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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:00 AM
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Scary Social Security letter - Gary Jarmin can destroy George Bush
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 01:59 AM by Bozos for Bush
My friends,

What started off as just a typical scam letter sent to my mom 3 days ago (will be posted immediately after this post) has turned into a massive undertaking to discover evidence that WILL bring Bush down, if we can move fast enough. Sincere thanks to fellow DU posters salvorhardin, koko01, starroute, plastic_turkeys, amen1234, George_S, RationalRose, teach1st, and many others - I have only been a small part of this incredible journey we have all been on the last 2-3 days.

This post will contain a large number of links from 4 other threads that were part of this journey, as well as links to many articles and evidence at other sites. The purpose of this new thread is to tie everything together into one thread, so we can keep this effort organized.

SUMMARY

1. The American Federation of Senior Citizens (AFSC) is sending people a Scary Social Security letter (see next post) that tricks them into donating money, for the purpose of allowing investment of funds.

2. Gary Jarmin runs the AFSC and several other apparently fake charitable organizations from his home at 208 North Patrick Street, Alexandria, VA, 22314, 703-548-1708. Among his other enterprises are Christian Voice, JAR-MON Consultants, US Cuba Foundation, and the American Christian Cause.

3. Gary Jarmin founded the American Coalition for Traditional Values with Tim Lahaye, well-known author of the "left Behind" series of books, silent co-founder of the Moral Majority, and a major reason why Bush was (s)elected president in 2000.

4. Gary Jarmin utilizes Response Dynamics to mail his scam letters, and they are deeply involved with other right wing organizations as well.

5. Jarmin is a member of the CNP, as is Lahaye, and many other powerful right-wing folks.

6. Jarmin is a Moonie - in fact, a dear member of the Moonies.

7. Jarmin has proven influence with both W and his dad - fully documented in the links below.

It is my belief that we can prove the following:

1. Jarmin's charities are scams meant to funnel money to RW'ers.
2. Bush intends to move on investing Social Security after the election.
3. Jarmin funnels money to Bush, Swift Boat guys, etc.

All of us want to get rid of Bush. Perhaps we can do even more. We need help - we need an army of people finding further proof, and we need to get that proof on TV, in the papers, on the radio, etc. Just 3 hours ago, someone posted that Malloy was talking about our investigation - so this is spreading!

Thank you in advance to anyone and everyone willing to further research all this.

The extensive list of links below will bring everyone up to speed on where we are tonight:

1. Jarmin and Bush - direct link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x906139#913401

2. Jarmin and Papa Bush - proof of relationship:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1093320#1096078

3. Jarmin background info: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x906139#911587

4. Jarmin and W - more connections: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2503732#2506865

5. Jarmin's home: http://alexandriava.gov/city/reasearch/rea_search_detail_record.pxe?REA_ID=34087

6. Jarmin's home - eyewitness account: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2500661#2502812

7. Jarmin and other scams: http://www.holysmoke.org/hs02/money-cc.htm

8. Jarmin, Bush, Lahaye, and the CNP: http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:55YYr19T8XgJ:www.seekgod.ca/cnp.ijk.htm+Gary+Jarmin,+George+Bush&hl=en

9. More Jarmin, Lahaye, CNP: http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/Bush/bush9.html

10. Jarmin, Lahaye, scary people: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2500661#2501795

11. Jarmin, Lahaye, Newt, takeover of America: http://www.buildingequality.us/ifas/fw/9502/newt.html

12. Jarmin and Moon's coronation before Congress: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x906139#913587

13. Jarmin, AOL, and Response Dynamics, Inc.: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2503732#2504413

14. Jarmin and Congress: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x906139#913533

15. Jarmin, John Birch Society, etc.: http://www.newsmakingnews.com/vm,exposing,christian,right,8,04.htm

16. Jarmin and Moon's intimate relationship: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x906139#911661

17. Jarmin and CubaNet: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2500661#2503547

18. Jarmin and Lahaye, detailed info: http://www.cephasministry.com/church_and_state_roots.html

19. Jarmin, Moonies, and the Middle East: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x906139#913607

20. Jarmin, Robert Grant, others - detailed: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/groupwatch/afc.php

21. Jarmin link to AARP? Needs help!: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2503732#2507019

22. Lahaye made Bush president - outstanding Rolling Stones article: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/5939999?rnd=1090028394515&has-player=true&version=6.0.10.505&

23. The World of Tim Lahaye: http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/lahaye.html

24. Lahaye and Moon alliance: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1423175

25. Lahaye and Bush - CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/05/60minutes/main598218.shtml

26. Lahaye and Bush - Newsweek: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4988491/site/newsweek

27. Jarmin scamming back in 1998: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/examiner/a/1998/02/08/NEWS3642.dtl

28. Mysterious Marvin Mondres: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x906139#911647

29. Mysterious Marvin nailed: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2500661#2509569

30. Response Dynamics and Marvin: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2503732#2506161

31. SHERWOOD! Bush and Ridge: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2503732#2506161

32. Lahaye, Bush, Apocalypse (scroll to 3rd message): http://www.vandea.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=324

33. W addresses the CNP!: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x906139#912056

34. Papa Bush and Moonies: http://freedomofmind.com/stevehassan/presskit/articles/parry.htm

35. Moon and fascism: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x906139#912084

36. CNP members! Jardin, Lahaye, lots of bad guys: http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Council_for_National_Policy

37. Sherwood linked to Moonies: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x906139

38. Heritage Foundation and Moon?: http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Heritage_Foundation

39. Religious Right - extensive analysis: http://members.shaw.ca/trogl/

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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:05 AM
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1. Please link here for Scary Social Security letter
Sorry, I don't know how to post it here - so please go to this link to view it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2503732

Thanks!

John
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:12 AM
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2. Previous threads
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:15 AM
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3. This is getting spooky(er)
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:42 AM
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11. Beyond spooky, it's a crime against people everywhere (nt)
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:18 AM
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4. kick it
Bozos for Bush: Great investigating. Good luck.

:kick:
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:33 AM
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5. Thanks Sage. We need to dig up the money trail IMO
Thanks Sage, but a lot of people did just as much as I did or more to get us where we are now.

In my opinion, we need to dig up the money trail - Jarmin to Bush, Swift Boats, etc.

I have to get to bed soon - work tomorrow :(

John
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:37 AM
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196. kick
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Lakerstan Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:41 AM
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6. Zach Mondres goes to Massanutten Military Academy
Possibly a son? Also a military connection?

Google search for Mondres Massanutten

Look at the cached file for:
www.nvdaily.com/Sports/281532249756054.bsp
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:44 AM
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12. too much of a coincidence
Must be a son or grandson - those filthy rich folks sure have a rough life...scamming the poor and the elderly in order to live like a king is hard work. Right George?

Hard work!
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:55 AM
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7. somebody needs to...
...go post this info on the big blogs. Someone who has been doing research needs to post on a big blog and be able to communicate knowledgeably about the matter. Atrios, Kos, yada. That's the fastest way to get the info out. Also, send to Keith Olbermann and send to Dan Froomkin at The Washington Post marked TIP.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:00 AM
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8. Please give me email addresses or links to Olbermann and Froomkin (nt)
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:01 AM
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9. ok
[email protected] (Dan Froomkin's White House Briefing page)

[email protected] (olbermann)
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:19 AM
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10. Emailed both - grasswire, please help
I really need sleep - been working this story for 3 days with little sleep, and I have to work tomorrow :(

Please copy the 1st and 2nd posts, and post them at some of the big blogs. The 1st post is structured to quickly allow anyone to understand what we have going on here, so no further explanation is needed.

Thanks :)

John
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:58 AM
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13. Fascinating and frightening
I have been following all of the links to this amazing story since you first posted it. I nominated it as a frontpage article , but have it bookmarked just in case. Who is Malloy?
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:40 AM
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14. That would be Mike Malloy
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 03:40 AM by tkmorris
Liberal talk radio host, now to be heard on Air America Radio.
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:50 AM
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15. Council for National Policy
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Council_for_National_Policy

includes John Ashcroft, Tommy Thomson and "Left Behind" author Tim LaHaye as former members
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:28 AM
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17. CNP is a who's who of the far right, you will even find
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 04:45 AM by OutsourceBush
Alan Keyes and Larry Klayman (Judicial Watch guy) as proud members. Both Right Wing Whacko Senate Candidates this year. It's the real far, far, right nut cases.

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.ken.htm

CNP seems to be one of their Central organizations.

"Through their propaganda, they provoke visceral reactions from Christians to fight, become angry, to get involved in the political arena, to join and support their organizations through many monetary contributions which makes "merchandise of the saints.""

"In a sense, the CNP is becoming the worst kept secret. According to Group Watch"

"In-depth biographies of CNP founders and past/present officers and many members reveal that many are directly affiliated with or part of such organizations as the Knights of Malta, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Unification Church of Sun Myung Moon, the Church of Scientology, Freemasonry, the CIA, Nazis, the Church Universal & Triumphant, the Ku Klux Klan, Templeton Foundation, Racists and other cults and organizations."

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.htm
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:57 PM
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86. Interesting website, thanks.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:05 AM
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24. Figures Ashcroft would be there too
Good morning everyone...work in 50 minutes :(

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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:02 AM
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16. My guess is that these Moon front groups plow money into
Republican campaigns for favors of some sort. (no Fed prosecutors sniffing up Moons butt?) Bush senior got quite a good pay-off from Rev Moon with his speaking engagements according to the Internet.
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requiem99 Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:28 AM
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18. Kick, this is very important. I hope you all are blasting it to KOS and co
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:09 AM
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25. Atrios at Eschaton knows Moon's history. Push this thread to him.
.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:16 AM
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26. Somone please notify Atrios
Unfortunately I have to be at work in 40 minutes :)

Can't stop thinking about this stuff though - got 2 hours of sleep again.

And focus on the money trail starting with Jarmin - he collects money from several organizations...where does he spend it?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:46 PM
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135. kick...to keep it going... eom....
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #135
143. kicking back (nt)
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:08 AM
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19. Please see my post re: Rev. Moon's 'coronation' at OUR Capitol building
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1109202


Excerpt:

CHEY: Well, this is as you said, from the article "Unholy Alliance" by Carolyn Weaver that was published in the January, 1986 Mother Jones Magazine. I'll give you some quick background. It details the letter written by, dictated by Tim LaHaye, a thank you letter to Colonel Bo Hi Pak of the Washington Times, 2nd in command to Rev. Moon, for a sizable contribution to American Coalition for Traditional Values.

KELLEIGH: Which is Tim LaHaye's organization.

CHEY: Yes. It also mentions Concerned Women for America. The author, Carolyn Weaver, gives a direct quote from one of Moon's books at the end of the article. This is from Rev. Sun Myung Moon's book, "The Master Speaks",

"My dream is to organize a Christian political party including the Protestant denominations, Catholics and all the religious sects. Then the communist power will be helpless before ours. We have to purge the corrupted politicians and the sons of God must rule the world. The separation between religion and politics is what Satan likes most. ...Upon my command to the Europeans and others throughout the world to come live in the U.S., wouldn't they obey me? Then what would happen? We can embrace the religious world in one arm and the political world in the other. With this great ideology, if you are not confident to do this, you had better die!"

KELLEIGH: Yeah... and if he gains total control which he's doing very quickly....I know the guy's got to die, he's not going to live forever. But, if he does continue with this control, isn't he part and parcel of the New World Order?

CHEY: Well, he is because he plays to the conservative, the politically conservative Christians and provides the Washington Times newspaper and networks very strongly with Christian activists and Christian pastors through all these front groups, and on the other hand, he also funded and networked with all the eastern religions and the very liberal.... On the Internet you can find one of his web sites promoting the U.N. Habitat II Conference that was held in Istanbul last year. So he is working both sides very avidly.

KELLEIGH: He wants to join them together.

CHEY: Umhum. That's what "unification" is all about. Unify everything under a big world religion. He financed the World Parliament of Religions that included the Covenant of Isis and all of these Theosophical Society groups and Christian Groups. Some of the Baptist churches participated in that. So, it's a very, very dangerous thing.


Read the whole presentation at:

http://watch.pair.com/moon.html
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:20 AM
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27. Turkeys, good post - now let's find Jarmin's money trail (nt)
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:01 AM
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20. Shared sucker mailing lists and shared mailing houses?
It sounds like these people and organizations share similar scam email pitches (homos gonna get you so send us money, etc.). Maybe they all share sucker mailing lists as well. This might explain why they are willing to pay the large yearly fee to belong to CNP ($1,500 a year I think I read) or other organizations.
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:31 AM
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21. The Georgia Secy of State is running tv ads
asking to be alerted of any fraud geared toward seniors.

Her name is Cathy Cox. I'll try to call later in the day, but if anyone wants to take a crack at this who is more knowledgeable, please google her name and "fraud" and "seniors" and maybe you will find a place to file a complaint online. I bet there's a phone number (you'd hope so, how many seniors have computers?)

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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:32 AM
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22. She's a democrat, too, btw.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:23 AM
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28. Perhaps call, get a fax number, and fax the scary letter (see post #2)
and summary from 1st post that explains who is behind it.

Thanks Francine :)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:59 AM
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35. Exactly
This is where we fail. Going off on Moonie Bush connections wastes time and is too difficult to prove. Scare tactics that get seniors to send in money is elder abuse and should be the route taken. Just shut them down, one at a time, as quickly as possible. Look how one law suit has got people refusing to show the Sinclair program.
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George_S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:16 AM
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23. Gary Jarmin and Richard Viguerie
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 07:17 AM by George_S
The Council for National Policy connection:

Gary Jarmin -CNP Membership Directory (1984-85, 1988, 1996, 1999). Legislative Director, Christian Voice, a front for the Unification Church; Lobbyist and political consultant in Washington, D.C.; President of Jar-Mon Consultants, Inc., a firm specializing in political activism, election campaigns and foreign policy matters in East Asia; designed and directed registration drive in 1884 for American Coalition for Traditional Values; Chaired Christians for Reagan campaign in 1980 and 1984; former legislative director, Freedom Leadership Foundation.

"Christian Voice pioneered the use of 'moral report cards' to rate Congressional and presidential candidates on issues from abortion to sanctions against Rhodesia. The organization was started in California in 1976 under the name Citizens United. In August 1978, the group changed its name to American Christians United and in October 1978 to Christian Voice, Inc. The original Christian Voice directorate consisted of Rev. Robert Grant, a graduate of Rev. Steuart McBirnie's California Institute of Theology, Gary Jarmin, a long time right-wing lobbyist and former disciple of Rev. Sun Myung Moon, and Colonel Donor (Colonel is his first name, not a military title)...In 1988, an investigative news feature on CBS' 'West 57th" documented McBirnie's history of fraudulent financial dealings and featured elderly followers whom he has allegedly swindled by refusing to pay thousands of dollars of loans.

"In 1987, leaders of the Christian Right formed the American Freedom Coalition (AFC)...Robert Grant an AFC founder and president of Christian Voice. With initial funding from the Unification Church, the AFC signified a merger between about 30 Christian Voice field organizers and the state representatives of Moon's American Constitution Committee. At the August 1987 kick-off rally for the American Freedom Coalition in Washington, D.C., Moon's top aide Bo Hi Pak praised the 'marriage' between Christian Voice and the American Constitution Committee and said it 'shows what a great sense of humor God has.'

"As with other Moonie-influenced New Right projects, the AFC was organized in such a way as to obscure Moonie domination. The original officers included Christian Voice President, Robert Grant, black civil rights leader Ralph Abernathy, Richard Viguerie, and Richard Ichord (D-MO) and Bob Wilson (R-CA). After their poor results in the 1986 Congressional elections, Christian Voice leaders, Robert Grant and Gary Jarmin had concluded that Christians alone could not steer the country rightward. To be politically effective, they argued, Christians would have to be 'unequally yoked' with non-believers and even enemies of Christianity...

"In May 1988, Grant was invited as the keynote speaker for the annual conference of the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations (ABN), which included many of the same anti-Semitic East European émigré groups recruited by (CNP member) David Balsiger's RAMBO Coalition . With headquarters in Munich and chapters throughout Europe and the United States, the ABN is nostalgic for the days when the Nazis occupied Eastern Europe. Scott Anderson and John Lee Anderson, authors of Inside the League, describe the ABN as: 'the largest and most important umbrella for Nazi collaborators in the world...A prime criterion for membership appears to be fealty to the cause of National Socialism; ABN officers constitute a virtual Who's Who of those responsible for the massacre of millions of civilians in the bloodiest war in history.'

Grant's public association with Nazi sympathizers drew no storm of criticism from fellow evangelicals."

and:

"For an overview on 'race and intelligence,' Murray and Herrnstein recommend two books by three Pioneer Fund recipients: Audrey Shuey, Frank C. J. McGurk, and R. Travis Osborne. McGurk is the main authority they cite to 'prove' that IQ tests are not racially biased. He was one of the 'scientific' mainstays of the segregationist movement in the southern US. In 1959 McGurk and Shuey became leading members of the International Association for the Advancement of Ethnology and Eugenics, first publisher of Mankind Quarterly. Other members included Senator Jesse Helms and the oil billionaire Hunt brothers. Arch-racists in the South introduced Shuey's book in court during the 1960s to argue for continuing school segregation and denying the vote to black people. University of Georgia professor Osborne also testified in court against school integration. Osborne was still, in 1992, trying to prove the long-discarded theory that brain size is somehow related to intelligence."

"Henry Garrett, Chair of Psychology at Columbia University from 1941 to 1955. A Virginia born segregationist, Garrett was a key witness defending segregation in the landmark case Brown v. Board of Education in 1954. During the 1950s and 1960s, Garrett helped to distribute grants for the Pioneer Fund and was one of the founders of the International Association for the Advancement of Eugenics and Ethnology (IAAEE) in 1959. The IAAEE brought together academic defenders of segregation in the USA and apartheid in South Africa. The Pioneer Fund supported the IAAEE and other institutions working to legitimise race-science, including the IAAEE's journal, The Mankind Quarterly."

Senator Helms has been chairman of the Senate Agriculture Committee, Chairman, Subcommittee on Western Hemisphere Affairs of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Chairman of the Senate Steering Committee, a member of the Council of 56 of the Religious Roundtable, a member of the Executive Committee of America Cause, in 1975, along with Spruille Braden and Dr. Edward Teller - both members of the CFR, a member of the Committee on Conservative Alternatives - discussed earlier, Director of the American Conservative Union in 1978-1979, a member of the Organizing Committee of the Citizen's Legal Defense fund for the FBI Ad Hoc - discussed previously, a Trustee of America's Future - a network of the "Establishment", associated with the Committee for the Survival of a Free Congress, an "endorser" of the Unification Church spawned Washington Times, and according to high placed sources, a member of the CFR in 1972! 84.

The National Congressional Club is Jesse Helms' PAC based in Raleigh and was directed by Helms' senior advisor, attorney Tom Ellis. Ellis was the second president of the CNP and former director of the Pioneer Fund, a foundation which finances efforts to prove that African-Americans are genetically inferior to whites. The Congressional Club began after the 1972 Senate campaign, when Ellis retained Richard Viguerie to help pay off the Helms campaign debt. Ellis and Viguerie built the Congressional Club mailing list to more than 300,000 regular contributors -- a constituency for Helms and a major financial resource within the conservative movement...Helms has used his political organization to build connections with New Right and conservative political activists. Besides Viguerie, Phillips, and Dolan connections, Helms is actively represented in Paul Weyrich's coordinating groups.

http://watch.pair.com/database1.html

And that connects to the rathergate.com conspiracty to take control of the media:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2400623

So we've come full circle again.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #23
29. Yup, back to rathergate now - nice catch (nt)
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #29
30. kick - now time for work (nt)
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #23
105. 'Richard Viguerie' is a direct-mail op ( just like Response Dynamics)
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 12:47 AM
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106. Richard Viguerie is also a CNP member
Richard Viguerie is also a CNP member

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.t-v.htm
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #106
108. Richard Viguerie in Falls Church, VA
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #108
109. Richard Viguerie Book - "The New Right We're Ready to Lead"
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #108
110. Falls Church, VA is the center of MANY Moon Front Groups! (holly sh*t)
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:23 AM
Response to Reply #110
116. We need FEC info on Moon front groups donating to Bush or Republican
Party.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:29 AM
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31. Response Dynamics
You mentioned that the name of Response Dynamics appears at the bottom of the Social Security scam letter. I found something online about a DNC complaint against them with the FEC in 1996. (I assume that, being offical government stuff, it's okay to quote the whole thing):

http://www.fec.gov/press/mur1220.htm
DECEMBER 20, 1996
The Federal Election Commission has made public its final action on seven matters previously under review (MURs).

1. MUR 3638/3578

RESPONDENTS:
# (a) National Security Political Action Committee, Elizabeth I. Fediay, treasurer (DC) <3638>
# (b) Republican Challengers Committee, Robert E. Miller, Jr., treasurer (CA) <3638/3578>
# (c) Presidential Victory Committee, Robert E. Miller, Jr., treasurer (DC) <3638/3578>
# (d) Mrs. Wesley West (TX) <3578>
# (e) Floyd Brown (DC) <3638>
# (f) Response Dynamics, Inc. (VA) <3638>
# (g) Direct Response Data Management Service, Inc. (VA) <3638>
# (h) American Telephone Marketing Group, Inc. (VA) <3638>
# (i) The Best Lists, Inc. (VA) <3638>
# (j) American Graphic Design, Inc. (VA) <3638>
# (k) MidAmerica Printing Company, Inc. (VA) <3638>
# (l) Fulfillment Management Services, Inc. (VA) <3638>

COMPLAINANT: Democratic National Committee, Carol Darr, Esq. and Eric D. London, Esq. (DC) <3638/3578>

SUBJECT: Corporate contributions; excessive contributions; failure to disclose affiliated committees; failure to report debts accurately; submitted reports signed by someone other than treasurer; failure to report contributions and debts

DISPOSITION:
a) Probable cause to believe, but took no further action* <re:corporate contributions>
Reason to believe, but took no further action* <re: failure to accurately report debts; failure to disclose affiliated committees; excessive contributions>

(b) Probable cause to believe, but took no further action* <re: corporate contributions>
Reason to believe, but took no further action* <re: failure to disclose affiliated committees; excessive contributions>

(c) Reason to believe, but took no further action* <re: excessive contributions; submitted reports signed by someone other than treasurer>
No reason to believe* <re: failure to report contributions and debts; corporate contributions>

(d) Reason to believe, but took no further action* <re: excessive contributions>
Sent admonishment letter.

(e) Took no action*

(f) Probable cause to believe, but took no further action* <re: corporate contributions>

-------------

It looks like the first five names were directly associated with a political campaign, and that Response Dynames and the names after it were all hired as part of the fundraising operation. Many of those names seem to be connect with Response Dynamics -- a Center for Public Integrity listing of "Expenditures to individuals and organizations affiliated with Response Dynamics, Inc. and related firms from College Republican National Committee, Inc." (http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=com&orgid=7135&comid=101r) includes Fulfillment Management Services, MidAmerica Printing, Direct Response Data Management, and Best Lists.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:47 AM
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33. The National Security Political Action Committee and Willie Horton
The Willie Horton ad was 1988, and the NSPAC case involving Response Dynamics was 1996, so I don't think there's a direct connection. But I'm going to try to find out more.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/political_action_committees.htm
The National Security PAC spent $8.5 million on a campaign that simply attacked the presidential candidate Michael Dukakis (the so-called Willie Horton television advertisements) on behalf of George Bush, the Republican candidate in the 1988 campaign.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Willie_Horton
Beginning on September 21, 1988, the Americans for Bush arm of the National Security Political Action Committee, began running a commercial entitled "Weekend Passes," using the Horton case to attack Dukakis. The ad was produced by media consultant Larry McCarthy, who had previously worked for Ailes. After clearing the ad with television stations, McCarthy went back and added a menancing mug shot of Horton, who is African-American. He called the image "every suburban mother's greatest fear." The ad was run as an independent expenditure, and the Bush campaign claimed not to have had any role in its production.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pubs/law_bagtricks/loop4.asp
The similarities between the NSPAC ad and Bush's own TV spots, as well as a connection between a NSPAC employee and a Bush communications expert, spawned allegations that there was coordination between the Bush campaign and NSPAC. While the allegations were never proven, the questions that arose tainted the presidential election.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 11:02 AM
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37. Elizabeth Fediay
This piece on CBS's exposure of the ties between NSPAC and the Bush I campaign is from a right-wing debunking site, so make allowances for the spin:

http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2002/cyb20020108.asp
In a CBSNews.com good-bye salute to Eric Engberg, who retired from CBS News as of last week, Dick Meyer, his long-time producer, boasted: "His reporting led to the only criminal conviction the government made stick on Oliver North. Engberg connected the infamous Willie Horton ads used against Michael Dukakis in 1988 to the Bush campaign, after years of obsessed sleuthing (and he’s taking the files with him to Florida)."

<snip>

Engberg told how Candace Strother, a "shadowy political intelligence operative," coordinated anti-Dukakis research at the Republican National Committee, and how she may have broken federal election law by contacting Elizabeth Fediay, the head of National Security PAC. Claimed Engberg: "When the Federal Election Commission conducted a limited investigation into that ad last year, Fediay's TV producer said a key source he used to write the ad was newspaper clippings he believed were obtained at the Library of Congress. But a check by CBS News revealed that one of the principal sources he listed, a newspaper from Massachusetts, was not available at the Library of Congress. There was one place in Washington where the clippings from that newspaper were readily available: the Bush campaign files."

A memo from the FEC's General Counsel, Lawrence M. Noble, details a tip he received from an anonymous caller claiming to be a GOP insider. The caller said: 'Candace Strother gave the material and information gathered on Willie Horton to Lily Fediay so the Bush campaign would not be connected to a racist ad.' "



I also suspect that Elizabeth/Lily Fediay must be connected with Victor Fediay:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0915463776/103-1982766-2077467?v=glance&vi=excerpt
The idea of a conservative research organization surfaced in 1968 when James Lucier, an assistant to Senator Strom Thurmond (R-S.C.), introduced Paul Weyrich to Victor Fediay, an analyst at the Library of Congress. Fediay kept talking about the need for some kind of "outside" organization that would provide studies about current issues for senators. The three conservatives agreed that conservative senators were often unable to get a grip on key issues for want of information, while liberal senators could always depend on the Brookings Institution. But, Fediay argued, what was needed was not a conservative think tank but a research firm that would provide conservatively oriented materials gratis to members of Congress and would charge corporations a fee for the same materials. Throughout that year, Lucier, Weyrich, and Fediay expounded their idea to corporate representatives whenever they could but were unable to spark any serious interest.

Eventually, Joseph Coors got involved, and that, boys and girls, was the start of the Heritage Foundation. (Go read the rest of the book excerpt. You won't regret it.)
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 11:18 AM
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40. More on Victor Fediay -- ouch!
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 12:01 PM by starroute
I'm not sure if I'm following a red herring or digging out essential information -- but either way, this is just too fascinating to pass up. The World Anti-Communist League (of which CAL was the Latin American chapter) was connected with Moon from the very beginning, and most of the other people mentioned below (Helms, Graham, Sandoval) were part of the WACL/Moon/fascism complex that keeps coming up over and over again in our investigations.

But boy, we need to know whether Victor is related to Elizabeth!


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/ReaganContraCommit_TICC.html

In 1980 the incoming Reagan administration had links to the Latin American chapters of WACL, not just through P-2, but even more directly through Republican Senator Jesse Helms. Indeed Helms became a focal point for U.S. intelligence and Republican connections to CAL in Latin America, following a visit in 1975 to WACL headquarters in Taiwan. Helms also travelled to Argentina (via a WACL Conference in Rio) in April 1975; and at least two of his aides, Ramon Molina and Nat Hamrick returned, along with Daniel Graham, in early 1976, shortly before the Argentine generals' coup of March 24.

<snip>

The presence on the 1975 Helms delegation of two other associates (Victor Fediay and J. Evetts Haley), and the subsequent involvement of Daniel Graham, may help explain why the relatively inexperienced Senator from North Carolina (he had been elected in 1972) would involve himself in an Argentinian military takeover. In 1975 Fediay (a Russian emigre and prewar Polish fascist) and Haley (a Texas rancher) had just helped with Richard Allen to broker a request (which was eventually turned down) for U.S. backing behind a Eurofascist secessionist coup in the Azores (sponsored by the so-called Aginter-Presse intelligence service, with which delle Chiaie was affiliated). One can imagine that the message to the Argentine military was similar: the U.S. could support a military take-over, perhaps even death squads and terrorists like delle Chiaie, but only if the Lopez Rega connection to the newly forming Fascist International in 1975 was eliminated.

