I was told to get rid of my Kerry/Edwards button by my Repub boss!

[feistydem]

I am the Exec. Director of an NPO and while volunteering on my day off I was wearing a Kerry button. I was told by one of my board members not to wear political buttons when representing my organization. I was fine with that request until another board member came into my office yesterday and screamed at me about the Fahrenheit 9/11 DVD I had on my desk (another board member had just loaned to me) to take home.

This man then screamed to me (I'm a known Dem in my organization) that he HATES Kerry.

He also said, "Kerry is a liar! I'm so mad today! Kerry's all over the news lying about those explosives in Iraq!"

Then quoting Matt Drudge: "They (explosives) went missing before troops even arrived and Kerry just keeps lying about them! He's such a liar!"

He ranted and ranted until I told him I didn't think he and I should talk politics. Then he proceeded to tell me how stupid and uninformed "liberals" are --repeating the latest Bush mantra, of course.

When I told him I thought Bush was a liar I thought the man was going to explode: "He's not a liar! He's never been caught telling a lie!" he screamed while he shook his head wildly.

Now, I want to know why is it okay for this man to come in and rant about his political views but I can't quietly wear a Kerry button (in a town that is about 60% Dem, by the way)?

Is this just another sign of the rightwing's anguish over the fact that they are going to LOSE the election?

What should I say to him after Bush loses he election? I am taking suggestions for something that will fillet and fry him without being as ugly about it as he was. I'm better than that.

Any thoughts???

[molly]

1. You should say - I win - I win - I win - I win

my donkey kicked your ass.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. I won't donate to this NPO.

[feistydem]

14. It's a great org. The majority of us are pretty liberal.

Unfortunately, a couple of crazy rightwingers have been allowed onto the board. I could handle conservatives on the board --just not the crazy ones.

I already drove one away with my backhanded criticisms.

[bullimiami]

3. hes a dumbass

no point in talking to him. just tell him to go away.

[grytpype]

My thoughts:

1. Your boss is a fucking moron.

2. If you want to keep getting a paycheck, go along with whatever shit he wants.

If there is a way to get a paycheck without putting up with shit from fucking morons, I don't know about it.

[aden_nak]

4. "He's never been caught telling a lie!"

"He's never been caught telling a lie!"

Attacking the evidence is a well documented sign of guilt.

"The overwhelming majority of these tax cuts will go to the bottom half of the spectrum."

The only way this could be considered NOT a lie is if he was talking abuot the NUMBER of the tax cuts. And that's really fucking pushing it.

[northzax]

sounds like a mafia don

doesn't it "heys, none of them charges could stick to me, you got no evidence I put Jimmy Hoffa under the Meadowlands, none at all."

[irancontra]

5. make a $50 bet with each of them that Kerry will wipe shrub's clock.

I have done so with several people giving me crap like that..

[tigereye]

9. I also work for an NPO

and I cannot understand how anyone at one could support Bush, since he has done so little to help NPO's and the clientele they usually serve. ( I work for mental health agencies.) Anyway, it is none of their business how you use your time off and what you view or think, as long as you don't influence clients. I usually take my pins off when I see clients. And then I leave and put them right back on.

[LittleClarkie]

6. It would be better if you didn't say a word

Just have a shit-eating grin on your face November 3 and watch the fun.

[benito]

13. I feel the same way

I'm in an office with about 60 people and they ALL love Bush*. All of them! I can't talk to ANYONE here about Kerry.

It's very depressing sometimes. Win or lose, I can't relate to anyone.

[sunnybrook]

48. boy do I relate to you!

Where I work, kind of in "redneckville" I am outnumbered to say the least. Rush Limbaugh is considered an American hero. In fact, during the 2000 primary my boss was for ALAN KEYES. Bush was too "liberal" for him. His favorite speech at the recent RNC was of Zell Miller. He thought Bush was "too political" (read: moderate). Right after Bush was elected a customer handed me some "funny money" as a souveneir. Had Bush's pic W/ cowboy hat and said "New Sherriff is in town." Need I go on? However, a few years ago I finally had it and I kind of went off on my boss (I don't advise anyone to do this). I told him "I am what you call a "damn liberal." After that he has been more respectful to me. A co-worker told me he is scared of me because of the "feminist" thing. That's the way I like it.

