal statute penalizes only the most egregious conduct.”

The second but equally shocking and erroneous legal conclusion reached in the so-called “torture” memorandum states, “We find that in the circumstances of the current war against al Queda and its allies, prosecution under Section 2340A <– the relevant provision of U.S. law prohibiting torture –> may be barred because enforcement of the statute would represent an unconstitutional infringement of the President’s authority to conduct war” as the Commander-in-Chief. This means the White House believed that a President can simply “override” the U.S. law prohibiting torture, just because he disagrees with it. He can ignore the law by proclaiming, in his own mind, that the law is unconstitutional. Not because a court of the United States has found the law to be unconstitutional, but because a war-time President decides he simply does not want to be bound by it.

What an astounding assertion! Think of it! A President placing himself above the law, in effect, crowning himself King.

This outrageously broad interpretation of Executive Authority is so antithetical to the carefully calibrated system of checks and balances conceived by the Founding Fathers, it seems inconceivable that it could be seriously contemplated by any so-called legal expert, much less attorneys of the U.S. Justice Department or the White House Counsel.

Has this White House no appreciation for the struggle that this nation endured upon its creation? Can it really believe that a President can circumvent the will of the people and their Legislature by adopting and disseminating a legal interpretation that would, in the end, protect from prosecution those who commit torture in violation of U.S. law?


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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:36 PM
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13. This is even worse than his endorsement of torture
As bad as Gonzales' view on torture, his views on the Constitution should immediately disqualify him. As Attorney General, he is given the responsibility to uphold the laws of this nation, but he has stated that the President can be allowed to disregard those same laws.
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