This U.S.-Argentine connection in 1975-76 (Helms, Molina, Hamrick, Richard Stone, and Daniel Graham) would become the hard core Reagan-Sandoval-contra connection after 1980. We have seen how Graham and Singlaub assured Guatemalans in 1979 that "Mr. Reagan recognizes that a good deal of dirty work needs to be done."



http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/roswell018.html

Philip Corso: I was part of Project Paperclip with General Trudeau. There's an example in the book. In the middle of the book there's a photograph of Edward O'Connor, one of Truman's poker-playing buddies at the White House -- he was a Soviet expert -- and General Trudeau, myself and Victor Fediay of the Library of Congress, who spoke fluent Russian.


On edit: Fediay was also involved with Jesse Helms on investigating the downing of KAL flight 007 in 1983. (This was the incident in which Larry McDonald died. He was the head of the John Birch Society and a member of the board of both Christian Voice and the CNP.) The Russians said they'd shot it down by accident, but right-wing conspiracy theorists, led by Helms, were determine to prove there was more going on. The article calls Fediay a "senior defense-intelligence analyst."

http://www.rescue007.org/faq.htm#1
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #31
44. Floyd Brown's Presidential Victory Committee and David Bossie
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 12:12 PM by starroute
David Bossie, Vast Right-Wing Conspirator of the Week
http://www.americanpolitics.com/050798DISpatch.html

In 1992, Bossie was working for the right-wing organization Citizens United (the group that "invented" Willie Horton). As executive director of Citizens United chairman Floyd Brown's "Presidential Victory Committee," he used taped conversations allegedly between then-Governor Bill Clinton and Gennifer Flowers as part of an advertising and "800" number scheme to smear Clinton. The tapes have since been discredited because they were edited and doctored. A direct mailing from Citizens United using this material was made to look as if it were an "official" mailing from Bush campaign -- and the Bush people alerted the FEC to the mailings in an effort to stop them!

Bossie spent a great deal of time in 1992 in Arkansas, digging dirt on Clinton. David Corn reports in the May 6, 1998 issue of Salon that "at one point, Bossie got into a fistfight in Arkansas with a private detective who claimed Bossie had welshed on a $10,000 payment for anti-Clinton material."

<snip>

Not long into the Clinton Presidency, Citizens United produced the video "Clinton Chronicles," based largely on dirt Bossie had been digging in Arkansas. The video, filled with a plethora of factual errors and uncorroborated or disproven rumors, has been almost completely discredited.


http://archives.cjr.org/year/94/3/whitewater.asp

Bossie, the twenty-eight-year-old political director for Citizens United, a conservative Republican operation, runs an information factory whose Whitewater production lines turn out a steady stream of tips, tidbits, documents, factoids, suspicions, and story ideas for the nation's press and for Republicans on Capitol Hill. Journalists and Hill Republicans have recycled much of the information provided by Citizens United into stories that have cast a shadow on the Clinton presidency.

Bossie, who says he works sixteen hours a day on Whitewater, earned his Republican stripes as the national youth director in Senator Robert Dole's 1988 presidential campaign, and then moved on during the 1992 Bush campaign to become executive director of the Presidential Victory Committee. His boss, Floyd Brown, worked as Dole's Midwest political director during the 1988 campaign, but is best known for producing the Willie Horton commercial that helped sink the presidential ambitions of Democrat Michael Dukakis.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:26 PM
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45. A note on Citizens United
The names of Citizens United and Citizens United Foundation keep coming up, so I thought a few details were in order.


http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Citizens_United

Citizens United has worked in these areas:

- Supporting tax cuts, missile defense, and school vouchers.

- Opposing US participation in the United Nations and the International Criminal Court.

- Opposing campaign financing reform.

- Smearing Clinton.

- Supporting the Iraq War.

- Opposing George Soros.

- Boycotting France.

- Trying to censor Fahrenheit 911.


David N. Bossie is the president of Citizens United. Floyd G. Brown is the chairman of the board and is also the executive director of Young America's Foundation. Ron Robinson is a director and is also president of Young America's Foundation.

In short, it turns out that Research Dynamics is part of a nexus that includes the main Republican dirty tricksters going back to 1988. It's starting to look like that FEC decision of 1996 *was* about the Willie Horton ad complaints, and that it just took eight years to resolve (?) it.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #45
58. kick and back to work :( (nt)
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:00 AM
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107. Response Dynamics direct mail op VA - Viguerie direct mail also VA
Viguerie, R. (1981). The New Right: We're ready to lead. Falls Church, VA: The Viguerie Company.

http://www.wfu.edu/~louden/Political%20Communication/Bibs/DirectMail.html
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:39 AM
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32. More Revelations about National Center for Public Policy.!
National Center for Public Policy Research

The National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR) began operations in 1982. It was created to present the conservative perspective on issues of significant public concern. As its first project, it exposed human rights abuses by the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. It then fought against a proposed "nuclear freeze" and began supporting the Reagan Administration's policies regarding Central America. It now calls itself a "communications and research foundation dedicated to providing free market solutions to today's public policy problems."

Table of contents
1 History
2 Personnel
3 Funders
4 Affiliated organizations
5 Contact information
6 External links

History

In 1997, NCPPR opposed action on global warming at an international summit in Kyoto, Japan. It established the Kyoto Earth Summit Information Center, issued an "Earth Summit Fact Sheet" and fed anti-treaty quotes to the media through a "free interview locator service" that offered "assistance to journalists seeking interviews with leading scientists, economists and public policy experts on global warming."

Following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, NCPPR began using the rhetoric of anti-terrorism to attack environmentalists. In May 2002, it created the Envirotruth web site, to attack what it called the "jihad" that environmental activists are waging against corporations. <1>

Personnel
Office bearers:

* Amy Moritz Ridenour Chairman/President was paid $155,00 in 2002.
* Jack Abramoff Director
* Jay W. Timmons Director
* David A. Ridenour Vice-President/Secretary was paid $130,000 in 2002.

Staff:

* David Almasi, director of Project 21
* Christopher Burger, program coordinator
* John Carlisle
* Candace C. Crandall, Adjunct Fellow <2> (wife of S. Fred Singer)
* Gerald Marsh, Science Advisor
* Tom Randall
* Amy Moritz Ridenour, president,

Funders

* Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc.
* Carthage Foundation
* Castle Rock Foundation
* Earhart Foundation
* John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
* Sarah Scaife Foundation

In 2002 ExxonMobil donated $30,000 for "educational activities" and a further $15,000 for general support. <3> In 2003 the company boosted its general operating support to $25,000 with another $30,000 for 'global climate change/EnviroTruth website".<4>

According to the organizations 2002 IRS return total revenue was $6.6 million, with $399,080 spent on fundraising consultancy fees to a Virginia direct mail company, Response Dynamics.<5>

While NCPPR is keen to scrutinise the fundraising and advocacy of organisations it disagrees with it has come in for criticism itself. In 1998, the San Francisco Examiner reporter Diana Walsh reviewed the rise of direct mail campaigns using scare tactics to raise funds from senior citizens. Walsh reported that in one four month period, 86 year old senior citizen, Faye Shelby, received 685 letters from 78 organizations. 160 of the fundraising pitches were from NCPPR.

Amy Moritz Ridenour told the Examiner that donors received up to a dozen letters a month and that an emotional pitch was vital to raising funds. "People seem to respond better to emotion than they do with letters that have lots and lots of facts,” she said.

Affiliated organizations

* NCPPR's projects include Project 21, a conservative African American organization that opposes affirmative action and the minimum wage and has issued news releases in support of genetically modified foods. Project 21 has been funded by R.J. Reynolds, and it has lobbied in support of tobacco industry interests, opposing FDA regulation of the industry, excise taxes and other government policies to reduce tobacco use.
* NCPPR's Ridenour sits on the board of directors of Black America's PAC

Contact information

National Center for Public Policy Research
777 N. Capitol St. NE #803
Washington, D.C. 20002
Phone: (202) 371-1400
Fax: (202) 408-7773
Email: [email protected]
http://www.nationalcenter.org/

External links

* http://www.mediatransparency.org/search_results/info_on_any_recipient.php?recipientID=682
* Diana Walsh, “The Fear Merchants,” San Francisco Examiner, February 8, 1998, p. A1.


http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=National_Center_for_Public_Policy_Research


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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 11:39 AM
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41. Jack Abramoff donated to Charlie Gerow in 2000
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 11:39 AM by starroute
And Charlie Gerow, of course, is the head of Quantum Communications who was probably the real producer of "Stolen Honor." See my posts at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1024263#1041647

http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/ContributorsAndPaybacks/pioneer_profile.cfm?pioneer_ID=834

Jack Abramoff’s long GOP career includes stints chairing the College Republican National Committee, sitting on the Republican National Committee and heading Reagan lobby group Citizens for America (see David Carmen). This orthodox Jew helped build the political power of the Christian Coalition and Pioneer Ralph Reed. He ostensibly founded the International Freedom Foundation (IFF) in 1985. But South Africa’s truth commission revealed in 1995 that the apartheid regime helped launch the IFF, paying it $1.5 million a year to burnish its pariah image and to smear Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress. After lending apartheid a happy face, Abramoff became a film producer. Working with IFF supporter Duncan Sellars, Abramoff produced Red Scorpion, the 1995 flick about ethnic-cleansing Aryans. Red Scorpion debuted at the time of the GOP’s takeover of Congress and Abramoff became a lobbyist at Preston Gates Ellis & Rouvelas, hitting the jackpot pushing Indian casinos. After he and several partners bought riverboat gambling company SunCruz Casinos in 2000, two of the partners began to feud. SunCruz went bankrupt after partner Konstantinos “Gus” Boulis got run off the road and shot to death in 2001 in a rumored mob hit. Abramoff is active with several other Pioneers in the K Street Project, in which GOP lobbyists harness their clout and that of their clients to advance the GOP’s agenda.


Hmmm -- interesting that Abramoff was chairman of the College Republican National Committee. That's a link back to Research Dynamics.

And wow -- Gerow's contributers also included Ronald Robinson of Young America's Foundation. His name came up on the previous thread as praising someone who had previously worked for Research Dynamics. (http://www.hspdirect.com/paul.htm)

Are we starting to see a pattern here?
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #41
103. Abramhoff is also CNP member
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:52 AM
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34. Regarding LaHaye
You need to go back to his early nonfiction books. To many people he is primarily seen as the Left Behind series author, but if you go back to back to his 1970's and 80's stuff, it is dominionist/delusional/downright scary. Find the nasty stuff he wrote about schools and teachers (how many million in the US) and broadcast wide and far. I've got one of his books here.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 11:00 AM
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36. And Links of Amy Moritz Ridenour, Gary Jarmin (Paula Jones & Other
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 11:02 AM by KoKo01
activities she is involved in) She seems to get around when she isn't targeting Senior Citizens with threatening mail...

What's surprising is that she was the one pushing for "Victims Rights" which was a conservative "cover" for getting Paula Jones in the spotlight for the Clinton Impeachment when NOW was slow to come to her defense. Ridenour's other activities were exposing Russia's treatment of Afghan Women, and trying to stop the McCain/Fiengold Campaign Finance Reform and trashing Al Gore.

==============================================================
WHO IS: AMY MORTIZ RIDENOUR and what Groups does she associate with...

Snip from the article "Fear Merchants" exposing targeting of Senior Citizens by mail...


The uses of bugbears

Frequently, the groups create villains for their fund-raising appeals. In past years it was Ted Kennedy. Currently popular targets of vitriol are Bill and Hillary Clinton, linked to everything from drug dealers to murder to endangering programs for the elderly.

Amy Moritz Ridenour, president of the National Center for Public Policy Research, says that emotional pitches get results, and insists that would-be donors don't want the details.

"It's just that you're competing with a lot of other organizations. People seem to respond better to emotion than they do with letters that have lots and lots of facts," said Moritz, who said her letters were written by a direct-mail firm, Response Dynamics, but read by her before they were sent. "You have to give something that is light enough that people will be willing to read it upon receipt. . . . If they don't read it right at that moment, all the studies show they never will."

She said the center used to write explicit letters about her plans for the donations, but the pleas went unanswered.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/a/1998/02/08/NEWS3642.dtl&type=printable


=====================================================================

Conservatives to Bush: Veto It! Senate's Passage of McCain- Feingold 'Reform' Measure Decried by Broad Conservative Coalition

3/20/2002

From: Ian Walters of the American Conservative Union, 703-836-8602, ext. 16

ALEXANDRIA, Va., March 20 -- Minutes after Senate passage of the unconstitutional McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance "Reform" legislation, American Conservative Union Chairman David A. Keene sent a letter co-signed by more than sixty Conservative leaders urging President George W. Bush to veto the measure.

In the letter, the coalition faults the Congress for not doing its job: "It is a travesty that so many Members of Congress -- on both sides of the aisle -- seem to have either forgotten about or chose to intentionally ignore their oaths to 'support and defend the Constitution.'" The letter reminds the President that the Congressional obligation was to, "fashion something that is fair, effective and, yes, Constitutional...Congress had its chance...and failed."

The letter goes on to encourage the President to stand up for the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: "If you believe the proposed restrictions won't pass muster by a Supreme Court that actually believes in free speech, please, do everyone a favor by vetoing it."

The text of the letter appears below. The letter can also be found in .pdf format at http://www.conservative.org/

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President George W. Bush 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W. Washington D.C. 20500

March 20, 2002

Dear Mr. President:

On behalf of the nearly one million members and supporters of the American Conservative Union, and the millions more represented by those groups who have co-signed this letter, we are writing to urge you to veto the ill-conceived and unconstitutional Campaign Finance "Reform" bill, passed by the House last month, and the U.S. Senate this afternoon.


It is a travesty that so many Members of Congress-on both sides of the aisle- seem to have either forgotten about or chose to intentionally ignore their oaths to "support and defend the Constitution" when they cast their votes on this legislation. It is, frankly, sad that such an affront to freedom has actually made it to the desk of the President of the United States.

-SNIP-

The bill making its way to your desk completely redefines political speech and outlaws or criminalizes speech that every American has always believed to be protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution. Looked at from our perspective, you are being asked to sign a bill that tells those who might want to criticize the actions of politicians to just shut up.

We understand fully the reasons why you have taken the position up to now that Congress could not count on a Presidential veto on this legislation and must therefore work to fashion something that is fair, effective and, yes, Constitutional. Well, Congress had its chance ... and failed.
-SNIP-
If there was ever a time to use the veto pen this is it. We urge you to veto this legislation.
-snip-
Yours Sincerely,

(NOTE:CHECK OUT THE NAMES AND ORGANIZATIONS OF THE SIGNERS...ROGUE'S GALLERY, INDEED!)

David A. Keene, Chairman, American Conservative Union Paul Beckner, Citizens for a Sound Economy Thomas P. Kilgannon, Freedom Alliance Ward Connerly, American Civil Rights Institute Grover Norquist, Americans for Tax Reform Ken Connor, Family Research Council L. Brent Bozell, Conservative Victory Committee Morton Blackwell, Conservative Leadership PAC Eric M. Licht, President, Coalitions for America William Mellor, General Counsel, Institute for Justice J.P. Backlin, Legislative Director, Christian Coalition Craig Shirley, Craig Shirley & Associates Mark R. Levin, Landmark Legal Foundation Gary Aldrich, CNP Action, Inc Kellyanne Conway, The Polling Company / Woman Trend Alan M. Gottlieb, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Charles W. Jarvis, United Seniors Association Lewis K. Uhler, National Tax Limitation Committee Bruce W. Eberle, Eberle Communications Group Jim Martin, 60 Plus Association Andrea Lafferty, Traditional Values Coalition Tom Phillips, President, Phillips PAC Cleta Mitchell, Attorney, Washington D.C. John Berthoud, National Taxpayers Union David Keating, Club for Growth Advocacy Jeff Hollingsworth, The National Conservative Campaign Fund Fred L. Smith Jr., President, Competitive Enterprise Institute James C. Roberts, American Studies Center Richard A. Viguerie, ConservativeHQ.com Richard Norman, The Richard Norman Company David M. Bossie, Citizens United Audrey Mullen, Patriot PAC Elaine Donnelly, Center for Military Readiness Chuck Muth, Republican Liberty Caucus Robert Funk, American Shareholders Association Bob Johnson, Chairman, Free Republic Network Amy Ridenour, The National Center for Public Policy Research(a) Allen Roth, New York State Conservative Party Young Conservatives of Texas, David B. Kopel Marc Levin, Columnist, National Review Online(a) Austin Ruse, Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute(a) Shaun Marie Levine, Executive Director, Conservative Party of New York Edwin Moore, James Madison Institute(a) Steve Baldwin, CNP Action, Inc. Jennifer Holder, NoInternetTax.org Larry Pratt, Gun Owners of America D. Eric Schippers, Center for Individual Freedom David Almasi, Director of Project 21(a) Charles W. Baird, Director, The Smith Center Joan L. Hueter, American Council for Immigration Reform Star Parker, Coalition on Urban Renewal & Education Jake Haulk, Allegheny Institute for Public Policy(a) James Parmelee, Republicans United for Tax Relief John Taylor, Virginia Institute of Public Policy(a) Brandon Dutcher, Oklahoma Council for Public Affairs(a) Gary Jarmin, Christian Voice Farha Ahmed, Muslim American Republican Caucus Greg Kaza, Arkansas Policy Foundation(a) Larry Cirigano, CatholicVote.org Richard Falknor, Maryland Taxpayers Association Gerry Dickinson, South Carolina Policy Council Education Foundation(a) Darrell McKigney, Small Business Survival Committee R. N. Dwight Patel, Director, Association of Concerned Taxpayers Julie Versnel, American Political Action Committee

(Note a: Organization listed for identification purposes only.)

http://www.scienceblog.com/community


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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #36
42. Craig Shirley's name jumped out at me from that list of signers
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Craig_Shirley

According to Joe Conason, some of Shirley's more notable former clients were "Paula Jones, the Clinton sexual harassment accuser who later modeled for Penthouse; and Gary Aldrich, the retired White House FBI agent whose fabricated tales of Clinton motel trysts and pornographic West Wing Christmas trees made his book a bestseller."

<snip>

In 1988, according to Joe Conason, Craig Shirley was involved in the production of the infamous race-baiting Willie Horton advertisement, which helped finish off Michael Dukakis's campaign.

Conason says that "The Horton ad appeared not as part of the Bush-Quayle campaign, whose strategists shied away from such obvious racism, but under the auspices of a shadowy organization called 'Americans for Bush'. According to testimony filed with the Federal Election Commission, which investigated the financing and planning of the Horton ad in 1990, the ad's actual creators included Brown and Shirley... (FEC commissioners and investigators strongly suspected unlawful collusion between Bush-Quayle and Americans for Bush, but Republican members of the commission quickly killed the probe.)"
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #42
51. I didn't just bring up Craig Shirley casually
A story quoted at (forgive me) Free Republic had a Kerry spokesman linking Carlton Sherwood directly to Shirley's firm:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212098/posts

While the stories of the POWs sounded legitimate, the Kerry campaign warned that the group has a shady history.

"This group is the poor, distant cousin of the Swift Boat Veterans for Bush," said Mark Nevins, a spokesman for the campaign. "It’s comprised of people with questionable backgrounds whose sole mission in life is to smear John Kerry."

Nevins pointed out that Sherwood, who also narrates in the film, was arrested for illegally taping a conversation in 1983 and falsely accused the Vietnam veterans of mishandling the $9 million they were granted to build the Vietnam War Memorial in 1984.

Nevins also suggested Sherwood was another right-wing conspirator who hired Republican public relations firm Shirley and Bannister to help market their product.



One of the biggest questions all along has been who really funded "Stolen Honor." It clearly wasn't (as Sherwood claims) just a handful of disgruntled Vietnam vets pooling their lunch money -- especially not if these were the people who sent a cameraman over to Vietnam six months ago to browbeat the peasants into badmouthing Kerry.

We seem to be coming up with one connection after between "Stolen Honor" and the Citizens United/Willie Horton/smear Clinton people. (Recall also that Sherwood's Moon whitewash was published by Alfred Regnery, who published both Gary Aldrich's anti-Clinton book and the Swiftboaties' "Unfit for Command.")

On the other side, those same people tie in to Gary Jarmin -- and Jarmin ties in with Bush. So if we're lucky, we could wind up with a twofer, linking both "Stolen Honor" *and* Jarmin's scamming to the Bush campaign. Here's hopin'.
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #51
146. Craig Shirley appears to co-hort with CNP (probably a member)
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #51
148. Republican public relations firm - Shirley and Bannister
"these veterans of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" against the Clintons are now launching the first wave of "independent" commercial attacks on John Kerry"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1049628
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #148
201. kick
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #42
54. Good Catch...especially since Amy Ridenour & NCPPR were helping Paula
by getting Conservative women's groups to support her as a "Victim." So there's definitely a connection with all these people. From my research it seems they all work together to push Conservative policy. There are ties to Gingrich and all the "usual suspects" but the dark side of funding by Moon must be kept hidden..(if they are funded by Moon). Seems NCPPR might be funded by the elderly they prey on with direct mail and a few conservative foundations.

Thanks for the Conasan information. NCPPR is funded in part by Mellon-Scaife's wife....so see it all ties together...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #36
46. Amy Moritz knows the vulnerability of conservative ties to Moon...
from moonwatcher:

someone asked about Amy Moritz

>>>>> 
About Moon's "connections in almost every conservative organization in Washington, including the Heritage Foundation."
 
Moritz said this on Moon ties -- "Most people are afraid to address the issue because they don't want to publicize the extent of the church's involvement," says Amy Moritz of the Conservative National Center for Public Policy Research.

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mw: 
That is why Reagan's 11th commandment is the most deceitful political tool ever devised, it gave someone like Moon cover to allow him to operate in our political system driving us right and theocratic. The conservative leadership sold their souls to Moon decades ago, and sold the country down the river to a theocratic fascist hell.
 
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 U.S News and World Report March 27, 1989
Rev. Moon's Rising Political Influence
His empire is spending big money trying to win favor with conservatives.
 
More tolerance. Through this method of recruiting, the church has established a network of affiliated organizations and connections in almost every conservative organization in Washington, including the Heritage Foundation, the largest of the conservative think tanks and an important source of government personnel during the Reagan administration. Although Heritage officials deny it, the foundation has dramatically changed its policy toward the Unification Church. In the early 80's the foundation, wary of the church's aims, prohibited staff or fellows from being associated with Unification Church organizations or taking money from the church or church-financed institutions.
 
As the Washington Times has become the voice of capital conservatives, the Heritage Foundation has become far more tolerant of church ties. The foundation accepts the participation of Lichenstein and other senior fellows in church-funded enterprises and allows its staff members to go to church conferences.
 
The Unification Church's newfound influence has occasioned intense debate among conservatives. One group of worried young conservatives meets regularly in private to compare notes about the problem. But little of the debate has surfaced in public forums. "Most people are afraid to address the issue because they don't want to publicize the extent of the church's involvement," says Amy Moritz of the Conservative National Center for Public Policy Research.
 
Because almost all conservative organizations in Washington have some ties to the church, conservatives also fear repercussions if they expose the church's role. That happened when one organization, the Capital Research Center, published a newsletter last November warning of the church's attempt to create a "centralized world theocracy." One of its board members, who was also on the board of the International Security Council, resigned in protest, and conservatives charging that the paper was creating discord on the right, besieged the center with angry calls. "We got a very, very strong reaction -- almost as if we were the enemy -- because we raised the issue," says CRC Chairman Willa Johnson, a former president of the Heritage Foundation. (U.S.News Mar. 27, 1989)
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http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon3.html
 
At times, Moon's penetration of conservative ranks has raised red flags among Republicans. In 1983, the GOP's moderate Ripon Society charged that the New Right had entered "an alliance of expediency" with Moon's church. Ripon's chairman, Rep. Jim Leach, R-Iowa, released a study which alleged that the College Republican National Committee "solicited and received" money from Moon's Unification Church in 1981. The study also accused Reed Irvine's Accuracy in Media of benefitting from low-cost or volunteer workers supplied by Moon.

Leach said the Unification Church has "infiltrated the New Right and the party it (the New Right) wants to control, the Republican Party, and infiltrated the media as well." Leach's news conference was broken up when then-college GOP leader Grover Norquist accused Leach of lying. ....

For its part, The Washington Times dismissed Leach's charges as "flummeries" and mocked the Ripon Society as a "discredited and insignificant left-wing offshoot of the Republican Party." (WP, Jan. 6, 1983)
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/unification/profit.htm
Moon's Japanese Profits Bolster Efforts in U.S.

By John Burgess and Michael Isikoff Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 16, 1984; Page A01

"With journalism, we have now reached success by establishing The Washington Times," Moon said, according to Soejima. "We now have a direct influence on Reagan through The Washington Times."

____

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon3.html 

By the mid-1980s, Moon's Unification Church had carved out a niche as an acceptable part of the American right. In one speech to his followers, Moon boasted that "without knowing it, even President Reagan is being guided by Father (Moon)."

Yet, Moon also made clear that his longer-range goal was the destruction of the U.S. Constitution and America's democratic form of government. "History will make the position of Reverend Moon clear, and his enemies, the American population and government will bow down to him," Moon said, speaking of himself in the third person. "That is Father's tactic, the natural subjugation of the American government and population."

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Ultimate compilation for Moon material here at this bartcop link...
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StlMo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 05:27 AM
Response to Reply #46
187. Like Bush, Moon is a danger to America.
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 06:19 AM by StlMo
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That is clear.

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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:01 AM
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113. Amy Ridenour article published in Washington Times (Moon Company)
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 04:39 PM
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132. The Ridenours met through Morton Blackwell -- could be important
"It's not just the fact that Reagan won the Cold War and turned the economy around, it's that we have built lives around this movement," says David Ridenour, president of the National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR), a Washington-based free-market think tank. "There are kids now who wouldn't exist but for the fact that all these connections were made. We met people from far reaches of the country who we never would have met...This is a real personal loss, as if he were a member of the family, even though I've never talked to him. That's how profoundly this is affecting all of us."

David's wife, Amy, who he met in the political trenches in the 1980s, also is pained to lose one of the men at the center of her life.

"I became CEO of a conservative organization after working on Reagan's 1980 campaign," she says. "Morton Blackwell, my boss there, suggested me when a new foundation was being set up, the NCPPR. Without that, I have no idea where I'd be. And I probably wouldn't have met my husband, and a couple of my kids wouldn't have been born."


http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200406140839.asp



Morton Blackwell, best known these days as purple-heart-bandaid-guy, is Paul Weyrich's close friend and fellow elitist.

A triumvirate of Weyrich, Larson, and Morton Blackwell (the current CNP executive director) share oversight of CNP and closely collaborate on such projects as the Conservative Leadership Conferences. While the CNP president and vice president may change from year to year, the secretary-treasurer's position had been held for years by Weyrich and more recently by Larson. Other top CNP offices have been filled by close Weyrich associates DeVos and Robert Krieble, who are members of the Free Congress Foundation board.

Blackwell and Weyrich also lead International Policy Forum (IPF), which appears to be the international parallel to CNP. The two organizations held joint meetings in St. Petersburg, Russia, in 1991 and in Romania in 1992. Blackwell has also trained rightist political forces in Latin America and Africa through IPF, notably supporters of the Pinochet military dictatorship, Argentinean rightists, and supporters of Inkatha chief Buthelezi in South Africa. It was Buthelezi's group that later attempted to create civil war in South Africa to keep apartheid policies in place. Inkatha worked with pro-apartheid and neo-nazi groups to stop the elections eventually won by Nelson Mandela. A number of IPF projects, including the Inkatha training, were aided by U.S. government funding through the National Endowment for Democracy.(20)

Meanwhile, Weyrich's Free Congress Foundation trains organizers of rightist political movements in Eastern Europe and the former USSR. His stateside advisor is Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi collaborator from World War II Hungary. R. Marc Nuttle, Pat Robertson's 1988 presidential campaign manager frequently represents Weyrich in Eastern Europe.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/Library/opposition/vol1num2/art5.htm
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #132
133. Tradition, Family, and Property linked to Blackwell, Weyrich, and Jarmin
http://www.franz-lee.org/files/pandemonium00490.html

"In Chile and other Latin American countries, the CIA helped finance the right-wing Tradition, Family and Property which played a role in the overthrow of both Allende in Chile and Goulart in Brazil. In many instances it pitted one sector of the Church against another."

Tradition, Family and Property has close ties with Heritage founder, Paul Weyrich and Morton Blackwell of the Leadership Institute, who are members of the CNP. Weyrich and Blackwell endorsed a 1993 book by Plinio Corrêa de Oliviera, on the necessity of restoring traditional nobility and elites to rule the world. Writing the Forward of "Nobility & Analogous Traditional Elites," Morton Blackwell opined: "One does not have to accept Papal infallibility to appreciate a case persuasively made, using theological, moral, and prudential arguments. This book will convince many readers, whatever their faith, that good elites are legitimate, desirable and, yes, necessary."