[MsUSA]

51. Ditto to my office being * supporters.

About 5 of them went to *'s speech on Tuesday, in Onalaska Wisconsin and when they got back to the office they just couldn't stop talking about how wonderful he was. They were all standing around my desk, jabbering so I just got up and left. :-( I can't talk to anyone either, so I immediately log onto DU, and feel tremendously uplifted and fulfilled. :-)

[Hawkeye-X]

7. Tell him to screw off.

And tell him that you are willing to bet the farm that Kerry will win, and take his job, money, prestige, and tell him to live in the fucking streets and ask him what's it like after 3 days on the street with no money.

[bunkerbuster1]

8. Whenever someone quotes Drudge, I just say...

"You're quoting Drudge?"

[TexasChick]

10. "He's never been caught telling a lie!" - - Did you ask him where the WMD

are?

When Chimp loses, don't say anything to him. It will be glorious for you enough to see that Chimp supporter eat crow. And when the RICO lawsuits start flying against this misadministration, the truth will come out about their lies!

After Kerry wins, just revel in the satisfaction! Where the biggest smile on your face, like "Told ya, twirp!"

[feistydem]

18. He believes the fact that the explosives were there is proof Hussein...

had WMDs too... he just got them outta the country faster.

This is Bush's base: A bunch of illiterate morons.

(This guy was a Texas oil company grunt too. I'd expect nothing less)

[TexasChick]

19. feistydem, don't waste your time then...these people are dumber than a

box of rocks!!

I'm Texan and I think Chimp's the worst thing to ever happen to Texas and this country! Of course, these oil crony Chimptards are gonna be for the Chimp, they can't profit from this war without him!

Remember to put that huge grin on your face when that Chimp gets his walking papers!

[LynnTheDem]

30. Mention to the idiot that those explosives are NOT PROHIBITED

So should we invade nations that have microwaves? Those aren't prohibited in Iraq, either.

[mac56]

11. Document every bit of this exchange.

Also the one where you were told to take off the button.

This needs to be presented to the board for official action.

Also the local media.

[jgardner]

12. I'm encouraging every Dem I know

to wear Red White and Blue on Nov. 3. The "flag" symbol has been stolen by the Right Wing (I've discussed with several people that when we see flags or "Support Our Troops" we automatically assume "republican"). To quietly dress in (loud) patriotic colors will get the message across, define Dems as patriots once again, and reeeeeally piss off the conservatice crowd!

[demokatgurrl]

23. I love that, it deserves its own thread. n/t

[jgardner]

32. Okay!

I've never started a thread on DU before, but I'll give it a go. Plenty of people I know are already choosing their wardrobe for 1 WEEK FROM TODAY!

[missouri dem]

47. I've got my flag ready to fly on Nov. 2nd. Right by my

Kerry/Edwards sign. I plan on leaving them up for a few days after the Kerry Landslide.

[texastoast]

68. I've got two yellow ribbons

on the back of my car. On each of them, I wrote the name of two of my son's best friends, both Marines, one in Iraq and one in Okinawa "flying missions."

Those ribbons are right next to my Texans for Kerry sticker and my flag peace symbol.


:kick:

[txindy]

15. I wouldn't say a word. I'd just smile and smile and smile

and smile some more! Eight years of smiling ahead of us. :) :toast:

Your boss swims in the Kool-Aid. NOTHING you say will make the slightest bit of difference. Think of how he'll react when his hero goes on trial for war crimes after Kerry takes office. :evilgrin:

[feistydem]

21. I'm positively GIDDY at the thought of Bush/Cheney/Rummy/Powell/Wolfy/Rice

being tried for war crimes. Think FOX, CNN and MSNBC will cover it like they did OJ?

[txindy]

28. Maybe not, but Dan Rather would be more than willing to cover that!

But when does Al Gore get his network up and running? :toast: What a way to kick off a new business venture while also promoting International Justice!

