Where is Dean's rapid response to Clark claim Trippi lied about VP?

[MIMStigator]

Clark has thrown down the gauntlet for Dean to come clean about his offer that his campaign denied. Is Dean going to hide or admit he asked Clark to be VP?

"Joe Trippi may want to check in with his candidate before talking. Howard Dean did in fact offer Wes Clark a place on the ticket in a one-on-one meeting that Trippi did not attend. Joe Trippi shouldn't comment on meetings he wasn't invited to."

http://www.clark04.com/press/release/136/

[wndycty]

1. There is none. . .

. . .what can they say? Unless of course they have the balls to call Clark a liar.

[maddezmom]

2. wonder how long we'll have to wait? n/t

[Closer]

12. Why wait at all?

Just go google or something, maybe you'll hit the jackpot?

[maddezmom]

16. thanks for the insight

[liberalnurse]

18. Excuse me....but

could you minimize that signature?

[Closer]

21. It's not a signature

it's just some pictures I thought I'd share.

But thanks for noticing.

[liberalnurse]

43. I'd put some on but I don't

know how. I have upgraded to XP for that purpose. Still new at it.

[Auntie Bush]

124. I don't know how either

If you find out how...please post it here. Or send me an email if you can.

[Kahuna]

118. Hmm. Nice picture of you on the right, Closer.

nt

[Padraig18]

3. You tell me.

Trippi made his statement earlier, so what's to respond to? :shrug:

[Eric J in MN]

4. Can you tell us the full story? nt

nt

[MIMStigator]

13. Full story is

Clark said Dean offered Clark VP slot, Dean's manager Trippi said it didn't happen implying Clark is a liar.

Clark defended himself and now the ball is in Dean's court to deny that his campaign tried to smear Clark as liar.

[TLM]

92. Dean said months ago that all he did was tell CLark he's on the short list

If Clark thought that meant he was a lock for Dean's VP... well I guess that shows how easily confused someone who has never run a campaign for public office can get when they're in over their head.

Mary help!

[quinnox]

5. lol, good one

I suspect the response won't be so rapid, if it comes at all.

[Padraig18]

8. Nothing to respond to.

Trippi said what he said.

[Name removed]

15. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Padraig18]

19. EXCUSE me???

'Dense'? Nothing I wrote called for that snarky response, quinnox, and I *did* read the post! :grr:

[mikehiggins]

47. Well, golly, P

Clark says Dean invited him onto his ticket.

Trippis says he didn't.

Bennett says Trippi wasn't at the meeting and shouldn't talk about things he isn't privy to.

That seems to sum it all up.

The reality is that Trippi contradicted something Clark said, which will be echoed over and over on the media as "Dean campaign says Clark lied."

Of course, Trippi can claim he has no control over what the media makes of his remark but this is fairly disingenuous, to say the least.

I guess we should feel good that this is happening, however. We'd hate to think the Dean campaign wasn't paying attention to what is going on down here with the groundlings.

[TLM]

97. Sure wouldn't be the first lie Clark has told this campaign...

www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/oct2003/nf2003101_0874_db038.htm

"A Clark campaign spokesman at first told BusinessWeek that the former general had in fact updated his voter registration to reflect his newfound status as a Democrat. But a call to the Pulaski County Voter Registrar indicated otherwise. When asked to explain the discrepancy, campaign consultant Mark Fabiani says Clark hadn't yet had time to register as a Democrat."


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.politicsus.com/front%20page%20archive/091803.html

Clark told CNN's Judy Woodruff earlier this month that he had decided to register as a Democrat. Left unsaid and unknown at this point is exactly when and why he decided to become a Democrat.

[poskonig]

6. I'm not sure why Clark's delicate ego

needs attention from Dean.

[ibegurpard]

9. If this is the Clark campaign's idea of a "gotcha"

then I truly fear for what will happen if he is the nominee. It just makes it look like petty squabbling about bruised egos.

[TLM]

99. All the losing candidates are playing their ploys

to try and get more face time next to the frontrunner.

[MIMStigator]

109. Clark is beating Dean against * in all polls

Clark is the national front runner and Dean is only the democratic front runner.

If Dean wins nomination democrats lose to *

[ResistTheCoup]

7. When I watched Trippi this morning

and at first he stated that he wasn't in the meeting I thought - Okay, he's telling us what he knows.