Paul Weyrich's endorsement appears on the dust jacket: "Sadly, most American elites are now devoted to self-interest, not to service, which is one reason why affairs here go so badly. Your book may help reawaken people to the realization that we need and can have an elite devoted to service."

In 1997, Tradition, Family and Property sponsored the Conservative Leadership Conference together with CNP affiliates/Moon fronts Christian Voice <Gary Jarmin> and Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms <Alan Gottleib> and also Citizens Against Government Waste, which was founded by American Knights of Malta President, J. Peter Grace.



It may be significant that Charlie Gerow ("Stolen Honor" guy) is the chairman of the Pennsylvania chapter of Citizens Against Government Waste. This is his one obvious link to national right-wing circles, and I've though before that it might explain why an obscure local congressional candidate would be getting funding from heavy hitters like Scaife and Jack Abramoff. But I didn't realize the organization was founded by J. Peter Grace. This is starting to get interesting.

I should point out that when we're talking about Weyrich, Blackwell, and Grace, we're in the very heart of the quasi-fascist right. These people are, if anything, even scarier than Moon. And both Jarmin and the Ridenours have direct ties to them.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #133
139. Good stuff
Folks, we have more allies behind the scenes assisting us in this effort now. VoteJohn04_com has posted the scary letters at his own sites, as well as zyos.net.

"Have the Social Security letter posted at http://www.zyos.net
and the Medicare letter posted at http://www.zyos.net/medicare
Will be adding more information there this evening hopefully."

And tomorrow I am going to find time to check out software that we might we able to use to organize and flowchart this 666 beast. Salvorhardin sent me this link for similar stuff, but my stupid dialup...well, it's stupid lol: http://jung.sourceforge.net/applet/rankingdemo.html

John

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #132
134. Jack Abramoff and Grover Norquist also fit into this picture
http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200406140839.asp

The same set of tributes to Reagan than indicates the Ridenours' link to Morton Blackwell follows them directly with Grover Norquist:

"I came down in '81 with the College Republican National Committee. I was active in the Reagan campaign in '80," Norquist remembers.

"There are quite a group of people in D.C. or in politics to this day who got involved because of Ronald Reagan's commitment to principle. We deliberately put Reagan's pictures on all the recruitment tables for the College Republicans. Prior to my being executive director and Jack Abramoff being chairman, they had this dancing elephant with a champagne glass and the slogan 'The Best Party in Town,' as if you join the Republican party the way you join a fraternity."


The same article also goes on to mention Floyd Brown and Young America's Foundation -- Brown is the Citizens United guy who produced the Willie Horton ad and is mentioned in the same FEC complaint as Response Dynamics.


So what we're getting is a daisy-chain of related figures. (All these connections are mentioned in one post or another of the current thread.)

Paul Weyrich - Morton Blackwell - J Peter Grace (CNP)
Morton Blackwell - David and Amy Ridenour
J. Peter Grace - Charlie Gerow (via Citizens Against Government Waste)

Jack Abramoff - Grover Norquist - College Republican National Committee
Jack Abramoff - Grover Norquist - Charlie Gerow (donations)
College Republican National Committee - Unification Church
College Republican National Committee - Response Dynamics

David and Amy Ridenour - Response Dynamics
Gary Jarmin - Response Dynamics
Floyd Brown - Response Dynamics - Willie Horton ad
Floyd Brown - Ron Robinson (via Citizens United and Young America's Foundation)
Rob Robinson - Response Dynamics (endorsement of former employee)
Ron Robinson - Charlie Gerow (donation)


Weyrich, Blackwood, and Grace clearly don't interact with the rabble on a day-to-day basis. And Jarmin isn't as tightly linked in as the rest -- he seems to be more in the Moon camp. But all the other names form a tight cluster, with many cross-ties, and they point to both the direct-mailing scams *and* to "Stolen Honor."
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #134
137. College Republican National Committee (link to Karl Rove!)
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 08:39 PM by starroute
Morton Blackwell was executive director on and off from 1965-70. (He also organized the youth effort for Reagan in 1980, in which Amy Ridenour took part, and then joined the White House staff.)

Karl Rove was executive director from 1970-72, then became chairman from 1973-74 after defeating Terry Dolan in a bitterly contested election. In the true spirit of Watergate, the fight was so dirty that George H.W. Bush, then Republican National Committee chairman, finally had to step in and declare Rove the winner.
George Bush announces that he is re-opening an investigation into alleged courses in political sabotage and dirty tricks taught by the GOP to college Republicans in weekend seminars during 1971 and 1972. Bush pledges to “get to the bottom” of charges that the College Republican National Committee, with 1000 campus clubs and 100,000 members nationwide, has continually and consistently provided instruction in dirty tricks and deceptive strategies.

http://www.winterboy.com/dejavu11.html

Rove introduced George H.W. Bush to Lee Atwater in 1981. He ran a direct mail consulting firm from 1981 to 1999. He still maintains friendly ties with the current College Republican National Committee.

Lee Atwater was executive director after Rove. He served as campaign manager for George H.W. Bush in 1988, at the time of the Willie Horton ad.


Jack Abramoff was national chairman from 1981-85.

Grover Norquist was executive director from 1981-83 and turned the organization into an activist force on behalf of the Reagan administration.

Ralph Reed was executive director from 1983-85.


Since 2002, the College Republican National Committee has been using Response Dynamics for direct-mail fundraising of its own. They deny that they are targeting the elderly.
Since separating from the Republican National Committee in October 2001 and becoming a Section 527 committee, the CRNC launched an aggressive direct-mail fundraising campaign that relies on thousands of individual donors. The $10 million in spending since mid-2000 puts CRNC in 11th place among the 471 committees the Center for Public Integrity analyzed.

<snip>

"Hart denied focusing on elderly donors, saying that the CRNC 'targets anyone who will give to the Republican Party. If that was college students that would give money, then they would target college students' with their mailings."


http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/report.aspx?aid=10


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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #134
140. "and to Stolen Honor"
Wow, you guys are good. Wouldn't it be nice to get a list of RD's clients :)
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 11:04 AM
Response to Original message
38. Complicated
And I'm sorry I don't have the time to help. But I'm glad you and others are on it. Thank you for taking the initiative. I hope it gels into an easy-to-understand story.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 11:16 AM
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39. kick keep up the good work! n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:03 PM
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43. More info on Amy and David Ridenour and N/C for Public Policy Research
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 01:02 PM by KoKo01
(Seems David Ridenour is working with the "Free Market" Environmental Groups while his wife Amy gives talking points to Rush Limbaugh and others, when she isn't soliciting money from frightened senior citizens.)

I think it's possible that they are using money scammed from Seniors to fund their operation along with the grants they have. Why else with their busy lives and independent funding would they need to resort to scamming the elderly? She and her husband with a staff of 9 people reported 6.9 Million in 2003...where is all this money coming from?

Quote from "Disinfopedia" about their income:

In 2002 ExxonMobil donated $30,000 for "educational activities" and a further $15,000 for general support. <3> (http://www2.exxonmobil.com/files/corporate/public_policy1.pdf) In 2003 the company boosted its general operating support to $25,000 with another $30,000 for 'global climate change/EnviroTruth website".<4> (http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/files/corporate/giving_report.pdf)

According to the organizations 2002 IRS return total revenue was $6.6 million, with $399,080 spent on fundraising consultancy fees to a Virginia direct mail company, Response Dynamics.<5> (http://guidestar.org)


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Black America's PAC | Board Of Directors
... Washington, DC. Board Member. Amy Moritz Ridenour. President and Chairman, The
National Center for Public Policy Research. Washington, DC. ...
www.bampac.org/bampac_directors.asp - 46k - Cached - Similar pages
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National Center for Public Policy Research
300 I Street NE, Ste 3
Washington, DC 20002
202-543-1286
202-543-4779 (fax) Amy Moritz, President; David Ridenour, Vice President
Founded: 1982
Staff: 9
Areas: Advice and information on US domestic affairs and international affairs

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Black America's PAC | Board Of Directors
... Washington, DC. Board Member. Amy Moritz Ridenour. President and Chairman, The
National Center for Public Policy Research. Washington, DC. ...
www.bampac.org/bampac_directors.asp - 46k - Cached - Similar pages

National Center for Public Policy Research
300 I Street NE, Ste 3
Washington, DC 20002
202-543-1286
202-543-4779 (fax) Amy Moritz, President; David Ridenour, Vice President
Founded: 1982
Staff: 9
Areas: Advice and information on US domestic affairs and international affairs

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:54:28 -0600
From: Amy Moritz <[email protected]> (by way of [email protected]

Issue 96 * June 19, 1995

The National Center for Public Policy Research
Amy Moritz, President
300 Eye Street N.E. Suite 3 * Washington, D.C. 20002
(202) 543-1286 * Fax (202) 543-4779
E-Mail: [email protected]

Activities at the June 9 Environmental Policy Task Force Meeting chaired by
David Ridenour of The National Center for Public Policy Research. Sponsored by
The National Center for Policy Research (202/543-1286).

* No, We're Not Kidding: The U.S. Ratified A Treaty To Ban the Sale of Used
Clothing

Following his introduction by R.J. Smith of the Competitive Enterprise
Institute, Dr. Ray Evans of the Western Mining Center of Australia, reported on
the Basel Convention, an international environmental trade treaty ratified by
the U.S. Senate during the Bush Administration but not yet in effect
because the
U.S. Congress has yet to pass the necessary implementing legislation.
Under the
terms of the Basel Convention the population of the world is divided into two
classes (those who are citizens of Organization for Economic Cooperation and
Development countries and those who are not, the latter group being the great
majority of the world's population), and trade in a large range of materials is
banned between those two groups. The Basel Convention Treaty would, quoting
from the treaty preamble, make certain that "hazardous wastes and other
wastes... be disposed of in the state in which they were generated."
The effect
of the Treaty would be to ban international trade in computer scrap, used car
batteries, used clothing and other items. Evans reported that implementation
would ban the $2 billion worth of used clothing that currently goes from the
U.S. to the Third World, and said that this is intentional: Greenpeace and the
European states who initiated Basel fear that used clothing might contain
minute
amounts of environmental contaminants, and thus they seek to ban this trade.
Similarly, Evans said, the conversion of First World computer scrap into other
products have become a significant job creator in India and other Third World
countries, yet this would be banned under Basel. He distributed handouts.
Contact the Competitive Enterprise Institute at 202/331-1010.

* Endangered Species Act Reforms Reviewed

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:Z1M9guCwspYJ:www.panix.com/~dc/cei/950619.rjs+Amy+Moritz+Ridenour&hl=en


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Originally posted by Eric:
The "BATTLES ARE RAGING" headlines shrieked from all the media are minor skirmishes in any other war.
More from one of our troops about the quagmire.
A soldier assures us: Our progress is amazing
By JOE ROCHE
I'm a soldier with the U.S. Army serving in the 16th Combat Engineer Battalion in Baghdad.

The news you are hearing stateside is awfully depressing and negative. The reality is we are accomplishing a tremendous amount here, and the Iraqi people are not only benefiting greatly, but are enthusiastically supportive.

Roche serves with the U.S. Army's 16th Combat Engineer Battalion in Iraq and is an adjunct fellow at the National Center for Public Policy Research, a conservative think-tank.
National Center for Public Policy Research

For those that want more info on Joe Roche and the NCPPR see below.

National Center for Public Policy Research

The National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR) was formed in the 1980s to support the Reagan administration's military adventures in Central America. It now calls itself a "communications and research foundation dedicated to providing free market solutions to today's public policy problems."

Personnel

John Carlisle
Tom Randall
Amy Moritz Ridenour, president, is described in a 1995 memo by the Philip Morris tobacco company as "a willing ally." The memo, by PM employee Francis Gomez states that she had just called his office "offering to use any information we can provide the current anti-tobacco onslaught. . . . Tom Borelli and I have both been in touch with Amy on various issues and are awaiting proposals for use of an internet website as an accessible repository of PM-related information."
David Almasi, director of Project 21

Funders
Philip Morris <1>
Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc.
Carthage Foundation
Castle Rock Foundation
Earhart Foundation
John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
Sarah Scaife Foundation

History

In 1997, NCPPR opposed action on global warming at an international summit in Kyoto, Japan. It established the Kyoto Earth Summit Information Center, issued an "Earth Summit Fact Sheet" and fed anti-treaty quotes to the media through a "free interview locator service" that offered "assistance to journalists seeking interviews with leading scientists, economists and public policy experts on global warming."

Following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, NCPPR began using the rhetoric of anti-terrorism to attack environmentalists. In May 2002, it created the envirotruth.org web site, to attack what it called the "jihad" that environmental activists are waging against corporations.

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:gYfN5fkhmvEJ:theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php%3Fubb%3Dget_topic%3Bf%3D8%3Bt%3D002242+Amy+Moritz+Ridenour&hl=en

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The National Center at Work: Some pictures of our staff... New York Mayor Rudulph Guiliani. David Ridenour testifying before the US House of Representatives. Please note: If you are seeking ...
www.project21.org/StaffPhotos.html - 9k - Cached - Similar pages





(SOME OF THE RIDENOUR'S WORK)

Issue 96 * June 19, 1995

The National Center for Public Policy Research
Amy Moritz, President
300 Eye Street N.E. Suite 3 * Washington, D.C. 20002
(202) 543-1286 * Fax (202) 543-4779
E-Mail: [email protected]

Activities at the June 9 Environmental Policy Task Force Meeting chaired by
David Ridenour of The National Center for Public Policy Research. Sponsored by
The National Center for Policy Research (202/543-1286).

* No, We're Not Kidding: The U.S. Ratified A Treaty To Ban the Sale of Used
Clothing

Following his introduction by R.J. Smith of the Competitive Enterprise
Institute, Dr. Ray Evans of the Western Mining Center of Australia, reported on
the Basel Convention, an international environmental trade treaty ratified by
the U.S. Senate during the Bush Administration but not yet in effect
because the
U.S. Congress has yet to pass the necessary implementing legislation.
Under the
terms of the Basel Convention the population of the world is divided into two
classes (those who are citizens of Organization for Economic Cooperation and
Development countries and those who are not, the latter group being the great
majority of the world's population), and trade in a large range of materials is
banned between those two groups. The Basel Convention Treaty would, quoting
from the treaty preamble, make certain that "hazardous wastes and other
wastes... be disposed of in the state in which they were generated."
The effect
of the Treaty would be to ban international trade in computer scrap, used car
batteries, used clothing and other items. Evans reported that implementation
would ban the $2 billion worth of used clothing that currently goes from the
U.S. to the Third World, and said that this is intentional: Greenpeace and the
European states who initiated Basel fear that used clothing might contain
minute
amounts of environmental contaminants, and thus they seek to ban this trade.
Similarly, Evans said, the conversion of First World computer scrap into other
products have become a significant job creator in India and other Third World
countries, yet this would be banned under Basel. He distributed handouts.
Contact the Competitive Enterprise Institute at 202/331-1010.

* Endangered Species Act Reforms Reviewed


http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:Z1M9guCwspYJ:www.panix.com/~dc/cei/950619.rjs+Amy+Moritz+Ridenour&hl=en


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(AND....THE RIDENOUR's RELEASE OF THAT FAMOUS LETTER FROM IRAQ!)


The "BATTLES ARE RAGING" headlines shrieked from all the media are minor skirmishes in any other war.
More from one of our troops about the quagmire.
A soldier assures us: Our progress is amazing
By JOE ROCHE

I'm a soldier with the U.S. Army serving in the 16th Combat Engineer Battalion in Baghdad.

The news you are hearing stateside is awfully depressing and negative. The reality is we are accomplishing a tremendous amount here, and the Iraqi people are not only benefiting greatly, but are enthusiastically supportive.


Roche serves with the U.S. Army's 16th Combat Engineer Battalion in Iraq and is an adjunct fellow at the National Center for Public Policy Research, a conservative think-tank.
National Center for Public Policy Research

For those that want more info on Joe Roche and the NCPPR see below.

National Center for Public Policy Research

The National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR) was formed in the 1980s to support the Reagan administration's military adventures in Central America. It now calls itself a "communications and research foundation dedicated to providing free market solutions to today's public policy problems."


Personnel

John Carlisle
Tom Randall
Amy Moritz Ridenour, president, is described in a 1995 memo by the Philip Morris tobacco company as "a willing ally." The memo, by PM employee Francis Gomez states that she had just called his office "offering to use any information we can provide the current anti-tobacco onslaught. . . . Tom Borelli and I have both been in touch with Amy on various issues and are awaiting proposals for use of an internet website as an accessible repository of PM-related information."
David Almasi, director of Project 21

Funders
Philip Morris <1>
Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc.
Carthage Foundation
Castle Rock Foundation
Earhart Foundation
John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
Sarah Scaife Foundation

History

In 1997, NCPPR opposed action on global warming at an international summit in Kyoto, Japan. It established the Kyoto Earth Summit Information Center, issued an "Earth Summit Fact Sheet" and fed anti-treaty quotes to the media through a "free interview locator service" that offered "assistance to journalists seeking interviews with leading scientists, economists and public policy experts on global warming."

Following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, NCPPR began using the rhetoric of anti-terrorism to attack environmentalists. In May 2002, it created the envirotruth.org web site, to attack what it called the "jihad" that environmental activists are waging against corporations.

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:gYfN5fkhmvEJ:theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php%3Fubb%3Dget_topic%3Bf%3D8%3Bt%3D002242+Amy+Moritz+Ridenour&hl=en

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PHOTOS OF THE RIDENOURS...including at the Conservative Political Action Committee Conference:

The National Center at Work: Some pictures of our staff... New York Mayor Rudulph Guiliani. David Ridenour testifying before the US House of Representatives. Please note: If you are seeking ...
www.project21.org/StaffPhotos.html - 9k - Cached - Similar pages













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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:50 PM
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47. Ridenour's article dissing Koppel from her Blog. (Ties to Swift Boaters?)
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 12:55 PM by KoKo01
I just ran across her Blog (she's a very busy lady) and check out what she wrote about Koppel. She sounds like she has ties to "smear groups" in the RW...I gave the blog link but also a list from her site of articles and links to bloggers who come to her site like Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingram...


Amy Ridenour's National Center Blog

What Conservatives Think
Thursday, April 29, 2004
If We've Lost Ted Koppel, We Still Have the Country


Observations about Ted Koppel's decision to read the names of U.S. troops killed in Iraq on his show Friday:
1) It is impossible to be sure about Koppel's motives in this instance, but Koppel is being judged not only on his decision to do this broadcast, but on his whole body of work. If many people had not already concluded that Nightline is biased, fewer would question his motives now.

2) Excluding private memorials, the proper, truly non-political time to memorialize the war dead is after the war is over. Recognition of the sacrifices made by those who died is right and proper, and necessary. Because it is important to do, it is likewise important to do it right.

3) Approving comparisons made by some of Koppel's plans to the listing of the names of the Vietnam War dead on the Vietnam Veterans' Memorial in Washington D.C. often fail to note that the original design -- the wall with inscribed names of those American service personnel lost in the conflict -- was immensely unpopular with very many Vietnam Veterans. Matters were settled only after it was agreed that the Memorial also would include a nearby statue of soldiers doing their honorable duty. Koppel's show will have the "wall," but no "statue."

More of the article at:
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:MJecrsx7xbcJ:www.nationalcenter.org/2004/04/if-weve-lost-ted-koppel-we-still-have.html+Amy+Ridenour,Response+Dynamics+&hl=en
Amy Ridenour's National Center Blog


And from her Blog....links to articles she and her husband David have written:

* Our Party, Under God
* Michael King Must Be Popular
* When Will They Investigate?
* Blood Libels
* Project 21 to Discuss Jesse Jackson's Inflammatory Comments on Iraq on Fox's "Hannity and Colmes"
* Notice They Don't Recommend Taxing Private Planes
* Jackson Lite
* More Good News from a Soldier
* Going Home
* Double Standard? Or a case of the Left Being Impossible to Please?

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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:52 PM
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48. kick
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 12:59 PM
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50. This might also be a job for Moyers (Frontline), or Koppel (Nightline)
Also they've had a few good segments on Iraq on ABC (I think it was either 20/20 or Primetime). You can also try 60 Minutes but I think they've been laying low ever since the Dan Rather thing.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:16 PM
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55. I think everyone in the media knows who these people are. And, there's
nothing they can do about them. The connection that the original thread started by Bozo's for Bush to scamming the elderly is all we have that might be something shocking to folks...but US Postal Service and Attorney's General and other folks who tried to investigate said what they do is "legal." You have to bring a "class action suit" or tie it to what Sibel Edmunds was talking about, imho...

All we have is a "Web" of lobbyists who "leak" to the media and do the dirty work for the Conservative "Think Tanks." :shrug: At least the web is being exposed and we "here" are making connections...but where does it go? Where is it "illegal" what they do? It SHOULD be illegal..but no one's gotten them yet.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:26 PM
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52. Environmental Website Rips Ridenour and the N/C for Public Policy Research
The National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR) has launched a new web site to "tell the truth" about environmental and consumer activists who NCPPR consider to be a "public nuisance." (http://www.envirotruth.org)

The topics specifically addressed are biotech foods, chlorine, climate change, eco-terrorism and PVC/pthalates. Organizations such as Greenpeace, Health Care Without Harm, Sierra Club and others are taken to task for waging particular campaigns or using particular tactics. In every example, the only "truth" NCPPR comes up with is provided by the same small group of industry-funded scientists/public policy "experts" we've been hearing from for the past decade or more: Michael Fumento, American Council on Science and Health, Science and Environmental Policy Project, etc.

The section on eco-terrorism is most puzzling. Rather than listing the actual serious crimes that have been allegedly committed by members of the Earth/Animal Liberation Front, NCPPR chose to include the Earth First! occupation of Rep. Frank Riggs' Eureka, CA office in 1997. While no doubt frightening for staff, no property was damaged and no one was hurt -- except the young activists who had pepper spray daubed directly in their eyes -- hardly an act of dangerous terrorists. Additionally, the NCPPR account of the event was taken from Off-road.com, an organization known for their rabid hatred of greens, rather than one of the dozens of reputable news outlets that covered the story. There is also an example of eco-terrorism that is downright bizarre, leading CLEAR to wonder if somebody has hacked NCPPR's site. Under the headline "ecoterrorism," there is a short blurb about a fundraising campaign by Greenpeace Europe in which the group published desk diaries with photos of nude women. Huh? Eco-erotica as terrorism?

There is a section on "false advertising," but interestingly all of the examples come from Europe. Criticizing the public relations practices of others is funny coming from NCPPR, the group that posted billboards throughout Little Rock, AK after the Paula Jones accusation against President Clinton advertising an 800 number where women could call and report sexual harassment by "high government officials." Now there's a great use of non-profit nonpartisan, educational dollars. NCPPR spent an estimated $250,000 on the ad campaign, which included national TV and radio spots (Washington Times, October 1, 1992). To put that spending in perspective, the Ruckus Society's entire budget for the year 2000 was just over $500,000. CLEAR's is one quarter that amount.

Last but not least, there is the criticism that the environmental movement has become nothing but a giant fundraising machine, and specifically criticizes the direct mailing fund raising undertaken by some of the larger US groups. Strangely, the html link that supposedly goes to a rating report on fundraising activities by environmental groups actually links to a relationship advice column at the Washington Post.

Since we're not quite sure what to do with THAT one, let's get some perspective on this charge: The National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy estimates spending by the top 20 conservative think tanks topped $1 billion in the 1990s. The Heritage Foundation alone had a budget of over $107 million in 2000, while Environmental Defense, one of the largest and wealthiest environmental groups had less than half that at $41.28 million. Even the much-maligned Tides Center manages only about $50 million for 350 different grassroots groups -- an average of less than $143,00 per group (not a whole hell of a lot, trust us).

According to Executive Paywatch, the CEO of Dow Chemical made $3,765,352 in total compensation in 2001. The CEO of Boise Cascade cleared $4.8 million (coincidentally nearly the same amount as NCPPR's annual budget) -- almost $2 million more than the entire budget of the Rainforest Action Network, which Boise Cascade is bent on destroying. In fact, NCPPR's president Amy Ridenour, makes about as much in salary as CLEAR's entire income for this year (according to The Right Guide, Ridenour earned $103,450 in the late 1990s. We suppose she has gotten a raise since then). The idea that environmental groups can and do outspend industry and their non-profit mouthpieces (anti-environmental think tanks) is laughable, and everybody but the backlash knows it. Or maybe they do, too...

Moving on to the direct mail issue: NCPPR uses Response Dynamics, a Republican direct mail fundraising firm, and is quite prolific in its appeals. NCPPR spins this as necessary given their claim that a large percentage of their operating budget comes from "small individual donations." NCPPR President Amy Ridenour should know all about fundraising scare tactics, because her group has been criticized for that very thing. In 1998, NCPPR was the subject of a newspaper investigation on direct mailing fundraising letters that targeted the elderly, leading them to believe their social security benefits would be cut off if they did not send money. According to the investigation, NCPPR mailed 160 appeal letters over four months to an 86 year old woman who stayed awake nights worrying about whether she would continue to receive social security if she didn't send money. At the time, Amy Ridenour defended the direct mailing blitz, saying, "It's just that you're competing with a lot of other organizations. People seem to respond better to emotion than they do with letters that have lots and lots of facts." (San Francisco Examiner, February 8, 1998)

Let's just hope others can see through NCPPR's blatant scheme to discredit progressive groups for (gasp of horror) taking foundation money and (even larger gasp) having an agenda to promote regulations that protect the environment! The backlash has been using these tactics since Ron Arnold popularized them in the mid-1990s. But in fact, everything criticism that can be leveled at our side concerning fundraising can be said about theirs, but with the important difference that we don't routinely hide our sponsorship or agendas from the public. (Well, other than our top-secret plan to turn the US into a giant wildlife preserve with the help of the United Nations and the communist party...)

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:hHmwcB8PyxYJ:www.clearproject.org/ACVvol9no5.html+Amy+Ridenour,Response+Dynamics&hl=en
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:46 PM
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53. NCPPR/Ridenour involved in Swift Boat Smears and Memogate (Repug
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 01:56 PM by KoKo01
Senators hacking Dem Computer)
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February 12, 2004
Justice Department Probe of Unethical Senate Conduct Sought

The National Center for Public Policy Research issued this release today:


The Senate Won't Police Itself: Justice Department Probe of Unethical Senate Conduct Sought

Leaked Memos May Identify Votes Traded for Campaign Contributions

In response to allegations of unethical conduct among U.S. senators - including the possible exchange of votes for campaign contributions - The National Center for Public Policy Research has joined other organizations in asking the U.S. Department of Justice's Public Integrity Section to begin an immediate investigation.

Also participating in the call for an official investigation are National Center programs Project 21, an African-American leadership network, and its American Criminal Justice Center, which covers judicial issues.

Manuel A. Miranda, a former counsel to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, has informed Senate Ethics Committee Chief Counsel Robert Walker that he, Miranda, read documents obtained from a once-shared section of the Senate Judiciary Committee computer network that "includes evidence of the direct influencing of the Senate's advice and consent role by the promise of campaign funding and election support in the last mid-term election."

Related documents published in the Wall Street Journal and Washington Times show Committee business was profoundly influenced by the demands of special interest groups prior to the most recent mid-term elections and the change in Senate leadership. The computer hard drive containing the files cited by Miranda is now in the possession of Senate Sergeant-at-Arms William Pickle.

The letter to the Justice Department calls on the Public Integrity Section to "take immediate possession" of the hard drive before the sergeant-at-arms' office "inadvertently or intentionally destroy evidence of a crime." The sergeant-at-arms' office was charged with finding out how the files were obtained and not what they contain, so a Justice Department investigation would not be duplicative or obstructive.

"Manuel Miranda is a whistleblower," said Amy Ridenour, president of The National Center for Public Policy Research, "but whistleblowers are not appreciated in the exclusive club that is the U.S. Senate. That's why even powerful Republican Senators have acted against a staffer who exposed possible wrongdoing by Democrats, and why an impartial Justice Department investigation, completely beyond the reach of Senate influence, is needed in this case."

"We've investigated to death how these scandalous memos were leaked, but we've ignored their shocking content," said David Almasi, the director of the American Criminal Justice Center. "If the allegations are true, a heinous crime has been committed against our constitutional form of government. It is our duty to get to the bottom of these serious charges."

"It would be a grievous and appalling miscarriage of justice if the reportedly damning memos referenced by Mr. Miranda's were not made public," said Project 21 National Advisory Council member Mychal Massie. "For the Justice Department to not conduct a full and open investigation would be an unacceptable breach of the public trust and fiduciary responsibility."

