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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:54 AM
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In this mess, we're missing the good news:
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 08:57 AM by Onlooker
We're organized and mobilized. We were nearly as organized as the far better entrenched right-wing, yet we did it in only a year. We will get stronger, and soon will be stronger than the right-wing.

48 out of every hundred people voted for Kerry. That is NOT bad. It might not have been good enough, but it's certainly enough to keep the Bush administration in check if we work at it.

There are enough moderate Republicans in the Senate to prevent the right wing from doing its worst: Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Arlen Spector, and Lincoln Chaffee.

The War on Iraq and the budget deficit will cause consequences here at home that will help us in our anti-Bush efforts.

BUT THE BEST NEWS, THE VERY BEST NEWS

The New Democratic Strategy needs to be replaced. It worked for Clinton, but failed after that. Within the Democratic Party will emerge something new. We're the activists. We have the opportunity to make the Party more progressive. Now, is a time to take a second look at Howard Dean and other progressive candidates.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:56 AM
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1. I have been saying that---the momentum is with us
they might be able to get the neanderthals and the fundies out, but we have the real people
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Kay Autic Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:56 AM
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2. and we're smarter than 51% of America
..but then I knew that
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derbstyron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:56 AM
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3. Fuck Republicans
moderate OR otherwise.
ANYBODY that votes with these right-wing freaks can go to hell.
I'm taking my country back!
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:57 AM
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4. Stupidity, ignorance, greed and violence rule this land...
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 08:58 AM by seeker4ever
change that and we will win.

P.S.
In other words Christians
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:58 AM
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5. Yes, we must pool our strengths now - while the fool self-destructs
He's got the rope...

I am also very, very motivated to bring down the right-wing corporations who buy these votes. You know who they are - let's keep the power of organization!
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:58 AM
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6. I disagree....
If Senator Kerry couldn't get a vast majority of the votes, then going more progressive would've been worse. If the public wanted more progressive, Nader would've gotten more votes. Face it, the public isn't progressive - not at this time. Less than one-quarter of the populace has a college degree.

I supported Dean, but now I see that the US is just not ready for progressive.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:01 AM
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8. Wes Clark would be able to do it n/t
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:05 AM
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10. You're leaving out nonvoters
Both parties fight to represent the middle class and neither party relates to the millions of poor and struggling people. If the Democrats become more progressive, millions of poor Americans will get more involved in the election and many of the poor who vote for the right will take another look at the Democrats. It's time to test that approach. It was the approach of the Dean campaign.
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:07 AM
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Poor people don't vote.
We need to make better inroads with white men. It is more of losing the "pussy" image than changing a lot of issue stances.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:19 AM
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17. Why don't they vote? Perhaps because no one has given them anything to
vote for? Where's that 49%+ of the population that doesn't bother to go to the polls? That's who we have to talk to.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:49 AM
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18. I must disagree with you.....
poor and struggling people do not vote - they don't see the importance of it. That's the fact.
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Sara Beverley Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:00 AM
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7. We really need to forge some alliances with the Greens and Nader folks
We need to stop being "anti-religious." This really hurts us because it smacks at the sensibilities of many people who take their religion serious. We need not BECOME religious zealots but we sure do need to learn to respect their choices just as we ask them to respect ours.

But this election is still not over!
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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:06 AM
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11. the truth is the opposite
we need to wholeheartedly REJECT the religions that keep corrupting our govt and our society

expose religion for the fraud that it is
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StopTheMorans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:08 AM
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14. agree, how the hell do you reach out to people who describe themselves
as "born-again"? you don't, unless you become a fundie nut-job yourself. discard them and stop even pretending to care about religious issues, and we can go from there...
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:07 AM
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12. Hogwash.
I'm not anti-religious. I just ask that people keep it to themselves. I'm sorry but the minute someone comes out and says "God told me this" or "God told me that" I have a problem. That's not going to change ...EVER.

Jay
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:07 AM
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13. Sara: We are the real religious....
we don't play politics with religion, jesus, god nor do we support those cheating rich political tel-evangelist thiefs. We honor and respect church and state. We will not be like them or use religion for political advantage. To hell with bush and those fake christians. I'm a real Christian.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:03 AM
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9. Your Pontication Is Irrelevant. This Has NOTHING TO DO W/ DNC
DLC or the "New Demo Strategy".

This has to do with VOTER FRAUD on a massive scale.

Kerry won and your blathering is nothing more than hot air.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:15 AM
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16. Wake up
One thing has nothing to do with the other, something you evidently did not realize. As I see it, we lost ground in the Senate and House, and, even if we win the Presidency, it won't be a resounding victory. Learn to multitask, then you can support both the fight against voter fraud and the fight for a more progressive democratic party.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:12 AM
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15. BULLSHIT! WE GOT 52%! IT WAS STOLEN..PERIOD
Why don't you open your eyes?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:57 AM
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19. Thanks for that TIA!
I've been scratching my head all day wondering WHY THE HELL ANYONE ACCEPTS this "popular vote" statistic. It's as BOGUS as everything else that's gone down as "fact" in the last 4 years. Record turnouts, new registrations, folks spending HOURS in line to cast a vote to PRESERVE the STATUS QUO??? Gimme a fucking break.
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