[mitchum]

45. I'm giddy at the thought of them being HANGED for war crimes

They richly deserve it

[w4rma]

16. April 3-4, 2003; 3rd ID arrives at Al QaQaa, finds "thousands of boxes" of

April 3-4, 2003; 3rd ID arrives at Al QaQaa, finds "thousands of boxes" of "white powder"; powder is tested and found to be the explosives. No full count is made at site; site is huge, over 100 buildings and 3rd ID was there only for 2 days. Report notes UN seals still intact.

April 5, 2003; Report of explosives find is widely covered in world media.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RAN305A.html
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:4HlpKh0avh8J:www.straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/iraqwar/story/0,4395,181389,00.html+white+powder+found+is+explosives%3B+2003+Iraq&hl=en
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2917531.stm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1175837

April 10, 2003; Second military group, 101st Airborne, arrives in Al QaQaa. No attempt to search or count anything was made; this was a "pitstop" on way to Baghdad.
http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/archives/003664
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1174935

<snip>
At the Pentagon, an official who monitors developments in Iraq said U.S.-led coalition troops had searched Al-Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March 2003 invasion and confirmed that the explosives, under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact. Thereafter, the site was not secured by U.S. forces, the official said, also speaking on condition of anonymity.

The Iraqis told the nuclear agency the materials were stolen and looted because of a lack of security at governmental installations, Fleming said.

"We do not know what happened to the explosives or when they were looted," she told AP.
<snip>
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-me/2004/oct/25/102504973.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x931450

[Search Party]

17. tell him he should have prayed harder

[mooky]

20. Tell him when Kerry wins

that he doesn't get to use any of the healthcare provides.

[demokatgurrl]

22. With any luck, Kerry will find out about it

and offer you a job (like he did with the woman whose boss yelled at her over a Kerry bumper sticker).
If not, are you in a field where there are any jobs? Maybe you should move to a more tolerant employer.

After Bush loses: in a kind and sympathetic tone, offer your condolences.

[PurityOfEssence]

24. "We never had any inkling that the intelligence was wrong."

First off, intentional deception is just as bad as telling an overt lie. Having said that, we know many instances where he literally did say something that he knew to be false, or represented having knowledge of something that he either didn't or was lying about.

Not only did they have inklings that the intelligence was wrong, they created some of it and excised all qualifiers. The CIA had requested that allegations of a nuclear program be taken out of speeches; it was, but was put back in later.

This instance, and the following three all exist as video clips, and they are all, by definition, lies: statements made with the foreknowledge of their inaccuracy, and with the intent to deceive for personal gain.

"I hardly even knew Ken Lay before 1994. In fact, he supported Ann Richards in that election" (Kenny-boy contributed $20K to Richards, but contributed $143.5K to Bush; sure, he "supported" her. Bush made lobbying calls to Argentinian politicians in 1988 for Lay. The Bush family was very involved in Enron from the beginning, when Houston Natural Gas morphed into the crooked E in 1986. Funny how the attempted Alternative Minimum Tax giveaway attempted in '01 was for the last 15 years and would have netted $254M at a time when Enron was failing and no favoritism was being given.)

"That's been fully vetted; the SEC exonerated me on that." (The SEC investigation of the Harken affair--which was conducted by a former Bush family attorney who had gone to the SEC--was ended with a letter stating that they were ending the investigation; it specifically states at the bottom of it that "this is not to be considered an exoneration". He either knew this and lied, or was lying by flatly stating that he knew something he didn't)

"We never said Hussein had anything to do with 9-11." (The problem here is the "we", because Cheney did. If he's putting himself on the hook for things his mob says, then he's responsible for them; the lie is in stating he knew things he didn't.)

[GreenPartyVoter]

25. Just tell him you'll be sure to pass the word on to President Kerry

[northzax]

26. take nick kristof's advice

buy hima copy of Bush's 2000 campaign 'autobriography' and highlight the section where he talks about his father looking for Barbara's stuffed dog on the eve on he 1998 debates. than get a copy of Millie's Story, written by Babs, and highliught the section where she says this story took place in 1997, involved a stuffed cat, and that GHW gave up in frustration, rather than look for the stuffed animal.

highlight both sections, and ask him, "who's lying here, GW, or his mom?"