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:74QyRxam9O8J:www.everythingiknowiswrong.com/2004/02/justice_departm.html+Amy++Ridenour,+Direct+Response&hl=en

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(NOTE: GOOGLE has pages of links to Ridenour and her buddies on the conservative blogs..pushing the Swift Boat Lies...here are just a few links:)

Poisoning Pigeons
... Swift Boat Veterans for Truth: Kerry and Bush Won’t Censor Us. ... Allah is in the House;
American RealPolitik; Amy Ridenour's National Center Blog; Angelweave; ...
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... Filed under: Iraq; Swift Boat Vets & POWs for the Truth. ... Vietnam Veterans Against
the War ... House; Alpha Patriot; American RealPolitik; Amy Ridenour's National Center ...
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Musing » Kerry & DNC lawyers attempt to muzzle Swift Boat Vets ...
... Blogs: Allah is in the house; American Digest; Amy Ridenour's National Center ... the
blistering anti-John Kerry TV spot created by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ...
www.hayz.ws/blog/index.php?p=740 - 45k - Cached - Similar pages
Musings Archives: July 2004
... The veterans raise two objections to the story. ... like Kerry, a Navy lieutenant in
command of a Swift Boat. ... WOULDN'T CARE: At her blog Amy Ridenour publishes a ...
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Bill's Comments
... author of "Unfit For Command" (Regnery, 2004), is a member of Swift Boat Veterans
for Truth. ... I just added a link to the right to Amy Ridenour's National Center ...
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New Trommetter Times » That Dog Don’t Hunt
... outlets are looking into the allegations being made by the swift boat veterans who
are ... Blogs Allah is in the house American Digest Amy Ridenour s National ...
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World Watch - August 29, 2004 - Election Guidebook, Kerry's ...
... The Swift Boat Veterans' second ad points out that his false charges that American ...
Check out the following links •Amy Ridenour's report on Antarctic research ...
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JunkYardBlog: August 15, 2004 - August 21, 2004 Archives
... a new member of the group "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ... as commander of a Navy swift
boat, has insisted ... long overdue welcome to Amy Ridenour's National Center ...
junkyardblog.transfinitum.net/ archives/week_2004_08_15.html - 86k - Cached - Similar pages Jeff

Blogworthy.com - Entries for September 2004
... Amy Ridenour has some questions for Bush and Kerry. What about democracy in Russia? ...
I found this to be a powerful new ad from the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. ...
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:51 PM
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56. Good background information at pair.com
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 03:09 PM by starroute
Although Scaife does come into the story slightly where Clinton-bashing is involved, everything else we have been turning up is most directly related to the Moon/Weyrich/Coors axis -- which is to say, the most fascist component of the extreme right. This site gives a pretty good summary of many of the players and issues involved:

http://watch.pair.com/heritage.html

- Covers Paul Weyrich and the Heritage Foundation
Paul Weyrich - considered the architect and mainstay of the conservative revolution - calls for "reclaiming the culture" and a "second American Revolution." ... Paul Weyrich is a Melkite Greek Catholic whose personal background abounds with ties to Nazi collaborators and neo-fascist organizations. These well-documented facts do not seem to concern the U.S. Government, whose agencies have also been infiltrated by post World War II Nazi emigres.

- Goes further into Weyrich's fascist connections
"The Free Congress Foundation, founded by American far right strategist Paul Weyrich, became active in eastern European politics after the Cold War. Figuring prominently in this effort was Weyrich's right-hand man, Laszlo Pasztor, a former leader of the pro-Nazi Arrow Cross organization in Hungary, which had collaborated with Hitler's Reich. After serving two years in prison for his Arrow Cross activities, Pasztor found his way to the United States, where he was instrumental in establishing the ethnic-outreach arm of the Republican national Committee."

A recent SCOOP newsletter from the Heritage related National Center for Public Policy Research mentions foreign and defense policy meetings chaired by Laszlo Pasztor. NCPPR is a conservative communications and research foundation which also sponsors Wednesday luncheons frequently chaired by Weyrich and Pasztor.

- Details the extensive Heritage Foundation connections to Reverend Moon

(Also, because pair.com is a conservative conspiracy theory site, it tosses around stuff about the Rockefellers and Heritage support of the UN. But whether true or not, those assertions aren't relevant to the matters we have at hand.)



On edit: Another source of background information is "Secrets of the Free Congress Foundation" at http://www.politicalamazon.com/fcf.html which covers such topics as:

Free Congress Foundation and LASZLO PASZTOR
Free Congress Foundation and SCAIFE FUNDING
Free Congress Foundation and RACISM
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:36 PM
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72. More stuff on Sherwood...worth a look even if it's repeats....



More on Sinclair & Stolen Honor Film


Written by www.roryoconnor.org/journalism.nyu.edu


Tuesday October 12, 2004



Page: | 1 |

roryoconnor.org
By Rory O’Connor

The Sinclair Broadcasting Group -- that wonderfully fair and balanced media firm that made news in April for refusing to run a Nightline program in which Ted Koppel read the names of American soldiers killed in Iraq -- is up to its old political tricks again. This time the controversy centers on what WILL appear on as many as 62 television stations owned or managed by Sinclair: a suspect documentary highly critical of John Kerry's antiwar activities thirty years ago.
The film, "Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal" is produced by Carlton
Sherwood, a former reporter for the Washington Times, which of course is subsidized
and controlled by the controversial Reverend Sun Myung Moon and his followers in the
Unification Church.
Sherwood bills himself as a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist. According to its website, his film "investigates how John Kerry's actions during the
Vietnam era impacted the treatment of American soldiers and POWs. Using John Kerry's own words, the documentary juxtaposes John Kerry's actions with the words of veterans who were still in Vietnam when John Kerry was leading the anti-war movement." And its publicity claims that Stolen Honor features devastating testimony by former POWs of the demoralizing impact of John Kerry's war-crimes accusations had on them more than 30 years ago. As Sherwood said in a March 12 story on (where else?) Fox News, "He knew as an officer that those were lies. It never happened. He was principally responsible for cementing the image of Vietnam veterans as drugged-out psychopaths who were totally unrestrained and who were a murderous hoard."
But what sort of investigations does Sherwood actually undertake? He won his
Pulitzer for investigative reporting of a Catholic scandal involving the Pauline
Fathers of Doylestown, Pennsylvania -- but he also is well known for his subsequent spurious investigation of Moon's Unification Church. Sherwood maintains that when he began, he was hoping to uncover dirt about Moon, but ended up concluding that the
Rev and his followers "were and continued to be the victims of the worst kind of religious prejudice and racial bigotry this country has witnessed in over a century."
A closer look at Sherwood's "investigation" of the Moon organization, however, sheds considerable light on the Sherwood style of investigation -- and thus on the credibility of the allegations contained in "Stolen Honor." As revealed in my film "The Resurrection of Reverend Moon" which was broadcast in 1992 on the PBS documentary series Frontline, (http://www.mediachannel.org/originals/moontranscript.shtml) a Unification Church aide to Moon says he reviewed and changed Sherwood's book before publication. As the aide noted in a letter I obtained, this was done in order to help the Unificationists best "silence critics." Here's an excerpt from the film transcript:

Narrator: "Is the New Birth Project continuing? In June 1991, Inquisition, a new, purportedly independent investigation of Moon's 1982 tax fraud prosecution, was released by a Washington publisher, Regnery-Gateway. Its author, Carlton Sherwood, is a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter who once worked for the Washington Times.
Inquisition has a curious history. It was printed once before, by an obscure publishing house called Andromeda. The phone number listed for Andromeda in a leading publishing directory is the home phone of former Reagan National Security
Council official Roger Fontaine -- also an ex-reporter at the Washington Times. When we called, Fontaine's wife Judy answered and said she knew nothing about Andromeda.
Then she told us that the company was bankrupt and that Inquisition was published by
Regnery-Gateway. Alfred Regnery is the head of Regnery-Gateway. "

Regnery: "It is not unlike a lot of other books we have published. It is a story
that deals with the First Amendment, which is something that is very dear to publishers, of course."

Narrator: "Alfred Regnery was told by Carlton Sherwood that the Moon Organization
would purchase one hundred thousand copies of Inquisition -- at least according to former Washington Times editor James Whelan, another Regnery-Gateway author. But
Alfred Regnery denies it."

Regnery: "I never said that to Jim, and I've never had any conversation with what's his name-Bo?"

Narrator: "Bo Hi Pak."

Regnery: "I'm not even sure who he is."

Narrator: "One week after talking to Regnery, FRONTLINE obtained a copy of a letter addressed to Sun Myung Moon. The letter was written by James Gavin, a Moon aide.
Gavin tells Moon he reviewed the 'overall tone and factual contents' of Inquisition before publication and suggested revisions. Gavin adds that the author 'Mr. Sherwood has assured me that all this will be done when the manuscript is sent to the publisher.' Gavin concludes by telling Moon, 'When all of our suggestions have been incorporated, the book will be complete and in my opinion will make a significant impact.... In addition to silencing our critics now, the book should be invaluable in persuading others of our legitimacy for many years to come.' Although he refused an on-camera interview, Carlton Sherwood told Frontline that the Unification Movement exerted no editorial control over his book. When we visited Gavin's office in McLean, Virginia, our request for an interview was refused."

And here's how 'Stolen Honor' portrays Senator Kerry's antiwar activism, according to its transcript:

"In other wars, captured Americans subjected to the hell of an enemy prison were considered heroes. In other wars, they were not abandoned. In Vietnam, they were betrayed. Little did the American prisoners of war imagine that half a world away events were conspiring to make their precarious situation even more desperate. That an American Naval lieutenant after a four-month tour of duty in Vietnam was meeting secretly in an undisclosed location in Paris with a top enemy diplomat. That this same lieutenant would later join forces with Jane Fonda to form an antiwar group of so-called Vietnam veterans, some of whom would be later discovered as frauds who never set foot on a battlefield. All this culminating in John Kerry's Senate testimony that would be blared over loud speakers to convince our prisoners that back home they were being accused and abandoned. Enemy propagandists had found a new and willing accomplice."

Mark Hyman, Sinclair's vice-president for corporate relations (who doubles as a conservative news commentator on its stations) said the company would broadcast
Stolen Honor because it is newsworthy. And as news, the documentary -which will be run commercial-free - may be exempt from federal regulations requiring equal time for Senator Kerry's campaign to respond. Instead, the Kerry camp is calling on supporters to boycott Sinclair advertisers and demonstrate against its stations, while a group of Democratic senators -including Kerry's mentor, Senator Edward Kennedy -- are asking the Federal Elections Commission to investigate, charging that the doc is not news but really a political advertisement favoring Kerry's opponent, President Bush.
Sherwood's allegations in Stolen Honor echo those of the anti-Kerry veterans group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, and two of the former prisoners who appeared in that group's veracity-challenged television ads --including one who was a Bush campaign
volunteer -- were interviewed in Sherwood's film.

www.roryoconnor.org
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:G8JOr55jRtUJ:www.navyseals.com/community/articles/article.cfm%3Fid%3D4683+Carlton+Sherwood,+Swift+Boat+Veterans,+Rev+Moon&hl=en
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:56 PM
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57. Stay focused on Gary Jarmin - where does he spend his money?
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 02:57 PM by Bozos for Bush
Home for lunch :) My, starroute and koko01 have been busy :)

This octopus has more than 8(000) tentacles. IMO we need to stay focused on Gary Jarmin.

We now know how he makes money - he scams people.
What we need to know more about is where he spends money.

OK, so we know he uses Research Dynamics for mailing, etc. No doubt they are dirty, but where else does he spend money? Specifically, if AFSC and Christian Voice and the others are charities (barf) then there must be reports they file - how much do they take in, where does their money go, etc.

My gut tells me we are close to a major breakthrough...like Jarmin providing funds to Sherwood, Swift Boats, etc. If I'm right, then we have a friend of W, with documented influence over him, scamming seniors with scary letters, and using the donations to fund right wing activities...which would clearly be against the law, because his organizations are supposdly charities (barf).

Have to get back to work in 5 minutes, but I can't wait to get home tonight and google away :)

Thanks again koko01, starroute, George, et al - I am humbled!

John


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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. It might help to repost the list of Jarmin's organizations
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 03:52 PM by starroute
This is the bunch that all operate from the building he owns:
Christian Voice
Jar-Mon Consultants
US Cuba Foundation
American Christian Cause
American Federation of Senior Citizen
Pacific Asia Foundation
National Parents' Day Council

These have also been mentioned in connection with Jarmin:
The Seniors Center
The Washington Times Foundation (Moonie)
American Coalition for Traditional Values (LaHaye - now defunct)
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. Here's one place the money goes
http://my.execpc.com/~jlohman/fed_new.html

U.S. Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner just doesn't get it.

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that he cancelled a trip to Beijing, Bangkok and Thailand with his wife which was to be paid for by the Pacific-Asia Foundation, a "legitimate educational foundation" (read: special-interest group). Sensenbrenner claims to, whenever possible, "save taxpayer money by using privately funded travel." But, Mr. Sensenbrenner, that's exactly what the public doesn't want. They'd rather pay the bill than have our legislators influenced by these special-interest groups taking lawmakers (and their wives) on junkets.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #59
61. Banned in Pennsylvania?
More sleazy activities or just an oversight?

http://www.dos.state.pa.us/char/cwp/view.asp?a=1092&Q=431406&charNav=%7C

The following is a listing of outstanding cease and desist orders issued against charitable organizations, solicitors and fundraising counsels since 1996. These organizations cannot legally solicit contributions in Pennsylvania until they register with the bureau or provide the bureau with evidence that they are excluded or exempt from the law.

<snip>

American Christian Cause 9/16/1998
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. Origin of many of Jarmin's groups
http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.r.htm

Members and contributors to Chalcedon include Colonel Doner, who, in 1978, co-founded Christian Voice. ... Colonel Doner spent three decades in Republican and Christian politics as a professional fund-raiser, media strategist, organizational consultant, and architect of the Christian Right. In the 70s his clients spanned the range from The American Conservative Union to Ronald Reagan. In the late 70s he co-founded the first wave of Christian Right organizations: The Christian Voice Lobby, which pioneered issuing "Report Cards" on how members of Congress voted on "values" issues; the American Christian Voice Foundation, publisher of the renowned Presidential Biblical Scoreboard magazine; and American Christian Cause. In 1984, he served as chairman of the national Reagan/Bush Christian voter registration campaign, and co-founded <with Tim Lahaye> The American Coalition for Traditional Values, the broadest based coalition of major evangelical leaders ever to unite behind a political objective since prohibition.

<snip>

"The original Christian Voice directorate consisted of Rev. Robert Grant, a graduate of Rev. Steuart McBirnie's California Institute of Theology, Gary Jarmin, a long time right-wing lobbyist and former disciple of Rev. Sun Myung Moon, and Colonel Donor (Colonel is his first name, not a military title)..."

"In 1987, leaders of the Christian Right formed the American Freedom Coalition (AFC)...Robert Grant an AFC founder and president of Christian Voice. With initial funding from the Unification Church, the AFC signified a merger between about 30 Christian Voice field organizers and the state representatives of Moon's American Constitution Committee.

<snip>

After their poor results in the 1986 Congressional elections, Christian Voice leaders, Colonel Doner, Robert Grant and Gary Jarmin had concluded that Christians alone could not steer the country rightward. To be politically effective, they argued, Christians would have to be 'unequally yoked' with non-believers and even enemies of Christianity...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #59
70. Some links here...but i've not checked the "Cuba" connection...links
Council for National Policy Database HM
... Gary Jarmin -CNP Membership Directory (1984-85, 1988, 1996, 1999). Legislative
Director, Christian Voice, a front for the Unification ...
watch.pair.com/database1.html - 101k - Cached - Similar pages

Parent award returned by cult member
... Questions about the recipient's involvement with the Children of God led him to
return the award, Gary Jarmin, spokesman for the foundation, said Wednesday. ...
www.rickross.com/reference/unif/Unif41.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages
< More results from www.rickross.com >

CNP Database
... Reed Irvine. Hon. Ernest J. Istook, Jr. Lorena Jaeb. Kay Cole James. Gary Jarmin.
Louis (Woody) Jenkins. Terry J. Jeffers. Dr. Mildred Faye Jefferson. Bob Jones ...
watch.pair.com/cnpdbase.html - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
< More results from watch.pair.com >

ReligionLink Oct. 21, 2002: Are current candidates heeding future ...
... Those who signed the letter include Andrea Sheldon Lafferty at the Traditional Values
Coalition, 202-547-8570; Gary Jarmin of Christian Voice, 703-548-1421 ...
www.religionwriters.com/ public/tips/102102/102102b.shtml - 29k - Cached - Similar pages

School Prayer, Part 2.
... 47 Gary Jarmin of Christian Voice said, "It's the beginning of a new era of conservatism
in America." 48 What Jarmin didn't see was the Right was painting ...
members.aol.com/LarryPahl/prayer2.htm - 21k - Cached - Similar pages

Big Daddy's Cafe
Big Daddy's Cafe, [email protected], ...
groups.msn.com/bigdaddyscafe/history.msnw?action=get_ message&mview=0&ID_Message=26645&LastMod... - 101k - Cached - Similar pages

LaRouche: Moonies Are Target Too Big To Be Missed
... Dan Burton (R-Ind.), one of the most fanatical of the House "Clinton-bashers."
Long-time Moon functionary Gary Jarmin did the legwork for the legislation push. ...
www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2942moonie_targt.html - 32k - Cached - Similar pages
IRC | RightWeb | Group Watch: American Freedom Coalition
... (39,40,41) Gary Jarmin is/was legislative director of Christian Voice and national
field director of the American Coalition for Tradition Values. (38). ...
rightweb.irc-online.org/groupwatch/afc.php - 39k - Cached - Similar pages

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Peter1x9 Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:51 PM
Response to Original message
63. My grandmother got a MEDICARE preservation letter and card today
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 03:57 PM by Peter1x9
She got the Social Security letter yesterday in the mail. And today she got something similar, but about Medicare.
Right now I have a "Medicare Preservation Card" and a scary 4 page letter from the "Health Care Reform Taskforce" in my hand saying that the bankruptcy of medicare is in the not too distant future. The rest is a liberal attack letter urging her to support president Bush. It also has a similar card with all the fine print like the other one did. And it has a place on the back of the letter to send in a donation.

This letter is signed by "Amy M. Ridenour, President".

I'd like to scan all this and post everything if someone would host them for me.
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Peter1x9 Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. images of MEDICARE preservation letter and card








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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #66
83. It's the exact same crap!
They changed the words, but it's the same! We got a new name, Amy M. Ridenour, to research.

Peter1x9, can you either blow up the fine print or else type what it says - specifically, does it mention AOL? Research Dynamics?

Meanwhile, we've got another big tentacle - Health Care Reform Task Force (wow that sounds so official) aka National Center for Public Policy Research, with a PO BOX number that happens to be only 6 away from the AFSC's.

I'll give anyone 100-1 odds it is yet another Jarmin scam.
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Peter1x9 Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #83
96. Here's the blown up fine print
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #96
98. There's our Research Dynamics again - thanks Peter
And notice the words "on the respective percentages of contributions that will be paid to HCRFT and to Response Dynamics, Inc."

Perhaps we need to find the money trail starting with Research Dynamics?

So much...



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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #83
198. It mentions Response Dynamics!
I didn't see anything about AOL but Response Dynamics is definitely in there.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #198
211. Yup, and notice how all of them are in Virginia
Virginia, the scam capital of the world...no offense to good folks there.

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Heath.Hunnicutt Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #63
75. Did you save the envelopes?
On the envelopes, aside from postmarks, there are sometimes computer-printed UV-visible barcodes. These could be informative.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #75
81. Thank You for posting! Was hoping DU'ers with elderly relatives would
scour their mail and report the organizations sending them this stuff. From what I saw today...these people on this thread are (probably) using this money to support RW Christian and Bush causes...and it may even go deeper and darker than that.

If my Dad wasn't now in a Nursing Home...I would be checking his mail, right now...but I know he got tons of stuff and he did give to many of these organizations because he didn't trust the Government...so was willing to give to any cause that said "Government is taking away what you worked for."

If we could just get a list of names of these organizations..even if they aren't the ones we're researching on this site right now...we could at least find some way to stop our elderly and innocent members of our Society from giving to these "SCAMS!" It hurts their family members as well as them, to be swindled this way.

Thanks! :-)'s
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Heath.Hunnicutt Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #81
100. Yes, thanks everybody who scanned these.
It's important that we collect actual witnesses if the idea is to squelch the moonie corporations somehow. If people in nursing homes are receiving these, nursing staff are probably sympathetic and credible witnesses to the mail arriving there.

Thanks for posting and for scanning that letter. It's creepy, though.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:55 PM
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64. Good Job! Kick! nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:02 PM
Response to Original message
65. Ridenour "NCPPR"says Bush Quoted her in his SOU Address.(Iraq Soldier)
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 04:04 PM by KoKo01
Thursday, September 02, 2004
President Bush Quotes Blog


OK, I admit, this blogger did not go to the Republican National Convention. We're not in Blogger's Corner. But there is a little bit that happened to us with regard to the convention anyway.

The President quoted this blog -- Army Specialist Joe Roche's April 7 entry -- in his acceptance speech.

How cool is that?

President Bush's Acceptance Speech, September 2, 2004:

Our troops know the historic importance of our work. One Army Specialist wrote home: "We are transforming a once sick society into a hopeful place ... The various terrorist enemies we are facing in Iraq," he continued, "are really aiming at you back in the United States. This is a test of will for our country. We soldiers of yours are doing great and scoring victories in confronting the evil terrorists."

That young man is right -- our men and women in uniform are doing a superb job for America. Tonight I want to speak to all of them -- and to their families: You are involved in a struggle of historic proportion. Because of your service and sacrifice, we are defeating the terrorists where they live and plan, and making America safer. Because of you, women in Afghanistan are no longer shot in a sports stadium. Because of you, the people of Iraq no longer fear being executed and left in mass graves. Because of you, the world is more just and will be more peaceful. We owe you our thanks, and we owe you something more. We will give you all the resources, all the tools, and all the support you need for victory.

National Center April 7, 2004 Blog Entry of Spc. Joe Roche, writing from Iraq: A Soldier Assures Us: Our Progress is Amazing:

We are transforming a once very sick society into a hopeful place... The various terrorist enemies we are facing in Iraq are really aiming at you back in the United States. This is a test of will for our country. We soldiers of yours are doing great and scoring victories in confronting the evil terrorists.

Joe's a great guy. I'm thrilled for him, and expect he is -- or will be, if he hasn't learned about this yet -- rather thrilled himself.

The National Center will be sending an e-mail about this development to friends and supporters, but I just had to mention it on the blog first. Congratulations to Joe and, echoing the President, thanks to all the men and women of the Armed Services of the United States of America for your service and sacrifices.

For more about Joe, including a list of his writing as published by us and some photos of him, see here. For a hilarious screenshot of Democrats.com speculating (on 4/8/04 regarding the exact comments President Bush quoted tonight) that Joe isn't real, see here. Back in April, Joe wrote me that some of his fellow soldiers felt very, very insulted by Democrats.com's post. I think it is safe to say that, tonight, those soldiers need not feel insulted any longer. They definitely got the last word.
http://www.nationalcenter.org/2004/09/president-bush-quotes-blog.html
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #65
84. Wow, what a lucky, unbelievable thing
This is so overwhelming. I searched their site for Jarmin but he is nowhere...but obviously there is a connection.
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #65
150. Of course he quoted her, Carl Rove probably told her what to write!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:03 PM
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67. Jarmin/Moonie/Bush Connections.........Senate...etc.


Warner Helped the Rev. Moon
Senator's Office Says He Arranged for Meeting Space in March

By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 21, 2004; Page A02



A March 8 invitation sent to many lawmakers and others said the "primary program sponsor" would be the "Interreligious and International Federation for World Peace (IIFWP), founded by Rev. Dr. and Mrs. Sun Myung Moon." Several co-sponsors were listed, including the Washington Times Foundation, but Christian Voice was not mentioned.

The group, however, has been linked to Moon's far-flung religious and business empire in numerous articles over the years. An April article in Church & State magazine referred to "Christian Voice, a Religious Right group connected with the Rev. Sun Myung Moon." It said the group was "long associated with Moon operative Gary Jarmin."

A 1990 Los Angeles Times article said the Rev. Robert Grant -- listed on Jarmin's letter to Warner as chairman of Christian Voice -- founded the American Freedom Coalition, a group "dedicated to repairing Moon's tattered persona in the United States."

A 1989 Post article about Moon's empire also made several references to Jarmin and Grant. Grant responded to The Post with an op-ed column saying, in part, "the AFC has received support from business interests of the Unification Church," founded by Moon. "Since its founding in April 1987, the AFC has in fact received $ 5,252,473 from such business interests. This amounts to just 32.7 percent . . . of our total gross revenues."

In a phone interview yesterday, Jarmin said he requested the Dirksen room on behalf of Christian Voice because the ceremony involved hundreds of people and required an overflow room. A previous Dirksen room request, he said, "was done under the Washington Times Foundation." Senate rules limit any organization to one room per event.

Jarmin would not specify which senator approved the foundation's request, but suggested it was Warner. "The same senator can request two rooms," he said. "I had to use a different organization to get" the overflow room.

Ullyot said the March 11 letter from Christian Voice was "the only request we received" for permission to use a room for the March 23 ceremony. He said he did not know which senator approved the second room.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19-2004Jul20.html

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Gary Jarmin -CNP Membership Directory (1984-85, 1988, 1996, 1999). Legislative Director, Christian Voice, a front for the Unification Church; Lobbyist and political consultant in Washington, D.C.; President of Jar-Mon Consultants, Inc., a firm specializing in political activism, election campaigns and foreign policy matters in East Asia; designed and directed registration drive in 1884 for American Coalition for Traditional Values; Chaired Christians for Reagan campaign in 1980 and 1984; former legislative director, Freedom Leadership Foundation.

"Christian Voice pioneered the use of 'moral report cards' to rate Congressional and presidential candidates on issues from abortion to sanctions against Rhodesia. The organization was started in California in 1976 under the name Citizens United. In August 1978, the group changed its name to American Christians United and in October 1978 to Christian Voice, Inc. The original Christian Voice directorate consisted of Rev. Robert Grant, a graduate of Rev. Steuart McBirnie's California Institute of Theology, Gary Jarmin, a long time right-wing lobbyist and former disciple of Rev. Sun Myung Moon, and Colonel Donor (Colonel is his first name, not a military title)...In 1988, an investigative news feature on CBS' 'West 57th" documented McBirnie's history of fraudulent financial dealings and featured elderly followers whom he has allegedly swindled by refusing to pay thousands of dollars of loans.

"In 1987, leaders of the Christian Right formed the American Freedom Coalition (AFC)...Robert Grant an AFC founder and president of Christian Voice. With initial funding from the Unification Church, the AFC signified a merger between about 30 Christian Voice field organizers and the state representatives of Moon's American Constitution Committee. At the August 1987 kick-off rally for the American Freedom Coalition in Washington, D.C., Moon's top aide Bo Hi Pak praised the 'marriage' between Christian Voice and the American Constitution Committee and said it 'shows what a great sense of humor God has.'

"As with other Moonie-influenced New Right projects, the AFC was organized in such a way as to obscure Moonie domination. The original officers included Christian Voice President, Robert Grant, black civil rights leader Ralph Abernathy, Richard Viguerie, and Richard Ichord (D-MO) and Bob Wilson (R-CA). After their poor results in the 1986 Congressional elections, Christian Voice leaders, Robert Grant and Gary Jarmin had concluded that Christians alone could not steer the country rightward. To be politically effective, they argued, Christians would have to be 'unequally yoked' with non-believers and even enemies of Christianity...

"In May 1988, Grant was invited as the keynote speaker for the annual conference of the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations (ABN), which included many of the same anti-Semitic East European émigré groups recruited by (CNP member) David Balsiger's RAMBO Coalition . With headquarters in Munich and chapters throughout Europe and the United States, the ABN is nostalgic for the days when the Nazis occupied Eastern Europe. Scott Anderson and John Lee Anderson, authors of Inside the League, describe the ABN as: 'the largest and most important umbrella for Nazi collaborators in the world...A prime criterion for membership appears to be fealty to the cause of National Socialism; ABN officers constitute a virtual Who's Who of those responsible for the massacre of millions of civilians in the bloodiest war in history.'