Then later when Trippi says that Dean NEVER offered Clark a VP slot I thought - what the hell??? Is he attached to Dean by the hip??? How the hell would he know that it had never been offered??

Trippi should check with his boss before issuing blanket statements like that.

[Padraig18]

10. Maybe that's what Howard told him.

I note that Clark's press release doen't come from Clark himself, so why should Dean's?

[ResistTheCoup]

14. You'd think he might want to check with Howard first

Does Trippi read his mind? Is he running the show?

Did you watch the interview?

[Padraig18]

20. I did watch it.

And how do you know he *didn't* check with Howard? It doesn't take a mind-reader to know that this was going to come up... :eyes:

[ResistTheCoup]

96. You watched it - was Howard there?

No. So how could he 'check' with Howard if he wasn't even there?

Speaking of mind-readers, obviously that's what Trippi is to Dean.


:think:

[TLM]

Maybe Trippi was going by what Dean said publicly about this months ago

that all he said was that Clark was on the short list.


And golly don't you think that Dean and his campaign mannager probably talk about things like meetings with other candidates and the short list for the VP slot?

[liberalnurse]

11. I sense it's still on the back-table.....

Clark's run for President only increases his exposure and opportunity to get out messages to the people. I think this has been the plan all along, for Clark to be the VP for Dean.

[ResistTheCoup]

17. Yeah, that's the ticket

Clark is a stalking horse. He's running for President, when in reality he's planning to be Dean's VP. That explains it.

:tinfoilhat:

[liberalnurse]

30. Yes it does.

Just wait and see......This campaign is going to be the Armageddon of American Politics.

[ResistTheCoup]

98. Yes 'what' does?

:shrug:

[TorchTheWitch]

22. what?

That's absurd. Like the Clintons would back a candidate to be the VP of a candidate they can't stand.

pfffffftttttttt

[Demobrat]

36. No. Much better to back a candidate they know will lose

so Hill can run in '08.

[TorchTheWitch]

78. please, i implore you to realize what you just said

If we don't win this election Dems won't be in the White House for God knows how long. Repubs will load the House and Senate with their own, and the Dems will pretty much cease to exist. They'll load up the Supreme Court with the rigid conservatives they've been trying to stuff it with, and there will no longer be a Dem party except pretty much name only. By the time '08 rolls around, this will be a relative dictatorship, which it practically has become already. Good grief, look at how low the Repubs have sunk us in just 3 short years!

Dems are hanging on by the skin of our teeth! The only voice we have now is the fillabuster, and a fat lot of good it's done. Bush wins this election and we're DONE. Hillary doesn't have any desire to run in '08 if SHE CAN'T WIN. Making sure a good Dem gets in office this election means she can skate in no problem as either Pres or VP in '08.

It's also likely that part of the interest Clintons have in backing Clark is if he gets the nomination, he may have her run with him as VP. I've never known anyone who honestly thought that this county could vote in a woman as president without having at least one term of a women in the second chair first.

[PatrioticOhioLiberal]

49. Honest folks

People from Ohio really are more educated than this.

[LoZoccolo]

23. Shmere is Shmean's shmapid reshmonse to Shmark shmaim Shmippi shmied...

You know what? This really doesn't matter much at all.

What does matter is like, peoples' time and aggravation.

I feel like putting my own bat up, and like, the more lame salvos tossed, the closer I get to not voting for anyone on election day.

Does anyone really feel you can taunt someone into voting for one primary candidate over another? Especially when I'm probably never going to even see 95% of you?

[MIMStigator]

24. It's not lame to call liars on lies

Clark is right to defend himself from smear job

[Padraig18]

25. How do you know it's a lie?

Were you there?

[MIMStigator]

26. Because Clark said so

eom

[Padraig18]

31. Oh!

:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

27. Clark took sixteen items through an express lane once.

Where is your rapid response to this?

[MIMStigator]

29. Don't minimize massive Dean campaign smear

eom

[LoZoccolo]

33. It's not massive if there is really no point.

Do you seriously think I'll switch candidates over this?

[MIMStigator]

38. Point is one candidate is lying and one isn't

eom

[LoZoccolo]

39. Sixteen items is greater than twelve by four whole items.

The ball's in your court.

[LoZoccolo]

Seriously though.

I think this is a small misunderstanding either between Clark and Trippi over what was said, or between Dean and Trippi. Whatever.