[Vincardog]

27. The PEOPLE decided this time

[LynnTheDem]

29. Never caught in a lie...well THAT'S a WHOPPING-ASS lie!

"There is no doubt Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction."

“The world is more peaceful and more free under my leadership.”

"And so I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war."

“Any time we put our troops into harm's way, you must have the best training, the best equipment, the best possible pay.”

"We must uncover every detail and learn every lesson of September the 11th."

CEO Ken Lay "was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994."

"And we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power"

"That's news to me. Want some wood?"

"I don't believe I ever said that. That's one of those exaggerations."

"There's only been one governor ever elected to back-to-back four year terms and that was me."

I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war."

"I do support a national patients' bill of rights."

Oh and by the way, bush, re all your LIES about the Clintons trashing the White House;

"An investigation by the General Accounting Office found no evidence of vandalism, no evidence of wires slashed, no evidence of equipment damaged, and no evidence or anything to match the allegations."

[progressivebydesign]

31. They're desperate, and they're killing our democracy.

I was trying to plan an election day event for a democratic candidate. One of the venues I had been speaking with, suddenly asked me what party my candidate was running in. After I told them, they told me that they 'didn't want to upset their other customers', and if we could 'stay in the back, and have NO BANNERRS OR SIGNS' then they could probably accommodate us!

Election is almost over... then things will return to almost normal.

[Stuckinthebush]

33. Having worked in and with non profits all of my professional life

I know how hard it is for NPO staff members to deal with their BODs. Normally (depending on the NPO), the staff are rather progressive. Conversely, the board members are more conservative. Why? Because NPOs need high profile board members who have a lot of money to donate to the organization and a lot of friends who have money to donate to the organization. It is an unfortunate reality, but reality nonetheless.

I also know that most Executive Directors have a great deal of power on choosing board members. I'm sure you have that power as well. It may be a good time to circle your friendly board member wagons and let them chide the screamer. Just keep your hands as clean as possible!

Good luck!

[feistydem]

44. He's the board prez. and he's never donated a dime to the NPO

Seriously, this guy is completely in it for the prestige. I have already weeded out 2 directors. One resigned today. I have some positions to fill, but this guy is going to make it tough to bring in good people.

Fortunately for me, our town has a healthy number of rich, connected liberals. Unfortunately, every NPO in the county is buttering them up. The local restauranteurs are loving the battle of the NPOs!

[Stuckinthebush]

52. What an ass

He takes a board president position and then refuses to donate? What a loser.

Good luck!

[mondo joe]

54. You don't include annual donation in your board job description?

I've always required 100% participation in contributions on my boards.

[feistydem]

64. I do require it of new members, but this guy was on before me and the

existing board decided that giving of their time for board meetings was all they would require. That is why I am trying to replace some of them.

They don't fundraise either. It's what I inherited and am trying to change.

[zbdent]

34. You know, tape recorders are rather cheap these days

even some of those cheap PDAs record stuff.

So, wear your button in pride, and when you see him coming, push the "record" button . . .

Might come in handy when you claim that you were fired without cause.

[TexasThoughtCriminal]

42. Or record the conversation on your PC

Plug a cheap microphone into your sound card, start up Microsoft Sound Recorder (under Accessories), then quietly click on the record button when he opens his yapper.

[zbdent]

43. Better yet, a webcam

and you CAN disassemble it to hide it somewhere . . .

[HuskerDem]

35. Look him square in the eye and inform him that he is creating a hostile

work environment and you would like him to stop. This is legal code that will get through his cro-magnon brain and hopefully bring about the desired effect.

[havocmom]

36. This is very sound advice. Don't talk politics but if he starts, finish

using the words "you are creating a hostile work environment and I would like for you to stop this behavior."

Also, check your state laws re: recording people without consent. If the law requires consent, hold up one of those nifty little recorders, click it ON in front of him and ask if he minds being recorded. One way or another, he will back off.