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:XIKZtCKy3HsJ:watch.pair.com/database1.html+Gary+L.+Jarmin+of+Christian+Voice+%2B+George+Bush&hl=en

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Gary L. Jarmin of Christian Voice
HAS REV. SUN MYUNG MOON PURCHASED THE TOP RIGHT-WING EVANGELISTIC ...
... It was right after Gary Jarmin, ex-Moonie, introduced Tim LaHaye to Col. Bo Pak,
Rev. Moon's right hand man." <"This is a Bizarre World", http://www.angelfire ...[br />www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1818.cfm - 83k - Cached - Similar pages

IRC | RightWeb | Group Watch: American Freedom Coalition
... 19. Gary Jarmin,"What Bush's Victory Means to America," American Freedom Journal,
Dec 1988/Jan 1989. ... 22."Rev. Moon's Political Moves," Newsweek, Feb 12, l988. ...
rightweb.irc-online.org/groupwatch/afc.php - 39k - Cached - Similar pages

NHNE: Sun Myung Moon On The Move Again In America
... and that a longtime Moon operative in Washington, Gary Jarmin, did much ... SUSPICION
FOLLOWS REV. MOON TO SOUTH AMERICA (12/1/1999) : http://groups.yahoo.com/group ...
www.nhne.com/misc/sunmyungmoon.html - 39k - Cached - Similar pages

Religion News Blog : Warner Linked to the Rev. Moon
... senator's office, was addressed "Dear John" and signed by group president Gary L.
Jarmin. "Nothing in the letter suggests any participation by Rev. Moon or his ...
www.religionnewsblog.com/7939-Warner_ Linked_to_the_Rev._Moon_.html - 37k - Cached - Similar pages
Peace Rally - Dec 22, 2003
... FOUNDERS. Rev. and Mrs. Sun Myung Moon. CHAIRMAN. Rev. ... COMMITTEE CO-DIRECTORS.
Rev. ... Eliezer Glaubach-Gal Mr. Taj Hamad Mr. Gary Jarmin Rev. ...

Attendees by Country
... United States Mr. Dong Moon Joo President, The Washington Times. ... United States Rev. ...
United States Mr. Gary Jarmin Chairman, Pacific-Asia Association. ...
members.aol.com/scwpeace/sc8.htm - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

Ecumenism has become a blight in Christianity I recently became ...
... Moon’s “The Holy Spirit Association for the ... world religious system right out of
Rev.17. ... Saints Institute of Religion; Mr. Gary Jarmin President, Christian ...
www.letusreason.org/moon4.htm - 53k - Cached - Similar pages

Past returns to haunt 'Parent of the Year'
... annual winner, has been found to have ties to the Rev. Sun Myung Moon and his
Unification Church ... of God led him to return the award, Gary Jarmin, spokesman for ...
www.rickross.com/reference/unif/Unif43.html - 9k - Cached - Similar pages




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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:07 PM
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68. Jarmin and the other "Cast of Characters" Block "ABM" Treaty..Bush

Security Forum No. 01-F 87 2001-12-21

President Bush Applauded for Ending the A.B.M. Treaty, Urged to Move to Deploy Missile Defenses A.S.A.P.


(Washington, D.C.): Yesterday, fifty prominent leaders of groups representing millions of Americans wrote President Bush to congratulate him for his "courageous and visionary leadership" in clearing the way for the development, testing and deployment of effective missile defenses by withdrawing the United States from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty.

In addition to commending the President for terminating a morally bankrupt and strategically reckless treaty regime -- one that denied the American people the protection they expect, deserve and need from ballistic missile attack, the signatories of the joint letter circulated by the American Conservative Union noted that "our countrymen and their forces and allies overseas will remain vulnerable to missile attack until we actually deploy effective anti-missile systems." They expressed confidence that the Bush "Administration will take the steps necessary -- including assigning the highest presidential priority and such resources as are needed to the task -- so as to ready missile defenses for prompt deployment."

This expectation has taken on greater urgency in light of decisions taken by certain Pentagon officials following the President's 13 December decision on the ABM Treaty. The outright cancellation of the Navy's Area Missile Defense System and the effective evisceration of the Space-Based Infrared Sensor (SBIRS)-Low satellite program must be revisited by Mr. Bush, who was not informed beforehand of these actions -- or the highly deleterious effect they would have, if allowed to stand, on the ability to provide effective missile defenses any time soon.

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December 20, 2001

Hon. George W. Bush
The White House
Washington, D.C. 20500

Dear Mr. President:

We wish to commend you for the courageous and visionary leadership you have exhibited in withdrawing from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. By so doing, you have made it possible for our government to fulfill, at last, its constitutional responsibility to "provide for the common defense."

It has been enormously gratifying to witness your steadfast pursuit of that objective. On the campaign trail, upon taking office and in the eleven months since the inauguration, you have consistently recognized the real and growing danger posed by our present, complete vulnerability to missile attack. You have unwaveringly, and correctly, described the ABM Treaty as an insurmountable impediment to our acquiring the defensive capabilities needed to deal with that threat. And now you have put that impediment behind us, once and for all.

These initiatives are a lasting credit to you and of incalculable importance to the security of our nation, its people and interests.

Of course, our countrymen and their forces and allies overseas will remain vulnerable to missile attack until we actually deploy effective anti-missile systems. With the ABM Treaty out of the way, however, we should now be able to accomplish that objective as required by the Missile Defense Act of 1999 -- namely, "as soon as technologically possible."

We are certain that your Administration will take the steps necessary -- including assigning the highest presidential priority and such resources as are needed to the task -- so as to ready missile defenses for prompt deployment. We look forward to working closely with you and your team to finish the job of defending America, a job made possible by our withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty you have properly called "obsolete" and "dangerous."

Sincerely,

David Keene, The American Conservative Union

Frank Gaffney, Center for Security Policy

Phyllis Schafly, Eagle Forum

Paul M. Weyrich, Coalitions for America

Oliver L. North, Freedom Alliance

Grover Norquist, Americans for Tax Reform

Nancy Pfotenhauer, Independent Women's Forum

Karen Kerrigan, Small Business Survival Committee

Ken Adelman, DefenseCentralStation.com

J. Milnor Roberts, High Frontier

Star Parker, Coalition on Urban Renewal & Education

David Ridenour, National Center for Public Policy Research

Bob Livingston, The Livingston Group

James L. Martin, 60 Plus Association

Gary Aldrich, Patrick Henry Center

Lisa DePasquale, Claire Booth Luce Policy Institute

John Dodd, Jesse Helms Center Foundation

Kerri Houston, American Conservative Network

Erik Johnson, Young Americans for Freedom

Audrey Mullen, Advocacy Ink

Michael R. Long, NY State Conservative Party

James Parmelee, Republicans United for Tax Relief

Lewis Uhler, National Tax Limitation Committee

Richard Viguerie, American Target Advertising

Deroy Murdock, ATLAS Economic Research Foundation

Duane Parde, American Legislative Exchange Council

Rev. Lou Sheldon, Traditional Values Coalition

James V. Lacy, Howard Jarvis Taxpayer Association

Alan Gottlieb, Committee For the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

Gary L. Bauer, American Values

Roberta Combs, Christian Coalition of America

Matthew Brooks, Republican Jewish Council

Michael Boos, American Sovereignty Action Project

Kim Holmes, The Heritage Foundation

Richard Falknor, Maryland Taxpayers Association

Robert Funk, American Shareholders Association

Charles W. Baird, PhD, Smith Center for Private Enterprise Studies

Martin Angell, A Choice for Every Child Foundation

Dave Almasi, National Defense Center

Gary L. Jarmin, Christian Voice

David A. Javdan, Young Jewish Leadership PAC

Tom Kilgannon, Freedom Alliance

Daniel Lapin, Toward Tradition

Robert L. Maginnis, Family Research Council

Richard Lessner, American Renewal

Charles P. Noell II, Tradition Family Property

Ron Pearson, Conservative Victory Fund

Kirby Wilbur, Citizens United

Benjamin C. Works, SIRUS
Roger W. Robinson, Jr., William J. Casey Institute
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #68
74. High Frontier is a pro-Star Wars group of interest
The name of its founder, Daniel O. Graham, is one that keeps coming up as part of this same group of people:

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Daniel_O._Graham

"Lieutenant General Daniel Graham (ret.) worked for the CIA from 1963-1966 in the Office of National Estimates. During the Vietnam war from 1967-1968 he was chief of the Army's military intelligence estimates and from 1968-1971 he returned to the Office of National Estimates. In 1971 Graham served as director of collections for the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon's version of the CIA. In 1973 Graham served as a deputy to CIA Director William H. Colby and from 1974-1976 he was the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. General Graham was appointed to the DIA by James Rodney Schlesinger. It was while serving as Director for the DIA that Graham first heard and enbraced the concept of the Peace Sheild, a network of small satellites armed with missiles designed as a defensive strategy to end the nuclear threat of MAD (Mutally Assured Destruction). The Peace Shield was later named "Star Wars" by the media. After his retirement in 1976 Graham worked as a military advisor to Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan quickly embraced the concept of Star Wars and incorporated it into his campaign strategy. "<2>

Lieutenant General Graham also chaired the Coalition for the Strategic Defense Initiative, a group he formed to counter attacks on the Reagan administrations's SDI program. He also a member of the American Freedom Coalition, a conservative grassroots lobby linked to the Unification Church. Graham was vice chairman of the U.S. Council for World Freedom, and has been heavily involved with the Unification Church's political arm, CAUSA, USA.



You don't see a lot of crossovers between the CIA and the Unification Church. That suggests to me that something new and disturbing is going on in terms of right-wing alliances. (It may have something to do with Carlton Sherwood's current association with military-industrial complex types.)

Graham was also a member of the World Anti-Communist League and co-chaired the American Freedom Coalition's rather sinisterly named "Coalition for Peace Through Strength" with General Singlaub of the WACL. He's definitely someone to keep an eye on.

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #74
79. And SDI advocacy ties back in to the Willie Horton ad
http://dir.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/08/25/horton/index.html?pn=2

<Larry> McCarthy <who worked on the ad> and Craig Shirley, who handled P.R. for the Horton ad, have teamed up again <in 2000> under the auspices of the Coalition to Protect Americans Now, or CPAN, which began running TV ads addressing the Clinton administration's position on developing a missile defense system, saying "Clinton and Gore would give the Kremlin a veto over American missile defenses." McCarthy's firm, McCarthy Marcus Hennings Ltd., produced the ads, while Shirley flacked them.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/jan-june00/loophole_6-30.html

KWAME HOLMAN: Tom Mead also heads a 527 group called the Coalition to Protect Americans Now. He created it just last march, had to borrow office space, and mostly works out of his home in Alexandria, Virginia. Mead defended his group's stealth appearance.

TOM MEAD, Director, Coalition to Protect Americans Now: We started because we wanted to see a missile defense deployed. That's what we're working for. It's unfortunate that we've been lumped into a front group for campaigns and these evil people who are trying to upset this political system. All we're trying to do is advance our issue and doing it in the ways that our government says we should.



http://www.townhall.com/chat/archive/000607mead.html

SPEAKER_Tom_Mead: Unfortunately Al Gore has made clear that he is oppossed to effective missile defenses. Short of a catastrophic event like a missile attack on a U.S. city, on American troops or one of our Allies, I don't think a "President Gore" will deploy a missile defense system.

<snip>

General Graham was a great man and really the father of missile defense. We are still talking about a multi-layered system. First from the sea, then from land, and eventually from space. The Pentagon's top missile defense officer recently said that the military needs the sea and space based components in order to do the job effectively. Clinton and Gore are against sea and space based defenses.

<snip>

GWBush has said that he will deploy a system to protect the U.S., our allies and troops will do it quickly. He also said that we need sea and space and that he wouldn't let the ABM Treaty stand in the way. Sounds good to me.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #68
85. Looks like a Who's Who listing of crooks
Wow koko, you just keep humbling me :)
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #68
87. Looks like a Who's Who of crooks (nt)
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #68
94. BTW we have a David Ridenour here, as well as Amy on the new letter
So looks like old David and Amy are best friends with Jarmin...not sure yet lol
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #94
111. Ridenour name on CNP membership
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #111
115. So, the CNP is the key? Jarmin, Lahaye, Ridenour, Bush, et al
Good catch, Outsource! I missed that.

I should have known though...please check and see if either David Kunko or Luigi J.F. Canali (Response Dynamics) are members.

Thanks, and bedtime :(

John
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #115
122. CNP has hundreds of members -- unlikely to be the key
Many of the people who have been named in these threads are CNP members, like Daniel Graham, Robert Grant, Jesse Helms, Gary Jarmin, Tim LaHaye, General Singlaub, and Paul Weyrich.

But but there are also many names from other parts of the extreme right, like Howard Ahmanson, Gary Bauer, Pat Boone, Richard DeVos, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, Jack Kemp, Alan Keyes, Ed Meese, Oliver North, Pat Robertson, Phyllis Schlafly, and John Sununu.

CNP is one of those umbrella organizations the right is so fond of. It may have been more than that when Tim LaHaye founded it over 20 years ago, but these days it seems to be just a big catch-all.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #122
130. yes but...
Let's summarize:

1. We have two scary letters - one from Gary Jarmin, and one from the Ridenours.

2. The letters are nearly identical, the cards too.

3. What do they have in common - direct, specific things?

Both letters mention Response Dynamics, Inc.
Both Jarmin and Ridenour are members of the CNP.
To a lesser extent, both have ties to Moon - Jarmin extensively, Ridenour unknown but so far only one item found online.

4. Either these are individual efforts to scam, both using the same mailing/printing company (RD), or else this is a coordinated effort. I believe it is a coordinated effort, which means that it is directed by someone or something higher...and it ain't God.

5. Putting it another way, who do they scam for? For just themselves? Or for something higher?

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #130
131. I'm sure it's something bigger -- but CNP is just too big
To use an analogy, suppose you were a cop and found out that very similar crimes were being committed by two people who both hung out at Charlie's Bar. You might conclude they were in cahoots, but you wouldn't conclude that everyone at Charlie's Bar was involved. And you wouldn't start interviewing all of Charlie's patrons to try to find other members of the gang. You'd look for something that would narrow it down further.

(Also, I only find an Elizabeth Ridenour on CNP lists -- not Amy or David. So this should be double-checked.)

The National Security Political Action Committee link to Response Dynamics is particularly interesting to me, because they tie back into the Willie Horton ad and also to the whole set of anti-Clinton and anti-Kerry smears since then.

Jack Abramoff, who is a director of the Ridenours' National Center for Public Policy Research and also made a campaign contribution to Charlie Gerow, whose firm was behind "Stolen Honor," is another figure of interest. (The funding sources for "Stolen Honor" have never been revealed, and it seems very unlikely that it was financed, as claimed, by a bunch of disgruntled veterans.) Abramoff *is* CNP -- and he's further linked to Response Dynamics by way of the College Republican National Committee.

But I'm not wedded to either of those notions.

I'm not even sure about the Moon connection at this point. Moon seems to be pushing environmental responsibility these days, along with world peace, while the Ridenours are still on the side of the environmental looters.

I think we should just keep gatherine puzzle pieces until something falls into place and try not to jump to any conclusions.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #131
136. Agreed
One thing is for sure - puzzle pieces are a lot easier to find than the flu vaccine.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #131
155. IMO, the Ridenour's are useful tools. Amy appears on talk shows and
plants information for the RW and the Conservatives. If you look she planted the Iraq Soldier article, she appears on all the cables (according to the research) where she is a "spokesperson" putting out RW talking points...but I think she makes her "pocket change" in the millions off her little "mail business" and the rest from the list of "high rollers" cited on the links I gave.

She's a Christian but I saw her Dad's obituary and he worked for Westinghouse in Pittsburg and there didn't seem to be a tie to anything like Fallwell or anyone else in her background. Her Dad didn't seem to be wealthy, but Amy seems to have gotten very "connected" early on.

I don't see a "Moon" tie to the Ridenours but it could be that it's hidden in their dealings with the "agents of Moon."

How Amy and her husband got into such "high circles" of the crooked is a puzzle to me. There's a picture of them linked on one of my posts. They are very ordinary looking...but they may be the "worker bees" for the high level crooks because they are so ordinary. :shrug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #131
156. IMO, the Ridenour's are useful tools. Amy appears on talk shows and
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 11:58 PM by KoKo01
plants information for the RW and the Conservatives. If you look she planted the Iraq Soldier article, she appears on all the cables (according to the research) where she is a "spokesperson" putting out RW talking points...but I think she makes her "pocket change" in the millions off her little "mail business" and the rest from the list of "high rollers" cited on the links I gave.

She's a Christian but I saw her Dad's obituary and he worked for Westinghouse in Pittsburg and there didn't seem to be a tie to anything like Fallwell or anyone else in her background. Her Dad didn't seem to be wealthy, but Amy seems to have gotten very "connected" early on.

I don't see a "Moon" tie to the Ridenours but it could be that it's hidden in their dealings with the "agents of Moon."

How Amy and her husband got into such "high circles" of the crooked is a puzzle to me. There's a picture of them linked on one of my posts. They are very ordinary looking...but they may be the "worker bees" for the high level crooks and RW Influence peddlers because they are so ordinary. :shrug: They get there "Talking Points" from somewhere, though, and that's not clear to me. For instance, that she signed the letter supporting "Star Wars" and urging Bush I to cancel the ABM treaty shows she has alot of influence. And, her husband David is doing Bush's anti-environmental work by placing "disinformation" in certain places. You don't get that high level without help...but neither of them have the background it seems to run with Bush's Yale crowd...more like they would be tools of Rove or someone else...
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #156
171. Another nice find - didn't see it until just now
Dear, sweet Amy - public profile by day, scams seniors by night.

Might be an easy domino to bring down, once we are ready to bust all these fascist crooks.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #122
154. Jack Kemp's name has come up over and over in what I researched
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 11:41 PM by KoKo01
yesterday. But I concentrated on the source of "Bozo's for Bush's" Mother's letter. And, that comes from the Ridenour's operation in Alexandria. Their ties are to all these folks if one does a search. Phyllis Shafly and Sununu are listed in links I posted for further digs by DU'ers if anyone goes back to the end of several of my posts.

They all attend the same functions. This whole thread is a history and
"current affairs" of the RW, Religious Right and influence peddling by lobbyists funded by the same foundations including the infamous Mellon-Scaife who went after Clinton and hounded him throughout his Presidency.

There are so many trails if one keeps Googling the links we could work
for weeks tracking them all down. But how do we stop this "mail solicitation" which is their "side operation?" They do this to scare the elderly but it also furthers their agenda plus gives them alot of money. :shrug:

I hope folks will keep digging!
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #154
172. We need more help - has everyone nominated this thread?
I wrote Skinner 2 days ago but haven't heard back :(

55,020+ members, and less than 20 working this.

If only the other 55,000+ knew just how much we have dug up, and how important it is, not only for this election, but for our future.

Perhaps I'll private message 199 posters Friday night and see aht kind of response I get.

Bed ZZZZzzzzzzzz
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #115
144. .
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 10:42 PM by OutsourceBush
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:17 PM
Response to Original message
69. It's all connected...need more help Lexis Nexis and Long Time DU'ers
who are lurking but can pull this together...
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:32 PM
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71. Found some Gary Jarmin money trail orgs?
Bozos for Bush: Found some Jarmin "charities" for you.

Gary Jarmin - Director of National Parents' Day Council
Parents Day Council is sponsered by Moons Washington Times foundation
"On behalf of the Washington Times Foundation, sponsor of the Parent’s Day Council"

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.campblaze.org/parents.html&h=180&w=184&sz=11&tbnid=oqyQ51t3s-cJ:&tbnh=93&tbnw=95&start=3&prev=/images%3Fq%3DGary%2BJarmin%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

Possibly Camp Blaze is a Jarmin front charity to funnel money to RW'ers?
link to: Camp Blaze Inc -BOARD OF DIRECTORS for future reference

http://www.campblaze.org/about.html

link to story: Congressional Reception for the Parents of the Year 2000 sponsered by Parents Day Council
http://www.parentsday.com/poy2000/Reception.htm

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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #71
89. Thanks Sage, yet another name to add to the list
I can't wait for the weekend so I can try to organize this again.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:40 PM
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73. "Free Congress Foundation" and Laslo Pasztor (a supposed NAZI)...
Maybe some folks could follow up on these links...or they already have.

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FREE CONGRESS FOUNDATION (FCF)
... CENTER FOR THE DEFENSE OF FREE ENTERPRISE, Ron ... has connections with the Ukrainian
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PROSOX
... | Free Congress Foundation. | Paul Weyrich, President of FCF. | Moral Majority,
Jerry Falwell. | International Policy Forum. | Charles Moser. | Laszlo Pasztor. ...
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... Here's our FCF Fun Fact of the Day: The Free Congress Foundation has had a ... Laszlo
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... ORG CHART . #1: Free Congress Foundation and LASZLO PASZTOR (Nazi Collaborator);
#2: Free Congress Foundation and SCAIFE FUNDING; ...
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... Nor was Laszlo Pasztor the only Nazi figure active in Coors projects. Charles Moser,
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... President of the Free Congress Foundation, which runs NET. If you recall, back in
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... Get a Political Update Direct from Congress Once a Week -- Free! ... 28 Stanton foreign
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... Damm in selecting the personnel from which Reagan made his cabinet appointments;
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. Laszlo Pasztor and the 1988 Bush Sr. campaign
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 06:45 PM by starroute
This story deserves better than to be one among a bunch of links. It stunk at the time and it stinks even more in light of everything that's come out since.


http://www.rememberjohn.com/Nazis.html

Journalist Russ Bellant ("Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party") shows that Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican emigre network. Pasztor, who served as adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate Hungary's Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council.

Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week, disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The article prompted six leaders of Bush's coalition to resign.



http://www.skepticfiles.org/socialis/bushnazi.htm

The campaign may be over, but George Bush still needs to say what he plans to do with the 20-year-old Republican Heritage Groups Council, the ethnic outreach arm of the Republican National Committee. There is substantial evidence to suggest that the council was founded and continues to be led by people and organizations that collaborated with the Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe during the Second World War.

The Bush campaign scored a major success in Sptember when it quickly discharged seven members of its ethnic coalition after a series of of news reports linked them to fascist, anti-Semitic or pro-Nazi organizations. But four of the seven discharged Bush ethnic leaders continue to hold leadership positions within the Heritage Groups Council.

<snip>

The fourth ethnic leader expelled from the Bush campaign was Laszlo Pasztor, who founded the Heritage Groups Council in 1969 with the encouragement of Richard Nixon. It was Mr. Pasztor's job to select the groups and leaders that formed the G.O.P.'s first permanent outreach to ethnic America.

<snip>

When he began selecting people for the Heritage Council, Mr. Pasztor frequently selected those with backgrounds like his. And when he helped form Mr. Nixon's ethinc campaign group for the 1972 election, he opened the doors to numerous people with a Nazi collaborationist past, including some accused of war crimes.




On edit: As I think about it, I believe that Bush Sr. has gotten far too much of a pass from us. We tend to consider him as the relatively sane one compared to his son. But between the Willie Horton ad, his Nazi pals, and his whoring for Moon in the 90's, he's starting to look every bit as loathsome as junior.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #76
82. Agree...think Kevin Philips was trying to tell us...I have his book.
but have not had time to get through it..with reading stuff here and trying to work on "grassroots" for Kerry here in NC...I read so much here "me eyes are gone" by the time I try to get to Philips...but I did hear him on C-Span where he talked to a group...and he really painted a dark picture of Poppy and his Daddy and Granddaddy...

Philips said he had lots of info in his book that should be pursued by "agressive journalists" but so far..I've not seen much out there in "revelations." He cautioned that much of the verification for what he found about the Bushes was now dead, for verification, but still there was so much left that could be followed. :shrug:

If the "Whore Media" had done their job we wouldn't have had to suffer through the Bushes and they had their chance after Watergate/Nixon...but once again they caved.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #76
90. Wow, they really are facists
Great, great find starroute!
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:46 PM
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77. Pasztor - convicted Nazi - Laura Bush's thank you letter - Nixon
Letter of Daniel McAdams (Office of Hon. Ron Paul, M.D.) to Laszlo Pasztor

Letter of Laura Bush to Laszlo Pasztor

http://www.hungarianfed-usa.org/news.htm


Figuring prominently in this effort was Weyrich's right-hand man, Laszlo Pasztor, a former leader of the pro-Nazi Arrow Cross organization in Hungary, which had collaborated with Hitler's Reich. After serving two years in prison for his Arrow Cross activities, Pasztor found his way to the United States, where he was instrumental in establishing the ethnic-outreach arm of the Republican national Committee."

http://watch.pair.com/heritage.html

One of the Nazis recruited by candidate Nixon was Laszlo Pasztor, described by Aarons and Loftus as "the founding chair of Nixon's Republican Heritage Groups council" who, "during World War II . . . was a diplomat in Berlin representing the Arrow Cross government of Nazi Hungary, which supervised the extermination of the Jewish population.

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/Elkhorn5.html





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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #77
91. LOL, so Laura writes to Nazis! What's next? lol
Is anyone else besides me starting to feel really sick inside, and yet laughing not because this is all funny, but because this is all so unbelievable and complex? I feel so stupid - I always hated Bush, but I had no idea...no idea, of what was going on behind my back.

If someone tried to make a movie about all of this, it would have to be a 100-hour miniseries or something like that.

John :(
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requiem99 Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:08 PM
Response to Original message
78. Kick, this is not going to die.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:13 PM
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80. Get a load of this email
From: Damian J. Anderson ([email protected])
Subject: WorldTies: Congratulations to IIPC, AFC/ ALC and ACLC
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.religion.unification
Date: 2004-04-01 05:07:01 PST



http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=Gary+Jarmin&start=10&hl=en&lr=&selm=pradnZjFvetpjvHdRVn-gg%40comcast.com&rnum=17
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #80
88. Holy crap.
:wow:
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #80
93. I'm afraid to look - but I will anyways
Holy crap is right!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:15 PM
Response to Original message
92. Have you sent this to Al Franken and Jeanne Garofalo?
I think one DUer has her contact info, but I can't remember who it was. Also, could Will Pitt do a write up in Truthout?
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:28 PM
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95. Just emailed Skinner
Sent him the link to this thread and asked him to please check it out, told him we need an army here, etc.

I sure hope we can get this elevated.

John
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Peter1x9 Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:58 PM
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97. Medicare Preservation letter
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 10:58 PM by Peter1x9
Here's another link to the images of everything my grandmother got today:

Medicare Preservation Letter, Card, and envelopes:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1108892&mesg_id=1114135&page=

I blew up the fine print just now (there's no way an older person could read this in its original form):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1108892&mesg_id=1116449&page=
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #97
101. LOL, "Thank you and God Bless. I promise that I...
will absolutely give every ounce of myself in this battle."

The exact same line ends the Scary SS letter too.

So, Response Dynamics, Inc. is a turnkey operation. People pay them to send this crap out, and they reap a percentage of the "charitable" contributions in return.

I wonder if they themselves claim to be a charity. lol

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #97
102. Here's a snip of the "Fear Merchants" article that was posted on an
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 12:25 AM by KoKo01
the original thread. I still can't understand why this isn't illegal even after reading the comments from this "investigative" article. :shrug: Why couldn't any of us just write people and ask them for money claiming we have "influence with the government?" Who's to check?

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The fear merchants

Diana Walsh, OF THE EXAMINER STAFF
Sunday, February 8, 1998
Four different letterheads<

Moritz Ridenour said her organization sent donors up to a dozen major pitches a month. The appeals are sent on four different letterheads.

She said anyone receiving more than a dozen solicitations in a month probably was on mailing lists the National Center has "rented" from other organizations, which she said were outside her control. When lists are rented, a group pays to use the list but for proprietary reasons isn't allowed to look at individual names or cross reference for duplications on their own lists.


The uses of bugbears <

Frequently, the groups create villains for their fund-raising appeals. In past years it was Ted Kennedy. Currently popular targets of vitriol are Bill and Hillary Clinton, linked to everything from drug dealers to murder to endangering programs for the elderly.

Amy Moritz Ridenour, president of the National Center for Public Policy Research, says that emotional pitches get results, and insists that would-be donors don't want the details.

"It's just that you're competing with a lot of other organizations. People seem to respond better to emotion than they do with letters that have lots and lots of facts," said Moritz, who said her letters were written by a direct-mail firm, Response Dynamics, but read by her before they were sent. "You have to give something that is light enough that people will be willing to read it upon receipt. . . . If they don't read it right at that moment, all the studies show they never will."

She said the center used to write explicit letters about her plans for the donations, but the pleas went unanswered.

No apology <

Moritz Ridenour is unapologetic about the mailings.

"We assume most people are capable of taking care of themselves, and if there is something they have a desire about, they will let us know," she said.

The appeals often are packaged with "open me" gimmicks:

*A delivery marked "EXPRESS" is fourth-class bulk mail from the American Federation of Senior Citizens.

*An envelope that says Jury Duty Notice is a pitch from the Coalition of Politically Active Christians.

*Another with what appears to be a handwritten address is a computer-generated plea for money from the American Federation of Senior Citizens.

*Other clear plastic envelopes reveal coins, dollar bills and stamps inside.

"They come up with what they consider glitzy packaging so people will open it because most people who get junk mail will place it straight into recycling," said Belinda Johns, a deputy attorney general for the state of California.

Disposable income <

She and other experts say seniors become targets because they may have more time, more interest in public policy, more disposable income and sometimes more susceptibility to scare tactics.