I will say one thing though - I do like Clark and think he would do a good job as president. But I won't switch candidates over who's got the most annoying army of DU members, and I'd be a little less enthusiastic about getting involved with his campaign if he were to get the nomination if it was done through these means.

[mikehiggins]

54. "Express Line" rules are not legally binding.

As you would know if you ever rolled up to an express line with sixty or seventy items and left them there because the cashier refused to ring you up.

They are a convenience for other shoppers, nothing more.

Dean, on the other hand, has been known to rip labels off of mattresses, secretly, in his bedroom.

[TLM]

104. The point is the newbie candidate with no experience does not understand

the difference between being offered the VP slot and being told he's on the short list.

[bearfartinthewoods]

84. do you seriously think anyone cares?

the people who involve themselves in these threads are commited. it's the people who are just reading for info that are making up their minds who are being impressed for good or ill. i'm sure the supermarket story will impress them on many levels.....

[LoZoccolo]

87. The supermarket story was a complete fabrication.

I thought that everyone here would see that I was being sarcastic.

[mikehiggins]

103. Of course it was sarcasm. So was the reply.

Though I'd like a denial from Dean about the mattress label issue.

[LoZoccolo]

107. He had permission to remove the tag from the mattress.

He brought papers from a doctor stating that he was not allergic to any materials that the mattress was made out of.

[mikehiggins]

119. See? Its easy to clean up all these issues. eom

[RetroLounge]

28. You left out part of the statement.

Little Rock - Clark Campaign Communications Director Matt Bennett issued the following statement in response to Joe Trippi's comments to ABC News:

"Joe Trippi shouldn't comment on meetings he wasn't invited to"

Uhm, was Matt Bennett invited to that meeting too?

'nuff said...

[MIMStigator]

34. Clark already said Dean offered it

Clark was in the one on one meeting and he is the one who said Dean offered. He gave Dean an out to say Trippi didn't know what hes talking about. Now its up to Dean to say whether Trippi lied or call Clark a liar.

[mikehiggins]

32. Jeeze, fellas. So Trippi is supposed to be the Dem's genius wonderkind?

Why does every campaign have to have some electoral wizard who will cloud men's minds and make the world turn to his command.

Trippi is just another political op on a roll right now, just like whoever's doing the same job for Clark, etc. The longer you're in this game the more you see guys like him, or Hamilton Jordan, or Ailes or Haldeman or whoever come and go. They're always the secret ace in the hole that'll make the diffenence.

What they are is generally very lucky and media savvy folks who know how to take credit and avoid blame. Not a Bismark or Machievelli in the lot.

Nobody knows what Clark and Dean said in their meetings. Trippi may be of the opinion that Dean didn't offer the VP spot but the only way he can know is if Dean told him. The only one who can clear this up is Dean himself.

So what does he do now? Does he come out and say he didn't ask Clark to be his VP? Does he undercut his major op by saying he did. Or does he say it's all a misunderstanding; that he can understand how Clark might have interpreted the conversation as constituting an offer, but that it was not his intention to ask him to join the ticket.

How hard is that to explain? Everyone walks away without a scratch because it was just an easy mistake to make, right? No harm, no foul.

Or, Dean denies he made the offer and we're off to the races.

It's up to the Doctor.

What will he do?

What will he do?

[MIMStigator]

35. yeah it's up to Dean now to come clean

eom

[RetroLounge]

50. or what?

You're not gonna vote for him?

You're gonna post more Dean-bash threads?

[MIMStigator]

52. Or we'll know hes hiding something

you would think dean would want to defend himself if Clark is calling him a liar

[ibegurpard]

55. Clark is "calling Dean a liar" because his campaign manager

said he didn't offer Clark the VP slot? Can you take off your Clark supporter glasses long enough to see how petty that sounds? On second thought, please don't. I like this line of attack.

[MIMStigator]

56. doesn't the buck stop with Dean?

Clark gave Dean chance to say Trippi didn't know what he's talking about but so far Dean has let the lie hang out there

[Scott Lee]

114. So clark accuses Dean of lying and it's DEAN's responsibility to prove it?

Thank the Gods you're not in the justice system (I hope).

[mikehiggins]

120. Never mind

He's too busy kicking Tom Delay's butt.

