Dean at Dartmouth: Scorecard of values....Democrats win.

[madfloridian]

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=2533412&nav=4QcSSr95

SNIP..""People ask me about Texas. How are the Democrats going to win in the red states? I think we failed by not running a national campaign," said Dean. Doctor Dean has already crafted a rhetorical prescription for a Democratic political resurgence..."

SNIP...""I believe that if you put up a scorecard of the values that evangelical Christians hold in this country, that we will have a higher rating in the Democratic Party than they will on the Republican side. All they get is they don't like gays and abortion. What we get is doing things for people who are left out - helping the poor - standing up with communal values - caring - building a society where our internal values - lest I say publicly and proudly our Godly values - whether they are Christian or Jewish or Muslim - our Godly values are something we stand for."

Good job on that.

[Eloriel]

1. Have I told you lately

how much I love him...

and appreciate you for bringing Dean news to DU so regularly?

:hi:

[madfloridian]

2. And have I told you how much I enjoy doing it?

I am retired, and I keep our DFA list posted on things as some of them work and just can't keep up.

I enjoy it, even though some here accuse me of worship. I figure that is their problem, not mine. I make no apologies for being inspired by someone who just speaks out and says what I am thinking. I do believe he is a mind-reader.

[mondo joe]

3. I'm feeling the same way.

I'm sure hoping we hear a lot more from Dean over the next few years.

[dolstein]

4. Dean has ZERO crediblity with red state voters

While I have no doubt that there is a case to be made for the Democratic side on the values debate, the messenger matters at least as much as the message. And Dean is probably the worst possible messenger we could choose on this. He's even worse than Kerry.

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[madfloridian]

6. Dolstein, your opinon of Dean matters naught to me.

It means nothing at all.

[depakid]

11. Dolstein and the like been thoroughly discredited

this last 10 years of pandering to the right have brought us all to the place where we are now. A person with Howard Dean's philospohy- his plain spokenness and his his conjones, could have turned this around- with jut such a score card.

Time for the DLC'rs to face facts. YOU ALL ARE LOSERS. How many times do you have to have it thrown in your face before you learn that your Bush Lite style pandering isn't ever going to work.

I remain convinced that Dean (especially Dean/Clark) would have had such a large margin of victory that we'd have overcome voting the machine fraud.

[Julien Sorel]

16. Dean 2008.

Turning those red states blue, with a message of healthcare and jobs. Why didn't those dumbass DLCers think of that. Gore and Kerry didn't talk about jobs and healthcare; they talked about, well, whatever they talked about, it wasn't jobs and healthcare, because only Dean is smart enough to talk about jobs and healthcare.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

7. i mean dolstein called joe lieberman TOO LIBERAL. nt

[madfloridian]

8. Yes, that is a problem. LOL

:evilgrin:

[killbotfactory]

9. Bitch, bitch, bitch...

You're right, though. Everyone I talk to in my red state says "Kerry sucks, but gosh darn that Dean has no credibility with me! Thank Jesus you didn't run him, or I would have voted against the democrats even HARDER!"

:eyes:

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

10. speak for yourself

plenty of red state Dems LOVE Dean and he was the reason we got so fired up during the primaries to begin with.

so again, speak for yourself here.

[lojasmo]

13. Quantify please

How, in fact, do you have the pulse of the red state voters?

How, in fact, could we have done WORSE in the red states? What a crock. I think that a candidate like Dean could have energized southern voters in a way that Kerry obviously didn't. Kerry may have gathered the votes of knee-jerk democrats in the south, but he certainly didn't inspire southern liberals and the disenfranchised to get out in numbers.

In case you didn't notice, we lost NM and IA this year.

[Citizen Kang]

12. Amen Dr. Dean!!!

We did not run a national campiagn and it cost us dearly. Dean might not have won the South but he would have done a hell of a lot better than John "I don't need the South to win" F. Kerry. He knows that the Democrats need to bring the fight to the Red States and that if we, as Democrats, want to win the South back and become a national party again, we need to fight the Repukes on THEIR turf.

Keep fighting Dr. Dean, we WILL take the White House with you in 2008.

[Catfight]

14. I agree, the christian right is really a group of organized haters

toward ANYONE that isn't exactly like them. This is what people need to see, that they are money hungry, power hungry and dictator hungry.

[bklyncowgirl]

15. Glad to see he's back out there and talking sense n/t

[dsc]

17. Dean is spot on here

but sadly there is a point that people may not listen. We need to give people more choice on the economics instead of fighting at the margins.

[davepc]

18. Howard Dean has been more right on this then wrong since the primaries.

I misjudged him then, and only now see the wisdom of his message.

go back and read what he had to say during his campaign, the way he addressed the issues we're grappling with now is almost scary in how prophetic it was.