Johns, who is in charge of prosecuting marketing fraud, says there is little her office can do. Because the groups don't promise to spend revenues on particular programs, she says, they are doing nothing illegal.

"They are smarter to say, "Help me fight,' instead of saying, "I'm going to use the money for this specific purpose,' because that puts it into a restricted trust," Johns said.

U.S. Rep. Pete Stark, D-Hayward, who for years has been trying to warn the public about fright mail, says many of the groups do nothing to influence legislation.

"They are greedy and frighten seniors unnecessarily," he said. Many "are doing nothing to change the laws. . . . Their whole point is to get a mailing list and make money. They spend the least amount of money on lobbying of any groups I know."

A question of fraud <

In a letter to the U.S. Postal Service, Stark recently asked inspectors to investigate whether mailings by the nonprofit United Seniors Association and the Seniors Coalition amounted to fraud when they suggested that Medicare benefits for seniors were in jeopardy. But Stark says short of class-action suits against the groups, little can be done to stop them.

"You can keep calling attention to them, and you can keep waiting for them to step over the bounds and hope that the Fourth Estate calls attention to their practices, but I don't know if ridicule is enough to stop people like this," Stark said. "It's one of the prices we pay for the freedom of democracy. . . . It's a tenuous legal argument that frightening senior citizens is not allowable under the First Amendment."

Fund-raising groups of all kinds build lists largely through other lists.

Consumers end up on mailing lists after making donations to causes, purchasing goods by telephone or mail or subscribing to magazines.

Proliferating lists <

Mailing lists are like cells dividing, growing wildly as they are sold or rented. Consumers who respond are tagged with what "fright mail" experts term "gold stars" and attached to "sucker" or "mooch" lists.

Shelby says she doesn't care much for politics, isn't concerned about particular legislation and admires just one politician: Ronald Reagan, whose picture sits on her bookshelf along with photos of her daughter and grandson.

Her first political contact came in the early 1980s when her son-in-law asked her to donate to Pete Wilson's senate campaign. The donation landed her on several lists, but it wasn't until the last few years that the volume of mail began to grow.

When the letters first started arriving, Shelby was flattered to get attention from important people. But during the 1996 election, the flurries of mail turned to a blizzard.

Request to stop ignored

Even after her family wrote asking solicitations to stop, eight to 10 letters a day continued to pour in. In four months last year, her mail box was deluged with 685 letters from 78 organizations - nearly half from Response Dynamics, a direct-mail house in Fredericksburg, Va., that mailing on behalf of more than a half dozen organizations. Response Dynamics did not return phone calls from a reporter.

More of this investigative report at.........
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/a/1998/02/08/NEWS3642.dtl





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Peter1x9 Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:59 PM
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99. Kick
:kick:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #99
104. again
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:57 AM
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112. Ok, so more good dirt
1. Response Dynamics - remember, they get a percentage of contributions from victims of both scary letters.

NAMES
David Kunko, Treasurer/Secretary/Director
Luigi J.F. Canali, position unknown

2. College Republican National Committee - they give lots of money to RD

NAMES - all in Alexandria, positions unknown
Doug McGregor
Alison Aikele
Eric Hoplin
Michael Krueger
Camille Hart

3. Jarmin - more dirt:

a) Christian Voice denies it is a charity to the State of Minnesota: http://www.crcmn.org/review/christianvoice.pdf

b) Christian Voice scams more than $6 million just in Kentucky in 2002: http://ag.ky.gov/cp/400.htm

c) American Christian Cause only got $1.1 million in Kentucky in 2002 (poor guys): http://ag.ky.gov/cp/0.htm

d) Many more Alexandria charities - but you can only go there once, you must signup, and then the next time you go there it doesn't do anything for you unless you donate LOLOL. They had a huge list of charities in ALexandria - hundreds, plus I saw a graph on Christian Voice or American Christian Cause which showed $1 mill in revenue, $1.7 million in expenses, $2 mill in liabilities, and less than $3000 in assets LOL - I thought I could sign back in later and copy everything, but it won't let me do anything anymore - so someone sign up, search, find the stuff and remember you can only do it once...sorry.

www.guidestar.org

e) Amy M. and David Ridenour - the scary Health Care letter

Global warming - http://www.agiweb.org/gap/legis106/climate_hearings.html

Tort Reform - http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:zYA2DiPKKogJ:www.atr.org/pdffiles/aculawsuitabusetaskforce.pdf+ridenour+health+care+reform+task+force+alexandria&hl=en

Washington Times (of course!) - http://www.mediaresearch.org/mediawatch/1995/watch19950801.asp

David Ridenour's email address: http://www.internationalconsumers.org/members.htm

Well, bedtime - can't wait for Friday night so I can stay up all night digging.

John

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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #112
120. Our Luigi Canali is an expert at presentations, mailing, etc
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #112
125. Is that the David Kunko who's trying to suppress voting in New Mexico?
It doesn't seem likely, but he's the only person of that name who comes up when I Google:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6125273

"The state Supreme Court said Tuesday morning that only first-time voters who register by mail will be required to present identification at the polls.

"In a four-to-one ruling, the court rejected arguments by Republicans that identification should be required for all new voters, except those who registered in person at a county clerk's office.

"The court orders Chaves County Clerk David Kunko to abide by the decision.


http://roswell-record.com/archives/092804/news06.html

At issue is how many of New Mexico’s tens of thousands of newly registered voters will be required to show identification at the polls.

The tug-of-war pits Republicans who say a broad ID requirement would curb vote fraud against Democrats who say it would disrupt the election and disenfranchise voters.

Democratic Secretary of State Rebecca Vigil-Giron has interpreted a 2003 state law to mean that only new voters who register by mail must meet the ID requirement.

Republican Chaves County Clerk David Kunko — backed by a Roswell district judge — wants to require ID from all new voters who did not register in person at his office.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #112
129. Not sure, saw the same thing this morning but didn't post it
Not a very common name though.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:06 AM
Response to Original message
114. kick and good night :) (nt)
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 03:27 AM
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117. I'm starting to think Mr. Moon is a massive CIA operation
"In 1977, Congressman Donald Fraser launched an investigation into Moon’s background. The 444-page Congressional report alleged Moonie involvement with bribery, bank fraud, illegal kickbacks and arms sales. The report revealed that Moon’s 20,000-member Unification Church was a creation of Korean Central Intelligence Agency (KCIA) Director Kim Chong Phil as a political tool to influence U.S. foreign policy. The U.S. CIA was the agency primarily responsible for the founding of the KCIA."

This may sound crazy, but Moon just seems to have too much capabilty. Is it possible that an American President or other individuals setup the KCIA as an off-the-books shadow agency to the CIA to ensure that communism could never fully infiltrate the USA from within? An insurance policy of sorts for a non-communist future of the USA. Could it be that the KCIA is affecting US internal policy from without through shadow groups such as Moon's many organizations, much the way our CIA works on other countries from within. If they are this could be a dangerous situation if they get out of control as we are now seeing.


http://www.americanatheist.org/spr00/T2/fitrakis.html
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 04:01 AM
Response to Reply #117
118. Moon's American Freedom Coalition (AFC) staged pro-Gulf War rallies
"Moon's American Freedom Coalition (AFC) staged pro-Gulf War rallies in all fifty states in 1990 and 1991, including a rally of 400 people at the Statue of Liberty. ("Pro-War Rally Near Lady Liberty: 'Let Freedom Ring' 400 Activists Told," "Bergen County Record," February 10, 1991.)"

That would be a nice CIA thing to do huh.

"After Congress cut off CIA funding for the contras in 1984, the Moonie-supported WACL helped provide contra arms and money. Moon's front group CAUSA also provided contra money."

Again, nice CIA thing to do huh.

"President George Bush was head of the CIA when Koreagate broke in 1976 and knew the above details. Despite that, Bush (1) Did nothing to oppose the Unification Church's deceptive, coercive, brainwashing tactics {advanced cia brainwashing tactics purhaps?} or designs on our political system, and (2) In 1995 spoke at a series of Moon rallies in the U.S. and Japan. The rallies were hosted by Mrs. Moon's front group Women's Federation for World Peace (WFWP). (Jolen Chang, "Asian Fortune," March 1995.) Bush received one million pounds for payment according to the "British Daily Mail."

"George Bush claimed innocence and gave his only interview on the subject to the Moonie owned paper, "The Washington Times.""

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/bushmoon.html
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #117
119. It's very odd how he's never mentioned except by C-Span callers and
the hosts always act like the callers are "conspiracy theorists."

How is this one man so powerful? And how much of the RW does he fund? He's very good friends with Poppy and Barb and many in House and Senate.

Yet...most Americans don't know much about him...particularly the younger ones who don't remember when the "Moonies" were a "cult."
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:51 AM
Response to Reply #119
176. I think most people associate the word 'moonies" with those
silly looking bald guys that hang around airports. The mental image just doesn't seem very worrisome. Most people probably think he went away in the 60's as well, since you just don't hear about him any more.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #176
247. Those were the Hare Krishnas
The Moonies were the kids who stood on highway medians selling flowers.

Reader's Digest (yes, I know, hard-right and always has been, but my mom has subscribed since she was 18 so we always got it, and I read everything I can get hold of) used to tear Moon up, man. About once every three issues there would be a first-person account of How My Daughter Ran Away and Joined the Moonie Church--the kid would sleep in a used trailer with 85 other moonies, be forbidden to flush the toilet for fear the john would run up the water bill, be fed a 900-calorie diet and be forced to sell Moon souvenirs 18 hours a day.

Then the Moon slams ended.

This is why the American people think Moon disappeared--he's not in the Reader's Digest anymore.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #117
121. Yes, that's entirely possible
One of my clients is ex-CIA. He was in a high profile position in Pakistan in the mid-1950s to early 1960s. He left the Agency because as he puts it, "I wasn't a very good spy." In reality he fell in love with the people and culture (many people don't realize that Lahore was a world class city and cultural center back then -- it's starting to come back now).

A couple of months ago we were talking about shadow groups operating within the government and he mentioned that at the time he was in the Agency, that it's policies and actions were almost entirely dictated by a small group of Eastern European hawks and anti-communists. Given that Moon started his Unification Church in 1956 (IIRC), the idea that Moon and the KCIA were a CIA shadow agency is entirely consistent with my client's statements.



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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #117
123. Googling on Moon and CIA, found an interesting Wayne Madsen piece
It only mentions Moon and the CIA in passing, but has a lot more of interest about Moon's international connections.

The Rev, Bush & North Korea
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen01142003.html

When President Bush added North Korea to his list of "Axis of Evil" nations, the influence of the self-declared reincarnation of Jesus Christ, the "Reverend" Sun Myung Moon of the Unification Church, loomed largely over the White House decision-making process. The decision by Bush to throw into the trash heap of history eight years of a joint American-South Korean-Japanese dialogue with the reclusive Communist regime would ultimately result in Pyongyang returning to using the rhetoric of bygone years.

<snip>

For twenty years, Moon's main policy laundering enterprise for his incessant influence-peddling has been The Washington Times, the money-losing newspaper he owns outright through New World Communications, Inc., the paper's parent publishing company. New World also owns Insight Magazine, The Middle East Times (based in Cairo), Zambezi Times (based in Lusaka, Zambia), newspapers in Uruguay and Canada, a textbook publishing company in Russia, and United Press International, the formerly well-respected wire service that fell on hard financial times and was bailed out by Moon's seemingly unlimited cash flows.

<snip>

In addition to his media empire, Moon also owns a Jonestown-type compound in Brazil called New Hope. He has also invested in the sparsely-populated and impoverished Marshall Islands. He has infiltrated one of the secessionist movements fighting for independence for the Angolan enclave of Cabinda. Moon's favorites in Africa included some of the CIA's most reliable clients: UNITA in Angola and RENAMO in Mozambique. Moon's fronts even maintained a dialogue with Pol Pot's murderous Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:21 AM
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124. Reverend Moon and the Homeland Security racket
Rev Moon, Richard Scaife, CSIS, and 'Homeland Security'
12 Sep 2002
http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs0209/0915_dhs_moon.html

Some recommended reading for back-to-schoolers, including those in Congress: a July 22, 2002, cover story in the Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Insight Magazine, titled "Security Blanket." If you usually avoid Moon-connected publications, for good and sufficient reason, read this one with a view to learning where our national policy comes from:

"Bush's plan <for the 'Department of Homeland Security'> also shows the fingerprints of a series of homeland-security and related reports prepared by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), an independent think tank, under the general direction of veteran journalist Arnaud de Borchgrave with grants from Pittsburgh philanthropist Richard Mellon Scaife. And it should: Bush's special assistant for Homeland Security, Frank Cilluffo, was day-to-day manager of the CSIS studies and is regarded by professionals as one of the best-informed and most forward-looking thinkers on the issue."

<snip>

However, the article does not mention that "veteran journalist Arnaud de Borchgrave" was editor-in-chief of the Washington Times, another Reverend Moon publication, from 1985 to 1991, and is still editor-at-large at the Times. Mr. de Borchgrave has also been President and CEO of United Press International, another Moon-owned media entity, where he is also now editor-at-large. Nor does it mention that Mr. Cilluffo has co-authored publications with Mr. de Borchgrave and has directed seven "task forces" under a "Global Organized Crime Project" headed for years by Mr. de Borchgrave, according to CSIS.

Nor does it mention that in June 2001, Mr. Cilluffo was appointed to the Board of Directors and to the audit committee of a company named Litronic, Inc, now part of SSP Solutions, Inc. SSP stands for Secure Service Provider; the company is largely a government contractor. ... Any new 'Department of Homeland Security' would inevitably do business with SSP-Litronic.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 12:33 PM
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126. I don't think the CIA is in control of things any more
I've been starting to fit this Moon stuff in with certain conclusions I was reaching while working on the Plame threads. The bottom line is, I don't think the CIA's in the driver's seat any more.

The heyday of the CIA ran from the early 50's to the early 70's. But they lost a lot of clout in the aftermath of Watergate/Vietnam/COINTELPRO, and the real power began to flow through other channels.

In the late 70's, the New Right started getting its act together. By the early 80's, when the Reagan administration decided to defy Congress by channeling aid to the Contras, they did it not through the CIA but through General Singlaub and the World Anti-Communist League.

In the late 70's, BCCI started buying US banks and other properties of value. The Pakistani nuclear program, which was funded by BCCI, may have been winked at by the CIA but it was not under US control.

In the late 70's, the CIA started cranking up a massive opium-growing and drug-running operation on behalf of the Afghan mujeheddin. The profits being realized were so massive as to give the people in control of them a measure of power independent of the US government.

In the late 70's and early 80's, rogue operations began to proliferate. The Nugan Hand Bank was one of these. There were also a variety of dubious enterprises connected with Richard Secord and his associates -- as I recall, these included both dealings with Libya's Qadafi and skimming off profits from Iran-Contra.

Even George H.W. Bush's brief tenure as head of the CIA may have had less to do with restoring its influence than with bringing it under the control of him and his cronies.


This loss of CIA and even general US control over what is going on in the world has only intensified since the 90's. These days, there are a host of sinister and unscrupulous individuals and groups operating as an international underworld, such as the Russian/Israeli Mafiya or arms-dealer Viktor Bout. There are also Americans who continue to operate in defiance of official US policies, like the oil interests who were supporting Azerbaijan in its war against Armenia in the early 90's.


Reverend Moon's history exactly parallels all of these developments. In the 1960's and 1970's, he was a weird Korean evangelist being funded by the Korean CIA, probably with encouragement from the US. In the 1980's, he made common cause with the New Right and was associated with rogue right-wing operations, like Iran-Contra and the support of apartheid in South Africa. Then about 1990, he started distancing himself from his more dubious connections and reinventing himself as an advocate of world peace and equal of national leaders.

If Moon was ever controlled by the CIA, those days are long gone. He's a power unto himself now, one with the power to buy up small nations and to influence even large ones.
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #126
127. Not the CIA, but rather the KCIA
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 02:00 PM by OutsourceBush
the apparent shadow CIA agency/group. In order to be able to operate in the US they can not be directly controlled by the US CIA.

I think he is still under control of KCIA and I think it is still a massive ongoing operation, and it was design by whoever to be perpetual (to live forever). The agenda being, to fight against whatever it's perceives as a drift toward communism.

Who could have setup such a massive anti-communist shadow group that may now be getting out of control? I can only think of one man that devious. Richard Nixon, the man who prided himself on being the anti-communist President.

Did they ever meet? "Reverend Moon was invited to the White House, where he met with President Richard Nixon."

http://www.tongil.org/rev_mrs_moon.html

Going back further: "Working with the KCIA, Moon made his first trip to the US in 1965 and obtained an audience with former President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Ike, along with former President Harry S. Truman"

http://www.americanatheist.org/spr00/T2/fitrakis.html

Yes, Mr. Moon is omnipresent in the Republican party since Nixon/Eisenhower. He is everywhere and everything.

"And in America, as he had in Japan, Moon began to move among the political elite: From Dwight Eisenhower ...to Strom Thurmond...to Richard Nixon...Moon has gladhanded and corresponded with an astonishing array of political figures."

http://www.mediachannel.org/originals/moontranscript.shtml
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:03 PM
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128. Moon's followers are involved in a three day fast for Nixon, other support
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 02:15 PM by OutsourceBush
"Hundreds of Reverend Moon's followers are involved in a three day fast for Nixon on the Capitol steps in an attempt to influence public opinion during the exposure of Watergate misdeeds."

http://www.winterboy.com/dejavu11.html

Moon and his Unification Church capture the attention of the American media by supporting Nixon. Moon travels across the nation proclaiming, "Forgive, Love, Unite." "The office of the President of the US is sacred," Moon says. "God has chosen Richard Nixon to be President. Therefore, only God has the power and authority to dismiss him." On December 11, Nixon sends a statement of appreciation to Moon and the Unification Church for their support. Hundreds of Moon followers demonstrate outside the White House in support of Nixon. When Moon next receives an audience with Nixon, the two embrace.

http://www.winterboy.com/dejavu11.html
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 08:36 PM
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138. The pattern emerges -- please see my posts #134 and #137
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 09:16 PM by starroute
I've been trying to add things to the thread where they have a logical connection, but I realize this means they can be overlooked. So if you're just checking for new additions, please see my posts above.

I've found that many of the individuals mentioned on this thread are connected by way of the College Republican National Committee. Morton Blackwell was its mentor in the late 60's. Karl Rove and Lee Atwater were members in the early 70's when it was literally a school for Nixonian dirty tricks. Jack Abramoff and Grover Norquist turned it into a center of pro-Reagan activism in the early 80's.

There are connections that reach out from these individuals in several directions -- to the fascist right-wing of Paul Weyrich and the late J. Peter Grace, to the campaign dirty tricks of 1988's Willie Horton ad and 2004's "Stolen Honor," and to current direct-mail fundraising scams being carried on through Response Dynamics. (Even the College Republican National Committee iself is currently engaged in direct-mail fundraising through Response Dynamics. They deny deliberately targeting the elderly.)

The one person prominent on this thread who isn't part of this cluster is Gary Jarmin. It seems that he's a Moonie first, last, and always, and except for his use of Response Dynamics for scams of his own, he doesn't have much in common with the rest of this bunch. But Gary was the starting point that brought out the rest of the story, and for that we should be grateful to him.

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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #138
141. LOL, I add my sincere thanks to Gary Jarmin
Gary, you're da man! Without you, just imagine how blind some of us would still be.

Enjoy that cash while you can,

Sincerely
The DU Rag-Tags

OK, time to get to work and find some more dirt :)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #138
159. Ahhhh that might be the tie in to how the Ridenour's got started...
I couldn't quite understand how such seemingly ordinary people got so involved and have so much power as "thought lobbyists" for the RW...

I just posted earlier my thoughts on them...back up in the thread tonight, but I'm too tired to look for the post number...

Probably reading through everything on this thread makes sense if one has the time...maybe by the weekend, more will sort out and we will know what final connection we are looking for.
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 08:56 PM
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142. we should send your Mom roses
and be sure to tell her she did a fantastic job of raising a good, decent son.

We love you , Mom!
-Jude
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #142
145. LOL thanks, but I think that should be "moms"
Lots of good folks here trying to unravel this.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:23 PM
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147. A new angle I am working on - who raises money for Bush from Virginia
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 10:26 PM by Bozos for Bush
Everyone agrees the vast right wing conspiracy is a real monster, so I started trying to think in a new way tonight...

What does the monster need in order to grow (and take over America)?

A way to scam the masses - for example, Response Dynamics
A way to get the message out - for example, FOX News
A way to guarantee success - for example, Diebold
A way to keep people off their backs.

Please feel free to add others.

So I started looking into Diebold, rediscovered Warren O'Dell, the CEO and the guy who said he would deliver Ohio to Bush, found out he is a Bush Pioneer...and then decided to research the Pioneers further. After all, they give money directly to the Bush campaign, so if Jarmin was a Pioneer, for example, we would have powerful evidence. Sadly, Jarmin was not listed. However, perhaps we could directly link Jarmin or the Ridenours to a Pioneer.

The following is a list of all Pioneers and Rangers for Bush, from the state of Virginia:

Name State Occupation Employer Industry Sector
Mr. Scott Andrews III VA Co-founder, Managing Partner Winston Partners Finance, Insurance & Real Estate Finance & Investment
Juan Carlos Benitez VA Senior Vice President Cassidy & Associates Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Charlie & Judy Black VA Lobbyists BKSH & Associates; Brownstein Hyatt & Far Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Kirk Blalock VA Lobbyist Fierce Isakowitz & Blalock Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Joseph H. Bogosian VA Deputy Assistant Secretary U.S. Department of Commerce Other Civil Servants/Public Officials
Leslie J. Brorsen VA Managing Director Government Relations Ernst & Young Finance, Insurance & Real Estate Accountants
Marvin Pierce Bush VA Co-Founder Winston Partners Finance, Insurance & Real Estate Finance & Investment
Cesar V. Conda VA Partner D.C. Navigators LLC Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Mr. Louis Cordia VA President Cordia Compaines Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Peter Davidson VA Senior vice president Verizon Communications & Electronics Telecommunications
Mr. Alan M. Dunn VA Attorney Stewart & Stewart Lawyers & Lobbyists Lawyers/Law Firms
Gov. John Engler VA President State & Local Government Business EDS Communications & Electronics Computers
Richard Fink VA Executive Vice President Koch Industries Energy & Natural Resources Oil & Gas
W. Heywood Fralin VA CEO Medical Facilities of America Health Nursing Homes/Home Care
Lisa Guillermin Gable VA Founder Guillermin Group Miscellaneous Business Business Support Services
Kevin Gentry VA Vice President Strategic Development Koch Charitable Foundation Energy & Natural Resources Oil & Gas
Michael Govan VA Lobbyist Legacy Group Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Steve Hanks VA President & CEO Washington Group International Construction Heavy Construction
Richard F. Hohlt VA President Hohlt & Co. Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Paul C. Jost VA Owner Chandler Management Corp Finance, Insurance & Real Estate Real Estate
Bobbie & William Greene Kilberg VA Attorney Gibson Dunn & Crutcher Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Jerry Kilgore VA Attorney General State of Virginia Other Civil Servants/Public Officials
Stephen Lessing Jr. VA Student University of Virginia Other Education Workers
Kevin P. McMahon VA Vice President, Government Affairs TRW Automotive Transportation Automotive
Jeffrey L. McWaters VA Chair & CEO AMERIGROUP Corp. Health Hospitals/HMOs/Clinics
Mr. David A. Metzner VA Managing Director American Continental Group Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Ziad Ojakli VA Vice President Corporate Affairs Ford Motor Co. Transportation Automotive
Kevin & Patty O'Neill VA Lobbyist Patton Boggs Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Bill Paxon VA Lobbyist Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Jerry Pierce-Santos VA President InterAmerica, Inc. Miscellaneous Business Miscellaneous Business
David Rehr VA Lobbyist National Beer Wholesalers Assoc. Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Stephen Sandherr VA CEO Associated General Contractors of America Construction Other Contractors
Mary Beth Savary-Taylor VA Vice President Government Relations American Hospital Association Health Hospitals/HMOs/Clinics
Mr. Dwight C. Schar VA Chair & CEO NVR Homes Construction Home Builders
John Patrick Schmitz VA Lobbyist Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
John Sherman Jr. VA Vice Chair Scott & Stringfellow Finance, Insurance & Real Estate Finance & Investment
Nicholas F. Taubman VA Ex-Chair Advance Auto Parts Transportation Automotive
William L. Thomas VA Attorney Pilsbury Winthrop Lawyers & Lobbyists Lawyers/Law Firms
Frederick L. Webber VA Retired CEO & President American Chemistry Council Energy & Natural Resources Chemical & Related Manufacturing
Robert Wright VA Chair Emeritus Dimensions International Communications & Electronics Computers

Sorry, that's all I got so far - want to investigate these guys, especially the lobbyists, since the AFSC for example "lobbies."

Working...


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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #147
149. Just lobbyists - 15 of them
Name State Occupation Employer Industry Sector
Juan Carlos Benitez VA Senior Vice President Cassidy & Associates Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Charlie & Judy Black VA Lobbyists BKSH & Associates; Brownstein Hyatt & Far Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Kirk Blalock VA Lobbyist Fierce Isakowitz & Blalock Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Cesar V. Conda VA Partner D.C. Navigators LLC Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Mr. Louis Cordia VA President Cordia Compaines Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Mr. Alan M. Dunn VA Attorney Stewart & Stewart Lawyers & Lobbyists Lawyers/Law Firms
Michael Govan VA Lobbyist Legacy Group Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Richard F. Hohlt VA President Hohlt & Co. Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Bobbie & William Greene Kilberg VA Attorney Gibson Dunn & Crutcher Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Mr. David A. Metzner VA Managing Director American Continental Group Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Kevin & Patty O'Neill VA Lobbyist Patton Boggs Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
Bill Paxon VA Lobbyist Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
David Rehr VA Lobbyist National Beer Wholesalers Assoc. Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
John Patrick Schmitz VA Lobbyist Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw Lawyers & Lobbyists Lobbyists
William L. Thomas VA Attorney Pilsbury Winthrop Lawyers & Lobbyists Lawyers/Law Firms

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #147
152. Jack Abramoff is a Bush pioneer
He's also up to his neck in trouble over Indian casinos.

Roger Stone, the old pal of Terry Dolan's who was suspected of being involved in the CBS memo caper, is also getting rich off Indian casions.

It seems like these gambling concessions get handed out to people with political ties, and then they're free to rake in the money -- at least, until the tribes complain and it all goes to court.

Maybe we should be looking at this as a possible source of funding for dirty tricks. Somehow, it seems to match very well with scamming little old ladies.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #147
160. For a start the Ridenour's are funded by Foundations. I listed the
foundations on their website. If we track the Foundations by Gooling the names + Ridenour we could probably find a link. Sarah Mellon-Scaife and Richard funded the whole Paula Jones and Whitewater scam against Clinton...so we know they are part of this...

Ties with Reverand Moon to Scaife and the other foundations like "Castle Rock" (Coors), etc are already known...but something might turn up by checking those names with our "cast of characters" for a more direct link?
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:51 PM
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151. Solid link between CNP and voting machines! Woohoo
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 10:53 PM by Bozos for Bush
http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingMachineCompanies.htm

In 1999, American Information Systems (AIS), purchased Business Records Corp (BRC) to become ES&S
American Information Systems (AIS):
AIS (1980) was formerly Data Mark (1979), both founded by brothers Bob and Todd Urosevich. Bob is currently president of Diebold (see below). Todd Urosevich is Vice President, Aftermarket Sales of ES&S.
AIS was primarily funded with money from Ahmanson brothers, William and Robert, of H.F. Ahmanson Co. (Howard ?), holding company for the nation's largest savings and loan association and a group of Omaha-based insurance companies, at the time. http://www.essvote.com/index.php?section=exec&rightnav=about&f_exec_id=4
Howard Ahmanson belongs to Council for National Policy (hard right wing organization) http://www.ifas.org/cnp/name98.html. Howard Ahmanson also helps finance The Chalcedon Institute: "Established in 1965, Chalcedon (kal-SEE-dun) is a non-profit 501(c)(3) and Christian educational organization devoted to research, publishing, and promoting Christian reconstruction in all areas of life... Our emphasis on the Cultural or Dominion Mandate (Genesis 1:28) and the necessity of a return to Biblical Law has been a a crucial factor in the challenge to Humanism by Christians in this country and elsewhere... A world that is increasingly pessimistic and disillusioned with the failure of secular Humanism is now feeling the impact of Christians who are exercising dominion and reclaiming lost spheres of authority for Christ the King." http://www.chalcedon.edu/ / critical profile: the organization's purpose is to establish Old Testament Biblical law as the standard for society. Chalcedon promotes Christian Reconstructionism -- which mandates Christ's dominion over all the world. http://www.ifas.org/fw/9501/chalcedon.html

Members of Council for National Policy (hard right wing organization) http://www.ifas.org/cnp/name98.html and The Chalcedon Institute:
Nelson Bunker Hunt
Rev. R. J. Rushdoony of The Chalcedon Institute
Howard Ahmanson

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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:05 AM
Response to Reply #151
177. Not good!
These idiots would not think twice about rigging voting machines!