[mikehiggins]

62. Did you see anything that said Clark was calling Dean a liar?

I didn't. I did see Dean's wonderboy being called on an unnecessary comment regarding the topics discussed at meetings he wasn't present at. Dean can clear the question up, of course, but it wasn't Dean who made the comment and it wasn't Dean who was called on it.

You guys are getting real good at implying things.

[ibegurpard]

66. You may want to coordinate your talking points with

MIMstigator who was just making that very assumption downthread.

[mikehiggins]

75. Is all the Dean commentary coordinated like that?

Talking points?

Memos of the day?

I haven't encountered that with the Clark campaign. Maybe we could learn a few things from you guys.

However, I still haven't seen anything where Wes Clark is accusing Howard Dean of lying.

[mzmolly]

37. Dean rapidly responded in September when the question arose initially

I would ask what took the Clark campaign so long to comment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=319193

[Demobrat]

48. Dean has said all along that

it would be arrogant and premature to even think about a VP. I'm sure he would say the same today.

[gully]

Exactly, If Clark doesn't retract this statement, I question his

credibility.

[mikehiggins]

65. Thank you. That is the point.

That is why this is a problem, and not a mild spat between advisors.

If Dean lets this stand, it will be considered an open attack on Clark's credibility by the Dean campaign. That will not be of any benefit to anyone.

[MIMStigator]

68. Yes, we need Dean to come out and tell us whether Clark or Trippi is lying

eom

[mzmolly]

70. No we needed Wes to dispute this in September when Dean said he never

offered Clark the VP slot.

[MIMStigator]

72. Why, is there statute of limitations?

Clark can dispute a lie whenever he wants to.

[mzmolly]

80. The thread claims Dean is slow to refute Clarks claim today when Dean

commented in September that Clark was not asked to be his VP. Sorry I find that comical.

[mikehiggins]

77. Well, that's the point, isn't Mz?

I don't recall Howard Dean stating that. Any citations?

[mzmolly]

81. Read my link.

There were several. Here is one report again of many that came out after the initial story.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=319193

[mikehiggins]

83. I did. I replied in #59. This clip doesn't cut it, IMHO eom

[Demobrat]

86. Did Clark actually say that?

That Dean offered him the VP slot? Or just his campaign manager? There is a difference between a theoretical discussion and an offer. Maybe Clark is confused.

[mikehiggins]

59. Interesting article

For those who didn't follow the link, here's the article referenced.

Clark VP talk 'not even on the radar screen' -- Dean campaign
From CNN Correspondent Jon Karl
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Democratic presidential hopeful Howard Dean has met with another possible candidate, retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark, on several occasions to ask for Clark's support if he decides against entering the race himself, Dean campaign officials said Thursday.
But the officials said the idea of Clark becoming Dean's vice presidential running mate -- a topic of discussion between the two men according to a Washington Post story Thursday -- is "not even on the radar screen" at this point.
And a close associate of Clark, Skip Rutherford, executive director of the Clinton Library in Little Rock, Ark., -- Clark's home state -- told CNN, "I think he's going to run. He'll be George Bush's worst nightmare."
Clark, supreme commander of the U.S.-led NATO forces in the Kosovo war, is expected to make a decision on entering the presidential race this month. He would become the 10th Democratic candidate.
Dean Campaign spokeswoman Courtney O'Donnell confirmed that Dean and Clark have had several meetings in recent weeks.
"Governor Dean has tremendous respect for General Clark and would be proud to have his support," she said. "The governor and the general met several times to talk about a host of issues ranging from general policy, domestic security and international affairs."
Asked about any discussions regarding Clark's status as a possible running mate for Dean, should he win his party's nomination, O'Donnell said:
"That's not where our focus is. General Clark definitely would be on the short-list. He'd definitely be considered along with others, but it's not even on the radar screen. It's a long road from now to then . . . If Clark doesn't run, we'd love his support. I'm sure many other candidates would want the same thing."
--CNN Political Researcher Robert Yoon contributed to this report"

I don't see a "no" in there, nothing but a nice little dance around the topic.

I guess the Washington Post story referred to is wrong.

The Internet. Even cited articles are open to interpretation.

Don't ya just love it?

[zulchzulu]

40. Dean just wants to run out the clock...

Good for Clark to prove Dean is well, what he is...