And tranquilizer darts might be a good idea after we get a fair count of the votes ;)

[votekerryin04]

37. SIMILAR SITUATION AT MY WORK

an undecided voter here was handed to printouts by a manager that was from the christian coalition, comparing the candidates saying if you are truly saved there should be no doubt as to who to vote for, Bush of course, i was so livid and argued every lie that was on the paper, and it also convinced the undecided to go with kerry, after her faith was questioned, a victory

[HuskerDem]

57. That is REALLY SERIOUS grounds for a lawsuit if she is harrased in any way

A boss CANNOT inflict his religious views on an employee any more than he's allowed to flop his penis on her desk.

[harpo]

38. go talk to his neighbors about putting up Kerry signs in their yard

[mumon]

39. Smile with a sh*t eating grin

and don't say anything.

[idiosyncratic]

40. After Kerry wins just say, "Neener, neener, neener." LOL n/t

[wtmusic]

41. Tell him to to please *TRY* to remember to take his meds

in 3 months it'll all be better

[zulchzulu]

46. Buy your boss some chicken

Say something like Bush was a chicken in the Vietnam ear, so you figured he was a big chicken fan.

Get him a bucket of KFC and put a B/C bumper sticker on it. Then tell him to go fuck himself.

[sunnybrook]

49. if you take that advice, don't forget to update your resume!

[ThoughtCriminal]

50. Wear your button. Keep tape recorder in plain sight

As soon as the rant starts. Inform him you are recording and turn it on. VERY intimidating.

[Horse1969]

53. I don't know how you deal with that

I can't even talk with any repukes anymore. I don't even want to be around em. Even my boss, who is a repuke, came in the day after Arnold's rant at the convention and said "He did a real good job." I looked at him and said "He said terrorist are bad, and America is a great country and anyone can come here and become a rich repuke like himself, yeah, that was real profound, if you're gonna talk politics, talk to someone else out of my ear shot." F*ck these a-hole bosses who think they can say whatever they want because their above you, they can't fire you for a political opinion, not if they know what's good for em.

[merh]

55. Never caught in a lie??? What about during the debate when

he refuted Kerry's claim that he said he was not worried about finding bin laden? Totally refuted by the WH speech he made. Big time, documented, videoed lie!

Just ignore the dumb repuke. They are losing and he knows it!

[Horse1969]

56. Or when he said

"I own a logging company?" "That's news to me." "Wanna buy some wood." 10 minutes after the debate they showed Bush's tax return with the money he received as a partner in a logging company. Fucking lying sack of shit.

[Norquist Nemesis]

58. Get ready for a REALLY ROUGH ride

When Kerry wins, they are going to be taking their anger and hatred out on you at every possible opportunity.

I've worked in NPO's and know full well how politics plays into things. I'm in a heavy Republican area though. Still, I didn't register to vote till well after I was gone and in the private sector. Just being a Democrat can get you unbelievable roadblocks from the good ole boys in this area.

I wish you luck and good wishes...you're going to need it.

[TrogL]

59. Say nothing, absolutely nothing, wear your best poker face

It'll drive him batshit.

[RoyalWickedness]

60. Sounds like you need to file a complaint

with your HR dept. This asshat is creating a hostile work environment.

[feistydem]

65. Unfortunately in this case, I am the HR Dept. I'm the Director and he's

the Board Prez. He can't fire me by himself. It would take a majority vote of the board --but they're all afraid of him.

[TexasSissy]

61. This is why it's best to leave political paraphernalia at home, when at

work. It has the possibility of causing problems in the office.

The co-worker was definitely out of line, and you replied correctly - that you and he shouldn't discuss politics, since you disagree with each other, apparently vehemently.

The F9/11 DVD inadvertently sitting out should have been no problem for anyone, though. It was in your office. If it wasn't there for days for the purpose of advertising, then it's no one's business. I don't get that one.

[feistydem]

66. I was volunteering on my NPOs behalf on my day off

I never wear my Kerry buttons to work. This was my day off --but in fairness to the board director who asked me to remove it, I was representing my organization.

I just thought that my sporting a Kerry button on my day off was a minor infraction compared to the board president coming in during a work day and screaming at me about my personal political views.

[AP]

62. If you are a volunteer they can't tell you not to wear them.

[merh]

63. Give your boss this link -

News station in Minnesota that video taped the explosives after the invasion. http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1

[ArkDem]

67. Tell Him "bush LIED and people DIED".