Chalcedon Institute "the organization's purpose is to establish Old Testament Biblical law as the standard for society"
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:19 AM
Response to Reply #151
178. ES&S has a connection to the Bush family.

ES&S also has a connection to the Bush family. Jeb Bush's first choice as running mate in 1998 was Sandra Mortham who was a paid lobbyist for ES&S and received a commission for every county that bought its touch-screen machines.

http://www.tribemagazine.com/board/showthread.php?s=83c006f9b37b216f1bf8f8cc5ba45093&threadid=42949
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:20 AM
Response to Reply #178
179. Helping America Vote Right
"The Christian worldview is the answer. We need Christian statesmen who press for the Crown Rights of Jesus Christ in all areas of life. This isn't political salvation or an overnight fix. It will take decades of mobilization and confrontation to undo a century of godless socialism. It must be a grassroots movement that starts in individual families and churches and then moves outward to take dominion. It must encompass every area of life and not just the political arena. Finally, it must start soon, for there isn't much time left. The Florida elections have taught us that the Democrats with their liberal/socialistic worldview will stop at nothing to seize control of the government."

-- Dr. Val Finnell, published by the Chalcedon Institute
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:24 AM
Response to Reply #178
180. ES&S voting irregulatities - landslide for Republican in Nebraska

Chuck Hagel first ran for the U.S. Senate in Nebraska in 1996. Electronic voting machines owned by Election Systems & Software (ES&S) reported that he had won both the primaries and the general election in unprecedented victories. His 1996 victory was considered one of the biggest upsets of that election. He was the first Republican to win a Nebraska senatorial campaign in 24 years and won virtually every demographic group, including many largely black communities that had never before voted Republican.

Six years later Hagel ran again against Democrat Charlie Matulka in 2002, and won in a landslide. He was re-elected to his second term with 83% of the vote: the biggest political victory in the history of Nebraska. Again, the votes were counted by ES&S, now the largest voting machine company in America.

http://www.tribemagazine.com/board/showthread.php?s=83c006f9b37b216f1bf8f8cc5ba45093&threadid=42949
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:28 AM
Response to Reply #151
181. Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia - top voter machine companies
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 04:28 AM by OutsourceBush
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:32 AM
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182. Diebold supports CNP
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 05:23 AM
Response to Reply #182
186. Diebold fraud - Republicans win 6 different elections againsts polls
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 05:24 AM by OutsourceBush
Vote machine fraud. Seems to always favor Repubublicans for some strange reason.

http://www.bartcop.com/111102fraud.htm
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 03:09 AM
Response to Reply #181
240. Sequoia - linked to Bushes and Carlyle Group (Saudis)
"Sequoia is also linked to the Bush family: De La Rue’s corporate parent, private equity firm Madison Dearborn, is a partner of the Carlyle Group, the investment firm that employs the current president’s father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush."

http://www.ecotalk.org/VotingMachineCompanies.htm
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:33 PM
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153. Other direct-mail fundraising agencies
I've started Googling for right-wing fundraising agencies that are similar to Response Dynamics, and it seems that none of them are very clean. Response Dynamics may be merely the tip of the iceberg.

For example, here's an item on fundraising carried out by Marilyn Price of Fairfax, Virginia, formerly of Response Dynamics, on behalf of Veterans of the Vietnam War, Inc.

http://www.aiipowmia.com/ssc/ssc38.html

From 1985 through 1991, more than 2.5 million highly emotional, urgent solicitations were mailed on behalf of VVnW claiming that live U.S. servicemen were being held captive and that rescue could be achieved through VVnW. One, sent in 1991, stated:

"Thanks to your support, Veterans of the Vietnam War, Inc. has sent a delegation to Vietnam to negotiate for the release of our POW's. During these meetings in Vietnam, the Vietnamese leaders told our representatives that American POW's are still alive in Southeast Asia! THEY ADMITTED IT -- FINALLY! This confirms live sighting reports collected by the other 'core' groups. We're making some important progress as negotiations continue."

<snip>

Another solicitation from VVnW claimed that Norwegian workers in Vietnam had seen POW's who had called out to them. In all, solicitation materials prepared by Price were sent to hundreds of thousands of Americans netting more than $11,000,000 since 1984.

In one fundraising campaign, Price of The Creative Advantage, Inc., arranged for the production and broadcast of a television commercial asking viewers to call a toll-free telephone number to get a petition to the President of the United States. ... Broadcast over the Christian Broadcasting Network and numerous cable television channels, the advertisement was extremely successful, resulting in more than 125,000 requests for petitions. ... Rather than delivering these petitions to the President of the United States, as promised, VVnW simply collected and stored the petitions, adding the names on those petitions to its mailing and phone lists to be used in additional fundraising solicitations.



And here's a story involving Bruce W. Eberle & Associates, another company which employed a former Response Dynamics employee:

http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/EBERLE/Wouldyoubuyappealfrom.html

Fundraiser Bruce W. Eberle may be the most asked-about person over the past few years in calls to ANIMAL PEOPLE by anxious animal protection donors and sanctuary directors--but most of those asking would not recognize his name. ... ANIMAL PEOPLE didn't recognize Eberle's name or the names of most of the sanctuaries Eberle represents either, until we began investigating the unknown sanctuaries one by one and found Eberle is their common denominator. Then we investigated him.

We found that Eberle's activities had been investigated often before, including by U.S. Senate committes looking into the Paula Jones affair and the fate of Americans missing in action during the Vietnam War.

<snip>

Eberle clients have reportedly included former U.S. president Ronald Reagan; Oliver North, who was a central figure in the Iran/Contra scandal of the latter Reagan years in the White House; and former Los Angeles police officers Stacey Koon and Laurence Powell, who were sentenced to serve 30 months apiece in jail for allegedly committing the videotaped beating of motorist Rodney King in 1992.

<snip>

On February 27, 1998, picking up on information originally disclosed by the ABC-TV subsidiary Salon News, Chicago Tribune reporters William Gaines and David Jackson revealed that Paula Jones, who had accused U.S. President Bill Clinton of sexual harassment, had "received about $100,000 from a fund-raising campaign that was supposed to be on behalf of her attorneys." John W. Whitehead, president of the Virignia-based Rutherford Institute, which was actually paying Jones' legal bills, said, "We're not getting any of the money."


Much more follows on the Paula Jones, Vietnam POW, and animal sanctuary scams. Also on a judge's dismissal of the libel suit Eberle brought against ANIMAL PEOPLE (http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/EBERLE/judgeimposeSettlement603.html)





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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #153
157. Let's see if we can tie these scumbags to the CNP
This monster is sure huge - but who/what is the brain?

I still believe at the moment that it is the CNP - my last post showing a connection between voting machine companies and the CNP is persuasive - however, it is still possible that something smaller than the CNP is the "heart of hearts" - or is that "brain of brains?" For example, do the people mentioned in my previous post's link have more detailed connections to certain CNP members?

Great find as always starroute - so we have at least 2 more companies like Response Dynamics. The next question in my mind is, are these thugs members of the CNP too, or something else?

I'm still in the mood to find dirt!

John
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #157
163. See the names I mention in my post on Eberle just below
Almost all of them are connected to the CNP -- but only to a very tiny subset of the hundreds of CNP members. For example, the CNP includes a heavy representation from the Religious Right, but they don't seem to play any part in the particular mix of fundraising scams, Republican dirty tricks, and quasi-fascism/reactionary Catholic ideology that we're running into here. Even the Moonies have relatively little connection with this group -- and most of that goes back to the 1980's.

Morton Blackwell's name has probably come up more often than any other at the leadership level -- along with the names of groups and individuals he has been directly associated with. This may be because he's the closest to the Republican Party -- Karl Rove, for example, came out of both Blackwell's Leadership Institute and the College Republican National Committee which Blackwell headed in the late 60's. Blackwell has been a both a dirty trickster himself (think purple heart bandaids) and an instructor of dirty tricksters.

Looking beyond Blackwell and the bastard grandchildren of Richard Nixon, the second circle of association seems to consist of extreme reactionaries, racists, and quasi-fascists -- like Blackwell's associates Paul Weyrich and the late J. Peter Grace, or like Eberle's clients Oliver North and Jesse Helms. But their heyday was also in the 1980's.

I'd be very surprised if somebody like Amy Ridenour was a fascist, even if we do have a link between her and Laszlo Pasztor. I think we're mainly dealing with a bunch of people who just want to grab anything that isn't tied down, will oppose any sort of health or environmental regulation that seems to get in their way, and are willing to use force on either the personal or national level to hold onto what they think is rightfully theirs.

That makes them very nasty, but it also makes them less powerful than the true believers -- which in the long run is a good thing. Whatever agenda is still animating the evil old men hasn't been passed down to their self-indulgent heirs. The fact that they've turned from scamming people with the hope of finding living POW's to scamming them through fear alone is a sign of their ideological impoverishment.

We progressives been living in fear of the red-baiters all our lives. With any luck, the failure of the "Hanoi John" slams against Kerry will mean that era is over.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #163
170. Hard to be sure, still
Bedtime here.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #153
158. More fun facts about Bruce W. Eberle
He's not just a fund-raiser -- he's someone deeply committee to conservative causes. His own website (which comes complete with an endorsement from Grover Norquist) says:

All the talent in the world can't match a passion for the goals and objectives of the organization. That's why the first thing we seek in a copywriter or an accountant, or a receptionist, or a computer operator, or a designer or in anyone else on our team is a passion for the ideas and ideals our clients espouse.

Every member of the BWE&A team is philosophically in tune with the projects and programs of our clients - every one. We believe in fighting the battle and more important, we believe in winning.


http://www.bruceeberle.com/About.shtml


There's a listing of his various companies given at the website of what seems to be a North Carolina congressional primary candidate. (I include it because they might be worth Googling.) The other people listed as working on the campaign have backgrounds in such things as Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum, Morton Blackwell's Leadership Institute, and working on projects with Karl Rove.

Bruce W. Eberle and his wife Kathi started Bruce W. Eberle & Associates, Inc. in 1974, operating out of 150 square feet in the basement of their home. In 1986 BWE&A became a part of the Eberle Direct Marketing Group, Inc., the predecessor to the Eberle Communications Group, which today includes Bruce W. Eberle & Associates, Omega List Company, Kaleidoscope Publishing, Ltd., Fund Raising Strategies, Inc., Campaign Funding Direct, Inc., and InternetFundRaising.com. The ECG corporate headquarters is located in McLean, Virginia. Bruce not only serves as ECG President, but also as Chairman of the Board of Directors of Bruce W. Eberle & Associates, Inc. and as President of Fund Raising Strategies, Inc.

<snip>

Bruce s former clients include Ronald Reagan, Oliver North, and Jesse Helms.



A record of congressional hearings on tax-exempt organizations lists Bruce W. Eberle & Associates as one of a couple of dozen groups testifying together that include several names previously mentioned in this thread -- Citizens Against Government Waste, Citizens United, High Frontier and The Leadership Institute.

http://www.lawandfreedom.com/site/nonprofit/JCTcomments.pdf


And finally, there's some follow-up on that Viewnam POW scam:

Ashcroft ended up firing a fund-raising operative who was accused of making fraudulent claims of POW sightings in Southeast Asia -- but only hours after reporters began investigating. A November 11, 1999 Associated Press story links Ashcroft to Bruce W. Eberle, who since 1974 has been a political operative inside the beltway. "Eberle's firm came under fire during 1993 congressional hearings on POW-MIA affairs."

At question was an emotional money plea from a retired Air Force colonel, which claimed to be hand-written "at a makeshift desk on the deck of the Akuna III" while the "China Sea is tossing and rolling." It sought money for an MIA rescue operation. In fact, the fund-raiser was crafted by Bruce Eberle & Associates of Maclean, Virginia, which had also helped raise funds for two Ashcroft's presidential committee Ashcroft 2000 and Spirit of America PAC.

Associated Press reported that the boat had actually been docked for two years when the letter was sent out, and that Bailey's group kept more than 88% of the $2.2 million in contributions.

During the congressional hearings, the claims were denounced by both Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), both Vietnam war vets.

"It's fraudulent. It's disingenuous. It's grotesque, it's grotesque on its face," Kerry said of the fund raiser.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #158
161. Great Catch, Starroute...the web enlarges! (n/t)
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #158
164. More Eberle right wing stuff
He blasted Gore in late 2000 for challenging the election results, and sponsored the www.electionintegrity.com website which was calling on Gore to accept defeat.

http://mailman.cathat.net/pipermail/conservative-thought/2000-December/000018.html

Dear Friend,

Al Gore is flatly refusing to accept the fair and just
election results. Instead, he is pursuing a calculated
course of action intended to overturn the will of the voters
and the CERTIFIED election results. Included in these
actions are his attempts to attack and discredit military
absentee votes cast for George W. Bush while simultaneously
using manipulative "hand-counting" techniques to convert
so-called "dimpled chads" into votes for Gore.

This is not fair, it is not right, and the American people
won't be fooled by the attack dogs and spin-doctors sent by
Al Gore to crowd the airwaves on his behalf.

What Gore is doing is WRONG. And every day that he continues
to contest this election -- whether it be in the courts or in
the media or anywhere else -- further frustrates and angers
an overwhelming majority of American citizens.

In order to make this point clear to Mr. Gore, Election
Integrity 2000 is collecting online letters to send to Al
Gore urging him to concede the election NOW!

Please go to http://www.electionintegrity.com/home/g349.cfm
to sign your letter to Al Gore right now.

Al Gore always claims to be "listening to the will of the
people." The fact is, WE are the people, and he is about to
hear from us in a big way.

PLEASE forward this urgent e-mail to every friend who might
be interested in sending a message to Al Gore that America
wants him to concede.

For Election Integrity,

Bruce Eberle


AOL FRIENDLY LINK
<A HREF="http://www.electionintegrity.com/home/g349.cfm">Letter to Al Gore</A>

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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #158
165. Oh my, check this letter out from Eberle on GOPUSA
http://www.gopusa.com/company/bruce_eberle_letter.shtml

March 24, 2004

Greetings to MillionsOfAmericans.com Activists,

I have some good news for you. As someone who opted-in to receive communications from www.millionsofamericans.com you have been receiving regular updates on conservative and Republican issues from me. You're one of nearly 250,000 patriotic Americans who have opted into the MOA web site and have taken action on behalf of important conservative projects and programs.

The good news is that www.millionsofamericans.com is now combining forces with www.gopusa.com to bring you even better reports and news on hot conservative topics. Bobby Eberle (of what you might call the "Texas branch" of the Eberle clan) founded www.gopusa.com several years ago. With news sources across the nation and in key places, Bobby Eberle has created one of the best outlets for conservative news and insight in the nation and today www.gopusa.com has some 50,000 opt-in subscribers.

In fact, he has done such an outstanding job that he will now be sending conservative commentary and action items to you. I'm stepping aside to let this talented and well-informed young man take the helm of www.millionsofamericans.com and I am confident he will do a great job - giving you the same top quality conservative news and giving you an opportunity to have a powerful impact on events that affect our nation.

If you want to learn more about Bobby, please click here http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/bobby/bio.shtml where you will find his biography. It will also give you an opportunity to learn more about www.gopusa.com and the fine work he has been doing with that group.

Before I sign off, let me take this opportunity to thank you for all your efforts to preserve our American way of life. Today our traditional American values, our Constitution, and our heritage of individual freedom is under attack from liberal groups and organizations who have no regard for the foundations of a free society. Unless you and I and leaders like Bobby Eberle continue our efforts to defend American institutions, sound economic policy, a strong national defense, and our traditional moral values, our nation will be in great jeopardy.

Accordingly, I strongly urge you to continue your fight and give Bobby Eberle and www.millionsofamericans.com your continued support and assistance.

This is a struggle we must win.

For America,


Bruce Eberle

Read Letter from Bobby Eberle


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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #158
166. More Eberle and raising funds for Repubs
From Americans for Taz Reform: http://www.atr.org/opeds/tas/tas0401.html

First, conservatives understand that winning one battle is not winning the war. Reagan's win in 1980 and the Republican capture of the Congress in 1994 were steps forward. But Reagan was limited in what he could accomplish with liberal control of the House of Representatives, and Gingrich could not overcome the Clinton veto. Grassroots activism fell off after the 1980, 1984 and 1994 victories. Bruce Eberle, the conservative direct-mail leader, says that traditionally Republican and conservative causes have suffered from a belief among donors that with the battle won they could retire and let Reagan or Gingrich solve the problems.

After the 2000 election there was no such drop off in direct-mail fundraising or activism. Eberle says he has added 600,000 activists through e-mail since the November election. The 2001 Conservative Political Affairs Conference, run by David Keene's American Conservative Union, was the largest in its history with more than 3,500 attendees in February, 1,000 more than last year. Half those attending were new to the conference. Virginia Republican Party committeeman Morton Blackwell reports that attendance is skyrocketing at local and state GOP events.

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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #158
167. Eberle's crown jewel - millionsofamericans.com
http://www.millionsofamericans.com/floridaproject.html

And like the Energizer Bunny, it keeps going and going and...
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #158
168. Eberle and Paula Jones - concise blurb
Paula Jones: Aside from her share of the $800,000 Clinton paid to make her go away, she received $100,000 from fund-raiser Bruce Eberle for the right to use her name in fund-raising appeals. She received only $1,000 for appearing in "The Clinton Chronicles." (More than $200,000 was paid out to individuals featured in Matrisciana's anti-Clinton videos between 1994 and 1996.)

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2000/payoff.html
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:44 AM
Response to Reply #168
175. Pat Matrisciana is a CNP member
Pat Matrisciana - CNP Membership Roster (1999). Owner and president, Jeremiah Films which has produced over 60 documentaries including Pagan Invasion and No Second Chance; chairman, Citizens for Honest Government which produced The Clinton Chronicles, The Death of Vince Foster: What Really Happened? and Obstruction of Justice; Academy Award nominee. Citizens for Honest Government Board Member, Carol Steinke, also sits on the board of a Scientology front, Citizens Commission for Human Rights (CCHR). Pat Matrisciana produced a video against 60 Minutes after the latter's expose of Scientology.

http://watch.pair.com/database1.html
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #158
169. More fun Eberle connections
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 01:05 AM by starroute
http://www.time.com/time/daily/scandal/documents/jones/19971219-199.pdf

This is a PDF image of court papers, so I can't cut and paste, but I'll copy out the heading:

"PAULA CORBIN JONES,
Plaintiff,
vs.
WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON
And DANNY FERGUSON,
Defendants.

MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION TO QUASH OR MODIFY SUBPOENA AND FOR A PROTECTIVE ORDER PURSUANT TO RULE 26 FILED ON BEHALF OF AMY PAUL AND BRUCE W. EBERLE & ASSOCIATES, INC."

The memo concerns an appeal to avoid producing documents subpoenaed by Clinton's lawyer -- not very interesting in itself. But it does show that Amy Paul -- the former Response Dynamics person whose name turned up on a website of a later employer, together with an endorsement by Ron Robinson -- was with Eberle at the time of the Paula Jones scam.


And then there's this -- a 2002 letter from a group of conservatives asking Bush to veto campaign finance reform legislation.

http://www.unitedseniors.org/pressroom/articles.cfm?mode=view&id=51

The signers include such names as as Grover Norquist, L. Brent Bozell (involved in disseminating the CBS memo forgery claims), Morton Blackwell, Craig Shirley, Gary Aldrich of CNP Action (author of an anti-Clinton smear book), Bruce W. Eberle, Richard A. Viguerie (godfather of direct-solicitation fundraising), David M. Bossie of Citizens United (Willie Horton ad), Amy Ridenour, Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America (a name I don't think has been mentioned here but which I keep seeing in association with these others), D. Eric Schippers of the Center for Individual Freedom (ditto) -- and our dear, dear old friend, Gary Jarmin.

It's a wonderful list indeed, and it might be worth Googling every name on it. But I'm getting a bit punchy, so I think I'd best off to bed.


On edit: Well, just a couple of quickies -- First, Eberle as fundraiser for Alan Keyes in 1996, saying "I first met Alan in 1967 at a YAF convention in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania."

http://www.renewamerica.us/archives/speeches/96_02_23cpac.htm


And second, a list of organizations at a Conservative Political Action Conference earlier this year -- a lot of the same names we've come to know and love. This list and the one mentioned above should be a good starting point for figuring out who are the heavyweights in the right wing today, as opposed to back in the 80's.

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=14125
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #169
192. kick - and looks like another Who's Who of crooks
We clearly have built a case for legal action by now, don't you think?
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #192
206. You would think, it looks like conspiracy to overthrow the US gov
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:31 AM
Response to Reply #158
174. Bruce W. Eberle co-horts with CNP - (probaby CNP member)
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #174
212. I'll check out those links some more tonight - thanks! (nt)
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #158
210. Bruce Eberle, AlGoreLost.org, and the Southeastern Legal Foundation (!)
http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/2002Q1/hacks.html

Responding to the Bush/Gore election deadlock, for example, partisans for each candidate had dueling websites up and running within days after November 7. The conservative site, named www.AlGoreLost.org, urged visitors to join a petition supporting Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris in her attempt to block a manual vote recount. ... AlGoreLost ... failed to disclose that it was run by the Eberle Communications Group, owned by direct-marketing guru Bruce Eberle. The website also failed to provide any information about its policies regarding privacy and possible future usage of the personal information which website visitors disclosed when they added their names and e-mail addresses to the petition.

<snip>

One of Eberle's more recent gimmicks was a website called 2bits4conservatives.com, through which he promised to contribute 25 cents to the "conservative cause of choice" for each visitor who visits his site. "It may only be two bits, but if enough conservatives send my quarters it could add up to real money," he stated.

The real purpose of 2bits4conservatives, of course, was to collect names for future fund-raising appeals. In order to give a quarter to one of these causes, visitors to 2bits4conservatives gave Eberle their name and e-mail address. By signing up, they also indicated which cause they would be likely to support in future appeals. The list of causes to which Eberle promised to "give" his quarters were his own clients such as the Linda Tripp Defense Fund; the Freedom Alliance, run by Oliver North; the anti-environmental Mountain States Legal Foundation and the Southeastern Legal Foundation; Radio America, an all-conservative nationwide network of radio stations; and the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund, which purports to defend police officers who have been unfairly accused of brutality.



For those of you who weren't following the Buckhead/Rathergate threads a month ago, "Buckhead" (Harry W. MacDouglad), the Freeper who first claimed that the CBS memos were forgeries, was associated with Southeastern Legal Foundation, a group which turned out to have many connections to people in the Clinton smear movement (like Ken Starr, Gary Aldrich, and Richard Mellon Scaife.) For details, see the threads at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=835262
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=837236
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2400623
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2407402
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=868466

The Linda Tripp Defense Fund confirms the connection -- but Southeastern Legal is the bigger catch. MacDougald is a lawyer with no background in fonts or forgeries, so the (false) claim that the memos could be reproduced in MS Word had to have been fed to him by someone else. There was a lot of discussion about this back in September, but the trail finally went cold. This link between Southeastern Legal and the dirty-tricks cohort opens all sorts of new avenues of investigation.
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #210
213. OK, so we have another big fish...
Eberle used to work for Response Dynamics.

He has proven ties to Ashcroft, Reagan, and North, among others.

He is linked to Paula Jones, and Kerry blasted him years ago during Congrsssional hearings.

And now we know he is tied to Rathergate, Linda Tripp, and scammed people in really unique ways by giving 25 cents to his own clients in exchange for becoming another sucker.

LOL, this just keeps getting sicker and sicker...
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #210
231. More on Eberle, Paula Jones, and Southeastern Legal
I don't recommend following this link, because it goes to a site which not only has many huge and slow-loading graphics but has also apparently been hacked by Republicans, because it pops up anti-Kerry error messages in your browser. However, I found some interesting additions to the Eberle story there. (The details seem to be cribbed from a December 2000 Penthouse piece by Joe Conason, but that isn't entirely clear.)

http://www.hillary.org/forums/Hillary_Clinton_Forum_1188.html

"Seeking new lawyers, Paula spoke with Ann Coulter (conservative atty & commentator), who had been in contact with the "elves" (group of attys who were conservatives, that had been assisting Davis & Cammarata all along). A new legal team was assembled for Paula by the Rutherford Institute, a religious right legal foundation, based in Charlottesville, VA. Its leader was former Jerry Falwell aide, John Whitehead.

<snip>

"Meanwhile, Whitehead found out that his donations were slim due to fundraising efforts by Bruce W. Eberle, a conservative fundraiser hired by Paula's family, for the Paula Jones Legal Fund. The Fund was originally run by Cindy Hays, a GOP fundraiser and friend of Gil Davis, (her first atty). (p.116) Paula was told by Cindy that she could legitimately spend lots of this money for personal use, like hairstyles, travel, hotel costs, etc, ---- but later, lawsuits & IRS audits forced her to pay back $20,000.

"Nobody seems to be able to recollect when Bruce Eberle entered this effort, & documents are being held in confidence by his attys. Paula says she does not remember how she & Eberle got connected. But some documents suggest that the Jones camp "had ties to orgn's & individuals connected with Richard Mellon Scaife, the notorious Clinton-hating Pittsburgh billionaire". For instance, there are 2 photocopies of checks sent to the PJones Legal Fund in Oct & Nov 1995, by FLAG, (Fund for Living American Govt) a "charity" group in Wash DC, that is run by William J. Lehrfeld, (a Scaife atty). The amt of the check was $50,000, along with a note to PJ's atty that FLAG expected to be furnished with "suitable acctg of the fund's fees, expenses, & costs".

"Also, in this file was a letter from the SouthEastern Legal Foundation, (conservative legal group) that is funded by Scaife. The note praised Eberle for his work for SELF, and its star client, Gary Aldrich. (who was an FBI agent that wrote a book about his service in the Clinton White House (that was mostly fiction). Eberle donated $100,000 to the PJ Fund himself, and promised to raise over $300,000 later."
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #158
222. Bruce Eberle, John Ashcroft, and charges of felony conspiracy
http://www.pcactionfund.org/stepasideashcroft/letter01-15-04.htm

January 15, 2004

The Honorable James Comey
Deputy Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001

Dear Mr. Comey:

We are writing to formally request that the U.S. Department of Justice appoint an outside special counsel to investigate potential criminal actions involving United States Attorney General John D. Ashcroft, his 2000 Senate campaign committee (Ashcroft 2000), and his leadership PAC (Spirit of America). These actions, outlined in this letter based on newly-released documents from the Federal Election Commission (FEC),1 raise serious questions about the integrity of the Office of the Attorney General. They demand a thorough and impartial criminal investigation by an outside special counsel to ensure that any violations of the law be prosecuted to the fullest extent, including any violations committed by the nation’s chief law enforcement officer.

Specifically, the FEC documents present clear and convincing evidence that Attorney General Ashcroft knowingly accepted, during his 2000 Senate re-election campaign, a fundraising mailing list, developed at a cost of $1.7 million, constituting an illegal, excessive campaign contribution of at least $255,000, in violation of 2 U.S.C. § 441a(f); that his leadership PAC illegally funneled $192,965 in rental income derived from that mailing list to his campaign committee, in contravention of 2 U.S.C. § 441a(a)(2)(A) ...

<snip>

As you are no doubt aware, the aforementioned felonies and misdemeanors carry penalties including fines in excess of the $37,000 civil fine already levied by the FEC against Mr. Ashcroft’s leadership PAC and campaign committee, and imprisonment on the felony conspiracy and false statement counts of up to five (5) years.

<snip>

Further proof that Mr. Ashcroft, his leadership PAC, and his campaign committee committed these acts knowingly can be found in the fact that Garrett Lott, the Treasurer of Ashcroft 2000, assured the list vendors, Omega List Company and Bruce W. Eberle & Associates, that they would be “held harmless” in the event that this transaction was found to be illegal.

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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #222
226. Wow, a nice bingo there - Eberle and Ashcroft linked (nt)
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #153
162. Also, Kerry quizzed and denounced Eberle during hearings
Bailey accused Eberle "of milking the charity for profits," Los Angeles Times staff writer Scott Harris reported in August 1991.

Stated the Senate Select Committee on POW-MIA Affairs final report, "Operation Rescue, Inc. reported on federal tax forms that during the period 1985 through 1990 Šfundraising expenses constituted 88.8 percent of contributions."

As in the libel suit against ANIMAL PEOPLE concerning the cost of fundraising that Eberle does for animal charities, Eberle contended during the Senate Select Committee hearings that his critics took insufficient note of the costs of printing and postage.