Between Dean trying to deflect why he won't debate Kerry in New Hampshire or Iowa where it might prove beneficial to the electorate or now trying to backpeddle or avoid the issue with Clark getting a VP offer, it shows Dean's desperation to avoid issues that might put his under scrutiny and probable political disaster.

Tick tock tick tock, looks like Howard is hiding under a rock.

[ibegurpard]

41. I really hope the Clark "campaign"

continues to try to make hay out of this. Most people other than diehard Clark supporters will scratch their heads at why a supposedly credible candidate for President of the United States is having a temper tantrum about whether he WAS or was NOT offered the VP position for someone else.

[MIMStigator]

44. It's about the lie. eom

eom

[Padraig18]

45. Unless it's the truth.

Then it becomes about Gen. Clark getting his panties in a wad over nothing. eom :eyes:

[MIMStigator]

46. That's right. Why Dean should set record straight

nt

[Padraig18]

51. Trippi's already said what the Dean campaign has to say .

Ball back to you.

[MIMStigator]

53. You would think Dean would want to defend his own integrity

Unless his campaign is lying about not offering Clark VP

[Padraig18]

57. What part of this statement did you not understand?

"Trippi's already said....". It seems to be a very simple, straightforward, declarative English sentence to my simple mind... :eyes:

[MIMStigator]

58. Clark said Trippi was lying. Ball in Dean's court

eom

[wndycty]

60. Exactly

Dean should either back up his guy and call Clark a liar or fess up that he offered Clark the VP slot.

[MIMStigator]

61. You would think Dean fans would WANT Dean to tell truth......

......unless they think Dean campaign is lying

[Padraig18]

63. huh?

Trippi spoke for the Dean camp--- period. No need to repeat what he said already.

[MIMStigator]

64. So Trippi spoke for Dean? Then Dean is a liar.

eom

[Padraig18]

67. Unless you were a fly on the wall, you don't and CAN'T *know* that.

Sorry, but it's only your opinion, unless you were there...

[bearfartinthewoods]

93. yeah...right

[mikehiggins]

73. Actually, Trippi has put Dean out somewhere he might not want to be.

Sometimes advisors do that for the campaign's own good. Maybe Joe thinks Clark is getting too much momentum or something. Maybe something is going on behind the scenes that we don't know about yet. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

The point is that there was no need for this to happen. Nobody really cared if Dean asked Clark to be VP or not. It certainly was no skin off of Dean's teeth to have discussed it with him. It has only become an issue because Joe T made it an issue. Maybe he's been reading his own press releases about how Svengallian he is. Who knows?

The Clark guys may just let this die here. It won't do anyone any good to engage in a scorched earth battle at this point in the game. However, I think Trippi just killed any chance of Dean being offered the VP spot in the Clark administration.

Pity.

[MIMStigator]

42. Same people who said Kerry and Gephart responsible for anti Dean ads

because their ex employee involved say NOW that Dean isn't responsble for campaign manager statement if its wrong.

[DancingBear]

69. This is pretty funny

I've often found it rather comical that Dean issues press releases or comments on everything - yet is strangely silent on this.

weather - Dean clears up comment - says he said yesterday was PARTLY cloudy

fruit - Dean says McIntosh apples "slightly crisper" than Delicious ones

slogans - Dean denies "you have the power" was stolen from Vermont Yankee

I think I'll go with the General on this one...

[mzmolly]

71. Silent, Dean denied this last September, Clark came out 3 months later

and you call Dean silent? :crazy:

[MIMStigator]

74. Clark has right to call Dean on a lie whenever he wants to

eom

[wndycty]

76. Yes Dean has told a few lies about General Clark

. . .like he was "a Republican up until 25 days ago" and he flip flopped on the war.

[Padraig18]

79. Except that you don't and can't *know* that it's a lie.

Can you? :eyes:

[MIMStigator]

85. I believe Clark but Dean can clear it all up

eom

[Padraig18]

88. This is becoming a circular argument.

Joe Trippi has made the Dean campaign's position perfectly clear. Badgering will not produce a different answer. EOM

[MIMStigator]

91. Some Dean fans say Trippi could be wrong. We need Dean to speak

Not everybody thinks Trippi is saying what Dean himself would say including Dean fans.

[mzmolly]

95. They discussed possibilities, Dean was in no position to offer shisa.

end of story.

[Padraig18]

101. What 'Dean fans'?

I haven't seen any say that. Could you point me to the threads, please?

[DancingBear]

82. One would think

that he would say so now, then. Yes?

Unless of course denying something last September, when Clark wasn't officially running, is good enough for you, which, in the land of Dean, very well might be.

Hint: think "political strategy" as to why Dean may have denied in Sept.

I'm waiting to hear the candidate deny it right now in the present context of the campaign - which I fear will be like waiting for June to come after February.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

89. One of the most rediculous threads I've ever seen.

[mikehiggins]

106. I don't know your politics

But that is a really funny image.

[TLM]

90. WOW! Is Clark this desperate that he is trying to make hay out of

the difference between being asked to be VP and being told you're on the short list?

Dean hasn't ASKED anybody to be VP at this point. All he's done is float some posibilities, mainly Clark and Graham.

There is a big difference between offering someone the VP slot and saying they're on your short list and you'd like their support.

That's how politics works... maybe CLarks total lack of experience is showing again if he thought being told he was on the short list meant he was being asked to be Dean's VP.

[wndycty]

102. OK no big deal so it should not take a lot of effort for Dean to say. . .

. . .yes I offered the spot or Clark is a liar. Seems pretty simple to me.

[Padraig18]

108. Joe Trippi already did.

He said Clark was not offered the VP slot. Badgering will not produce a different answer.

[Northwind]

94. Dean's rapid response:

"Ignore 3rd tier no-hope candidate's BS."

[wndycty]

100. 3rd teir no-hope candidate?

Hmmm. . .very interesting post. . .tell me how Clark is a third tier candidate. Dean has not won a damn thing yet.

[Donna Zen]

105. Motive?

What would Clark's motivation have been last September to start a rumor that would indicate he wanted to be Dean's VP? What would Clark's motivation be to continue that rumor? What does Clark have to gain by saying he declined that offer? And by the way, I don't think it was a straight forward offer, I think it was as the General says "dangled." Something like Dean saying: "Boy wouldn't we make a great team on the campaign trail? Me as president with you as vp.

Please note the timing of the orginal article...just a few days before Clark would announce a run.

What motivation would Dean have had to leak a possible VP spot a few days before Clark announced for the presidency? What motivation would Dean have for continuing the under the radar rumor?

One more: Clark could have said today: "Well, this has never come up in any conversation, and it will not ever happen." What motivation does Clark have for saying he was dangled? (None)

Trippi could have said he was not privy to all of Clark's and Dean's meetings. Subject fini. However....we know he didn't. And while he didn't out right say that Clark was a liar, he did leave the subject dangling? What motivation would Dean-Trippi have for calling Clark a liar? Hmmmmm?

Some people are politicians. Some just stick to the code they have lived by: Honor, duty, country.

[TLM]

111. What motivation would CLark have?? Easy...credibility.

Saying the front runner offered you the VP slot grants a newbie politician with no experience ever running a campaign a great degree of credibility he would not otherwise have.


As for Dean's side... telling that newbie that he's on your short list for VP would serve to keep him from attacking you as much as he might otherwise.

I think poor Clark just got confused about the difference between the short list and being offered the position.

[MIMStigator]

116. Political experience? Does that mean Dean is an insider and Clark........

is the real outsider?

[mikehiggins]

121. Was Dean the front runner in September? n/t

[Name removed]

110. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[TLM]

112. Saying that because he was a general, Clark would be a good president...

Is like saying because a cop worked in the juvinal crime unit, he'd make a great babysitter.

I do not buy it... and penny anti shit like this from Clark;s crew makes me think he would be far too cranky and arrogant to make a good VP.

It becomes more and more clear every time he opens his mouth why the men under his command called Clark the perfumed price.

[mikehiggins]

122. I seem to recall that the guy who publicised that label

later decided it was just an idle slander.

If I'm correct, he put it down to simple envy.

My, oh my. Nothing changes.

[MIMStigator]

113. Switched from Dean to Clark because Clark paid ultimate dues

Switched to Clark for among other reasons he risked his life.

[Scott Lee]

115. So has Dean! Don't believe me? Check out DU daily....

[MIMStigator]

117. Dean risked life for right to run for president? when?

eom

[neuvocat]

123. You know what? I'm going to stop talking about Dean.

There's really no point because what I'd have to say is nowhere nearly as damaging as what he's been saying this week alone.

And to think that the primaries are so close too.