Responded Senator John Kerry during the Select Committee hearing of December 2, 1992, "You sit here and say to us, gee, I only got $100,000, but that is really disingenuous, because the total fee produced by this which benefits you or your family or partners is significantly more than that. So you sit here and say you only got this amount of money when in fact the charity, quote, winds up with $200,000 against $1.9 million raised. I find that unconscionable and extraordinary."

Isn't Kerry great?


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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 01:16 AM
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173. Going to try something - new thread to get attention in Breaking News
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 01:17 AM by Bozos for Bush
Look for "Bush tied to fund raising scandals and a lot more!"

Perhaps Skinner will let it go.

And then bed :)

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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:36 AM
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183. Lauch Faircloth is the leader of CNP
Lauch Faircloth has always been openly opposed to allowing all Americans to vote. Lauch Faircloth has alwasy been openly opposed
to allowing all Americans to vote. He is a leader of CNP, the
Christian reconstructionists who believe only Christians should be allowed to vote. How can a voting machine company have so many executives line up behind a candidate who is opposed to counting all the votes?

http://chalktalk.typepad.com/chalk_talk/2003/09/diebold_executi.html
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:44 AM
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184. Christian reconstructionist - only members certain churches may vote
The federal government would play no role in regulating business, public education, or welfare Some government would be visible at the level of counties but citizens would be answerable to church authorities on most matters subject to regulation income taxes would not exceed ten percent - the biblical tithe - and social security would disappear Public schools would be abolished in favor of home-schooling arrangements, and families would operate on a strict patriarchal pattern. The only people permitted to vote would be members of 'biblically correct' churches.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/8616/reconstructionists.html
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 05:07 AM
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185. John Edwards wins election again Lauch Faircloth!
How bout that sh*t! That must have pissed off a few CNP huh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauch_Faircloth
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:18 AM
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195. Good catches this morning Outsource, and thanks for the help!
Interesting - we have Edwards beating up on Faircloth, and we have Kerry beating up on Eberle, so it looks like both our guys might be itching for a fight to really try to shut this whole thing down.

Sure hope so :)

Time for work soon :(
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StlMo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 06:04 AM
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189. November 1998 - John Edwards upsets incumbent Sen. Lauch Faircloth

Edwards unseats Faircloth in tight North Carolina race


(AllPolitics, November 3) -- Democratic challenger John Edwards upset incumbent Republican Sen. Lauch Faircloth in North Carolina on Tuesday.

...

The seat held by Faircloth has had five occupants in the past 18 years. Republicans initially were relieved when first the state attorney general and then a wealthy businessman who had run before decided against making an election bid in 1998.

But the celebration was short-lived when Edwards, 45, jumped into the race. Edwards, who defeated two primary-election opponents, brought personal wealth, good looks and moderate rhetoric to the campaign. Maybe just as important, Edwards, who doesn't take political action committee (PAC) money, had a united Democratic party in his corner.

In a last-minute shakeup, Faircloth fired his campaign consultant and hired GOP pollster Art Finkelstein, known for ads that blast Democrats as out-of-touch liberals.

...

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/11/03/election/senate/north.carolina

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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:09 AM
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193. Still looks like the CNP is the monster to me (nt)
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:04 AM
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241. More on Diebold's support of Lauch Faircloth
http://cronus.com/electionfraud/

"Who are Diebold?

"The corporate officers are as thick as thieves with the Republican hard right religious nut division. For those who have been lucky enough to forget, Senator Faircloth was the protege of Jesse Helms in NC. It looks like the board and the directors were all putting up money for a Faircloth victory when Edwards took that senate seat. I wonder if they conspired to put things right.....?

"Don't just scan over the following list of Diebold's board and officers - look for patterns. Why were they all so set on Faircloth, Voinowhasit and DeWine? This looks too bizarre for words. Did they have some litmus test that required donations to these ultra right wing loonies?"
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 05:57 AM
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188. Checking up on details
OK I do not want to be a thorn in anyone's side but I must make sure that the REAL American Federation of Senior Citizen's is sending out this letter. Because the address on the letter you scaned and posted is different from the one I found while searching the web. Just make sure that it is not a scam using their name with a different address. Also I cannot find the name of the person who signed the letter, (Mondross or something like that)



American Federation of Senior Citizen
208 North Patrick Street
Alexandria, VA 22314


703-715-6522
703-715-6522
Email:

phone
| map & details





________________________________________


American Federation of Senior Citizens
208 North Patrick Street
Alexandria, VA 22314



703-548-1708
Email:

phone
| map & details






Charitable organization details


Name: AMERICAN FEDERATION OF SENIOR CITIZENS INC

License number: 7032

Location: ALEXANDRIA, VA 22314 Profession: Charitable Organization (800)

Current through: 31-JUL-2005
Status: Active
Eligible to practice: YES
Granted on: 31-JUL-2000
Discipline: No
Speciality description: Not applicable
Financial information for fiscal year 2004
No financials found.

Financial information for other years
2003 2002 2001 2000
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 08:12 AM
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190. It is the same
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 08:16 AM by salvorhardin
Welcome to DU! :hi:

This has been documented by numerous people in the various threads on this topic.

The AFSC is located at 208 N Patrick in Alexandria. Along with many other Moonie front groups including:
  • Christian Voice (703) 548-1421
  • Jar-Mon Consultants (703) 548-4904
  • US Cuba Foundation (703) 548-4904
  • American Christian Cause (703) 715-6523 (703) 548-1840
  • Pacific Asia Foundation (703) 548-4906
  • National Parents' Day Council (703) 548-4904

    Every single one of these groups are Moonie operations. 208 N. Patrick St. is owned by Gary Jarmin, a well known high level Moonie operative.

    Scamming senior citizens is the SOP for the the AFSC which goes back to at least 1998. Read the 1998 article The Fear Merchants in the SF Gate (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/a/1998/02/08/NEWS3642.dtl). Notice Amy Ridenour's name in that article as president of National Center for Public Policy Research. Another well documented Moonie front and Ridenour another well known Moonie operative.

    Quote "The Fear Merchants":
    People seem to respond better to emotion than they do with letters that have lots and lots of facts," said Moritz , who said her letters were written by a direct-mail firm, Response Dynamics, but read by her before they were sent.

    The mailings are being handled by a marketing firm known as Response Dynamics, Inc. Repsponse Dynamics seems to be a business arm of the Moonies and handles mailings for a large number of Moonie operations including the College National Republican Committee (http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=com&orgid=7135&comid=101r).

    The 208 N. Patrick St. address is listed in the mailing, but the response card goes to a mail drop in Washington, DC. This is common for this sort of thing.
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    cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 08:17 AM
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    191. kick to bring down awol !
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:12 AM
    Response to Reply #188
    194. Yea, it's the same, and welcome to DU Maraya (nt)
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:46 AM
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    197. Somebody please email this link with a new summary to Skinner's list
    Time for work here :(

    I think we all agree that we have built a solid case here - and it's time to get it in the news.

    Please someone take the time today to write a summary and send it to everyone on Skinner's list of reporters, broadcasters, etc. Perhaps we should send it all to Skinner's list of advertisers as well.

    Someone else who has access to a fast printer could print out all the evidence we have collected, and mail the package to a few key outlets like the LA Times, NY Times, Wash. Post. I am more than happy to send money via Paypal to pay the postage.

    John
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    evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:45 PM
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    203. The LA Times is owned by Sun Myung Moon. n/t
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    Ruby Romaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:54 PM
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    204. don't you mean the Washington Times? (not LA Times)
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    evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 06:27 PM
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    207. oops, my bad, you are correct
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    starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:22 AM
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    199. We need to talk about the John Birch Society
    We tend to forget it these days, but the John Birch Society was the leading right-wing organization c. 1958-64 and played a significant role in the rise of the more mainstream right thereafter. (See http://www.wordiq.com/definition/John_Birch_Society)

    William Buckley's Young Americans for Freedom (the group through which Bruce Eberle met Alan Keyes in 1967) was heavily infiltrated by Birchers after its founding in 1960, though the Birch Society failed in its attempt to take full control of the group away from Buckley.

    According to CNP sites, the core group behind the CNP came out of the John Birch Society and the Western Goals Foundation (run by Larry McDonald, who became head of the Birch Society in 1983.) Nelson Bunker Hunt, who was a Birch Society member, provided the startup money for the CNP in 1981 (after Tim LaHaye proposed the idea) and was its president in 1981-82. Many other Birch Society figures served on the CNP's board of governers in the early years. If I'm reading my notes right, these included John Singlaub, Daniel O. Graham, J. Peter Grace, and Oliver North.

    There also seems to have been significant overlapping membership between YAF and/or the Birch Society and such groups as the World Anti-Communist League and Gary Jarmin's Christian Voice.

    I'm going to check this out further and try to pin down some of these connections. The Birch Society never had a lot of mainstream credibility (remember Dylan's "John Birch Society Blues"?) and though it's still around, it doesn't get mentioned much in right-wing circles these days. But it seems to be a major source of current right-wing ideology and catchphrases. And it could be one answer to the question of what the ultimate connection is among many of the names that keep coming up on this thread.
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    OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:09 PM
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    205. Ultimate connection - most likely Moon
    Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 04:33 PM by OutsourceBush
    They are preparing us for his rule. If they have to rig voting machines to accomplish that task then so-be-it. God's will must be done.

    Moon the 'father' Moon the second coming of 'Christ'. Moon the great Christian unifier and the leader of the 'new world order' of global Christianity, preparing for God's order on Earth. All nations and all people will bow to him and know him as God on Earth, even the United States. He is conquering us from within. He is everywhere and everything, omni-present. Each of the far right conservative organizations appear to have a Moon representative. There is only one little problem, Moon is growing old and they don't have much time to create Gods kingdom and fulfill the prophecies. They are becoming very desperate to create God's Kingdom on Earth before the miserable piece of sh*t Moon dies and goes to f'ing hell and people realize he is not really Jesus or God, because God wouldn't die.
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    starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 07:15 PM
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    208. Most of these people don't have much in common with Moon
    I've started looking into some of the organizations whose names have appeared on this thread, and into others which appear in connection with them on various websites.

    I've barely scratched the surface, but what seems to be the strongest connecting link is a sort of libertarianiam run amok. They're against almost any sort of government control or regulation.

    They're against Social Security and Medicare and against any sort of regulation of the pharmaceutical industry.

    They're against campaign finance reform.

    They're against taxation and dislike most forms of government spending.

    They're against gun control.

    They're against public education.

    They're against affirmative action.

    They're against the minimum wage.

    They're against protection of the environment, against regulation of genetically modified foods, and against anti-smoking laws.

    They're also against any form of international control over the US -- such as the ABM treaty, the United Nations, and the International Criminal Court.

    And based on their behavior, they don't think much of the rule of law in general and feel they have a right to do anything they can get away with.


    And all this isn't just what they're doing on the side -- this is the heart and soul of what most of these groups are about, and the common element that holds them together. It's the Reagan agenda on steroids, and it's all they've got.

    Moon, in contrast, has gone all tree-huggy in recent years and keeps hosting conferences on world peace and environmental protection. He may have been able to make common cause with (and largely co-opt) the Religious Right back in the 80's, but he's not even playing in the same ballpark as most of these people today.

    A few of the other old-timers, like Richard Viguerie, are still invited to the parties, but I suspect they're tolerated as elder statesmen more than they're actually heeded. The current gang is nothing but a bunch of brigands, and they lack even the warped morality of the old quasi-fascists.
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:27 PM
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    214. I agree, Moon is an actor in this play, but not the lead
    He certainly has lots of connections to some of these people, but remember that Jarmin is an ex-Moonie, for example - so he can't be the key, only a big piece of the puzzle.

    The John Birch Society idea has great merit - a lot of overlapping between it and the CNP.

    One thing I want to emphasize strongly is this...

    Either all of this that we are finding is an uncoordinated effort...

    Or it is a coordinated effort.

    And all of us know by now that it can't be an uncoordinated one, so that means there really is a monster, that monster has specific agendas, ways of raising money, ways at finding new victims, ways to pull the wool over people's eyes, ways to gain greater and greater power and weaken the opposition (us), etc.

    I still believe it is the CNP.

    John
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    starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:18 PM
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    220. It could be coordinated but not in a top-down way
    Are you familiar with complexity theory? It deals with the ways in which order spontaneously arises out of chaos. One aspect of it provides the ability to describe mathematically how schools of fish swim in unison and Canada geese fly in V's. Basically, each one keeps an eye on the ones just ahead of it and constantly adjusts its distance and angle in a way that maintains the pattern. But there's no single fish or goose giving the orders, and the geese don't have some Platonic ideal of a V-formation that they're trying to maintain.

    DU is like that, too. The administrators set a few very simple guidelines, there's a general assumption that posters will express progressive attitudes, there are mechanisms for cleaning out the trolls, and everything else is the result of like-minded people finding topics of mutual interest to explore and memes to pass around.

    I think the right-wing is the same. There are certain core beliefs, there are a few people who are good organizers or who have a lot of money to plow into the system, and there are a lot of people like the Ridenours or Eberle who are just running around doing what they take to be their own thing.

    Moon is unusual because he's someone who came from outside and tried to take over the right -- and to a large extent succeeded, at least during the 80's. But for anyone who looks closely at the history of the period, it's very obvious what was happening. Moon's fingerprints are all over the place.

    I've never seen any signs of there being another master manipulator on the right, like Moon but better hidden. And I don't really believe there could be.

    I do believe in conspiracies in the sense that these people communicate with one another behind the scenes, set up front organizations and fake grassroots movements, concoct whispering campaigns, and do all sorts of sneaky and sometimes illegal stuff. But I don't think there's a secret mastermind giving them orders. If fish and geese don't function that way, then humans -- who are far more ornery -- wouldn't either.

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    OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:17 AM
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    223. I agree
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:14 PM
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    246. Sorry I missed this one yesterday
    Not very familiar with the theory, sorry.

    Either it's coordinated, or else it's just some people that are in it for themselves...who happen to have all these connections, use the same outfit to send out their stuff, etc.

    Perhaps it's like us, on this thread - we're not talking to each other on the phone, but we are all trying to achieve the same goal.

    If we we're in touch more often though, and our effort was more coordinated, with specific roles and responsibilies, we would probably be more successful.
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    OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:30 AM
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    225. As a group I would say the CNP seems to be a gathering point
    in the US of like-minded Fundies but Moon is in many right leaning groups in the US including CNP and Moons ideas seem to be the agenda (perhaps even unconsciously). Moon is a great mind bender, he has lots of practice at that. Who easier to mind control than far right fundies?

    Moon seems to get more bang for his buck out of the extremists in the CNP. I am seeing it like sports, the CNP is like the Olympics team of the right in the US, it's the best of the nut case fundaMENTAL right that think any means, even cheating, justifies the end, one world order of God (Moon) on Earth.
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    OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:46 AM
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    230. CNP most powerful conservative policy group in America
    "the Council for National Policy (CNP), the most powerful conservative policy group in America, which came to light in San Diego during the Republican convention in August 1996. They hit the media when they won the fight to keep the purity of the pro-life plank in the GOP platform."

    http://www.rackjite.com/16conspiracy.htm

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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 02:59 PM
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    242. kick (nt)
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    jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 08:37 PM
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    209. Moon doesn't consider himself to be the Second Coming
    Very few, if any, Moonies would consider Moon the Second Coming, because they believe Christ to be inferior to Moon--Christ never had as much pull as Moon does.

    If Christ had annexed the moneychangers and the Pharisees the way Moon has annexed the GOP, then Moon and Christ would be on a similar plane.
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:29 PM
    Response to Reply #209
    215. Hey jmowreader, welcome to our thread
    grab a coke and feel free to stay awhile - we need all the help we can get :)

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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:11 PM
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    219. Change of plans here starroute, I'm gonna investigate the Supremes tonight
    And Diana Ross ain't one of them ;)

    My mom asked me tonight if the Supreme Court was tied to them - and I said, "you know, I don't know!"

    Time to find out.
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    starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:29 PM
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    221. Well, Scalia and Thomas are Opus Dei
    And so is Alfred Regnery (publisher of the Swiftboat book, Gary Ames' anti-Clinton smear, Carlton Sherwood's Moon whitewash, and a whole lot more.)

    That's the only one I know of offhand.

    Happy hunting.
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:33 AM
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    227. You knew that already? lol - Found that out a little while ago
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    Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 01:29 PM
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    200. Has anyone set up
    a web page with a full copy of the letter that is being sent out by these people? It would be good to have a link to send to those elderly folks that have a computer to warn them.
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:31 PM
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    216. Yes, VoteJohn04_com has posted them at 2-3 places (nt)
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    evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:35 PM
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    202. Moonies linked to SBVT and the New World Order
    "When the anti-Vietnam protest movement grew in the United States, the Moonies, under the front group "American Youth for a Just Peace" was set up with some additional money coming from Nixon's Committee to Re-Elect the President organization. Convicted Watergate conspirator Charles Colson gave some three thousand dollars to Allen Tate Wood, who was a Moonie leader at the time. Later, hundreds of Moonies were used in a three day fast for Nixon on the Capitol steps in an attempt to influence public opinion during the exposure of Watergate misdeeds. Since that time, the Moon organization has continually tried to court and influence the conservative right. An August 1997 article in the Consortium reveals the involvement with Oliver North as well as Jerry Falwell. It is interesting to note that with the fall of Russian communism, the Moonies have been actively recruiting there as well as throughout South America." - Source: History of the Moonies

    Moon's Unification Church has a wide variety of front groups: religious fronts; political fronts; media fronts; social and cultural fronts; recruiting fronts; Educational fronts; and business fronts. The Moon organization has a long and documented history of controversy which includes systematic deception, separating new members from their families and friends, intensive mind control indoctrination and shady business and political dealings. There are over 1000 differently named organizations that fall under the auspices of the Moon organization. They own the Washington Times newspaper, and the accredited University of Bridgeport. They have links with the South Korean CIA (as reported in the 1977-78 congressional investigation). They also have had links with neo-nazis, terrorists, former dictatorial leaders though their front group - The World Anti-Communist League (WACL). In the 1970's Moon told some of his leaders that what he was doing was preparing an international infrastructure so that when the world economy collapsed - they would be in place to establish the "new world order." This group is a multi-billion dollar conglomerate which seeks to establish a one world theocratic government run by Sun Myung Moon, the presumed "new messiah". No one is really sure where all the money is coming from, but my guess is that it would be generated by both legitimate business and trafficking in humans, drugs, and weaponry. My guess is based on hundreds of hours of research into how organized crime syndicates and subversive groups (who use terrorism as a tool) are funded.

    This may be just a coincidence but "American Youth for a Just Peace" sounds almost like "Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace," which was the organization that Nixon and Colson created for John O'Neill to oppose John Kerry and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War back in 1971, when roughly 1,500 VVAW members camped out on the mall at the capitol to protest the Vietnam War. Could there be some connection there? I don't know, but it might be worth looking into a little further.

    -----

    The above is excerpted from my blog. The entry was written last night. My blog link is in the sigline below.

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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:34 PM
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    217. "Are you sure you want to delete the entire Bush administration?" LOLOL
    Hilarious, evil!

    Nice blog there, I will check it out in great detail this weekend :)

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    evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:10 PM
    Response to Reply #217
    218. :) I like to mix a little humour in with things.
    It helps to keep from getting really frustrated with everything and keeps people from just clicking away.

    *grins* There is madness to my method.
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:27 AM
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    224. List of all CNP members, as of 2001 - it's long, sorry :)
    And does not include George and Jeb Bush, who are both members now.

    Ahmanson, Howard
    Alby, Barbara
    Aldrich, Gary
    Ally, Arthur
    Allison, Daniel
    Anderson, Thomas
    Andrews, John
    Angell, Al
    Ankerberg, John
    Ardizzone, Kristen
    Armey, Richard
    Armstrong, Thomas
    Atsinger, Edward
    Baehr, Theodore
    Bahakel, Cy
    Baker, Dick
    Balderson, Terry
    Ball, William
    Batchelder, William
    Bauer, Gary
    Beckett, John
    Behnke, Melvin
    Belk, John
    Bell, Mariam
    Berryman, Ray
    Bigham, Paul
    Bird, Wendell
    Blackwell, Morton
    Blinn, James
    Blocker, Michael
    Bolan, Thomas
    Bosgra, T.J.
    Bott, Rich
    Bott, Richard
    Bozell, Brent
    Breese, David
    Bright, William
    Brinson, Alan
    Broadhead, Paul
    Bronson, Earle
    Brown, Floyd
    Bull, Benjamin
    Bullington, Daniel
    Burkett, Larry
    Burress, Pamela
    Burton, Dan
    Butler, Sandra
    Byne, James
    Callaway, Howard
    Campbell, Kenneth
    Carl, William
    Carriker, Charles
    Caruth, W.W.
    Ceverha, Bill
    Chalfant, John
    Cies, Margaret
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:40 AM
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    228. Diebold and ES&S successes - Konformist
    http://www.konformist.com/botm/volume07/botm1203.htm

    In January 2003, a folder - cleverly named "rob-georgia" - was discovered at Diebold Election Systems, the company which built and programmed all of the Peach state's voting machines. There were three more folders inside it: one had instructions to place new files in the election management folder, the second had files which were to replace existing ones in the management folder, and the third instructed users to replace Windows with its contents and run a program. The Georgia Secretary of State's Office admits a patch was administered to all 22,000 voting machines in the state before the election.

    Diebold is one of the top two firms in the electronic voting field, and is a heavy contributor to the Republican party. Diebold's CEO is Walden O'Dell, The Konformist Beast of the Month. O'Dell is a major fund-raiser for the Bush 2004 election campaign. He recently wrote a letter declaring he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes for the president (sic) next year." When a controversy ensued in the Buckeye State over his statement, he explained he wasn't talking about rigging the state's machines. For some reason, his explanation doesn't sound particularly reassuring.

    Meanwhile, in 1996, Chuck Hagel, a Republican, won the Nebraska race for the US Senate, the first Republican Senate victory in the state in 24 years. The Washington Post declared his "victory against an incumbent Democratic governor was the major Republican upset in the November election." His stunning victory included many largely black communities that had never before voted Republican, made more remarkable by Hagel's right-wing political views. In 2002, he won by an astounding 83% of the vote.

    Hagel is the former chairman and chief executive of ES&S, Diebold's main competitor and the company that made all the vote-counting equipment in the state of Nebraska during both elections. ES&S is a heavy contributor to the Republican Party. Hagel failed to disclose his relationship to and continuing ownership of the company to Senate ethics investigators and on his FEC disclosure statements.

    Back in Florida, some voters who pressed the touch-screen button for Jeb's opponent in the 2002 election noticed something strange: their vote was registered for Bush. In the other Bush homestead of Texas, Jeff Wentworth won his state Senate seat, Carter Casteel her state House seat and Judge Danny Scheel won re-election. Nothing necessarily suspicious about that - except they all won with exactly 18,181 votes. All three are from Comal County, and both Wentworth and Casteel are Republicans while Scheel is a conservative.

    snip

    Dan Spillane was a software engineer for VoteHere, an electronic machine company that includes former CIA director Robert Gates and Dick Cheney's former assistant as directors. After uncovering holes in their security system, he was fired, and has filed a whistle-blower lawsuit. He describes their vote integrity program "very much like Arthur Andersen in the Enron case."

    Speaking of Arthur Andersen, they've changed the name of Andersen Consulting to Accenture, and incorporated offshore in Bermuda. What is Accenture up to? Besides other schemes, it's landed the fat contract for the new Pentagon online voting system in the 2004 presidential election to help American soldiers vote. Now that's supporting our troops.

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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:43 AM
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    229. Rehnquist link to CNP - solid
    Chief Justice Rehnquist, for instance, according to Joe Conason and Gene Lyons in "The Hunting of the President," ignored certain provisions of the Independent Counsel Act in order to appoint to the Special Division (the three-judge panel that appoints the Independent Counsel) Judge David Sentelle, a conservative ideologue (and also a member of the CNP) who earned his first judicial appointment from Ronald Reagan after campaigning heavily for Reagan and Jesse Helms.

    http://www.americanpolitics.com/20020513Livemore.html

    A former Republican Party chairman in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, Sentelle had relatively little judicial experience; yet while the Independent Counsel Act directed the Chief Justice to give priority in appointing judges to the Special Division to senior circuit judges and retired justices, Rehnquist ignored this directive and instead appointed Sentelle, who he knew would fulfill what was expected of him: to appoint an Independent Counsel to investigate President Clinton who had what we might expect Rehnquist also felt was the correct world view.

    Sentelle, of course, delivered. He appointed Ken Starr, who also had, no doubt, what Delay and Sentelle would consider the correct world view.

    Maybe those folks who believe in the mythical men in black suits and mirrored sunglasses are not so crazy after all, only the Men in Black are not alien-hunters; they're card-carrying CNP Republicans, and what they hunt is Democrats.

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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:54 AM
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    232. Scalia link to Heritage Foundation, Ken Starr, Ashcroft
    http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:iKrp01JJWsEJ:www.pfaw.org/pfaw/dfiles/file_145.pdf+cnp+%22antonin+scalia%22&hl=en

    President Bush has drawn heavily from the ranks of the ideological right-wing, relying especially on the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society.

    For years, right-wing groups such as the Heritage Foundation have made a concerted effort to serve as job agencies for their elected allies. A former Heritage staffer who wenton to serve in the incoming Reagan administration once noted, “Heritage has been really useful to the White House in filling those non-glorious mid-level policy slots which are ineffect the nuts and bolts of decision-making in government.” Many political observers at the time were surprised at the sudden influence of the Heritage Foundation, a formerly obscure right-wing think tank. But Heritage’s diligence has paid off handsomely in the representation of its alumni and ideological siblings in positions of political power.

    While the Heritage Foundation supplies candidates for policy positions, the Federalist Society exerts its influence both in the policy and legal arenas. The group counts among its members Senator Orrin Hatch, former Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr and Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. The Bush administration has drawn heavily on Federalist Society ranks to staff the executive branch – from cabinet-level appointees like Attorney General John Ashcroft, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham, and Interior Secretary Gail Norton to a wide range of mid-level positions.
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:59 AM
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    233. Ridenour, Response Dynamics, Scary Social Security letters in 1998
    http://www.clearproject.org/ACVvol9no5.html

    Moving on to the direct mail issue: NCPPR uses Response Dynamics, a Republican direct mail fundraising firm, and is quite prolific in its appeals. NCPPR spins this as necessary given their claim that a large percentage of their operating budget comes from "small individual donations." NCPPR President Amy Ridenour should know all about fundraising scare tactics, because her group has been criticized for that very thing. In 1998, NCPPR was the subject of a newspaper investigation on direct mailing fundraising letters that targeted the elderly, leading them to believe their social security benefits would be cut off if they did not send money. According to the investigation, NCPPR mailed 160 appeal letters over four months to an 86 year old woman who stayed awake nights worrying about whether she would continue to receive social security if she didn't send money. At the time, Amy Ridenour defended the direct mailing blitz, saying, "It's just that you're competing with a lot of other organizations. People seem to respond better to emotion than they do with letters that have lots and lots of facts." (San Francisco Examiner, February 8, 1998)

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    starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:05 AM
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    234. I've created a new thread for the direct-mail scams and dirty tricks
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1136385

    This one is getting way too big -- and I also though the dirty tricks stuff should be separated out from the Moon/CNP/crpyto-fascist stuff.

    Please come post on it -- or if it's fallen off the main page by morning, please kick it up again.

    We've done so much here, but there's still a lot more to find. I think it's important for this to keep going.

    Thank you.
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:47 AM
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    239. Ok starroute, we'll keep it going
    I'm not going to post on it until tomorrow though, just in case I turned anyone off with my controversial sales pitch earlier today.

    But I want to convince you, if you need to be convinced, that the CNP is our monster. All of this stuff ties back to the CNP...Jarmin, Ridenour, etc., except Eberle seems to be kept away at greater distance...perhaps intentionally. Because he is not CNP, he could be a great key to all of this, as I think you already know.

    I should get to bed - perhaps 6 hours if I can stop thinking about all this.

    John


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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 02:57 AM
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    250. Sorry the thread ain't catching on (nt)
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    OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:06 AM
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    235. CNP tied to Swiftboat Veterans - REGNERY PUBLISHING
    Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 01:10 AM by OutsourceBush
    CNP's Douglas F. Hofmeister is Vice president, publisher of Regnery Gateway, Inc 4 which publishes, "books we would publish would challenge the conventional wisdom, and many would run in "direct opposition to the dominant current of the time." Several of his first books? God and Man at Yale by a young intellectual, William F. Buckley, Jr., other authors include Pat Buchanan. REGNERY PUBLISHING

    http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.ho.htm

    "Stolen Honor" and the Citizens United/Willie Horton/smear Clinton people. (Recall also that Sherwood's Moon whitewash was published by Alfred Regnery, who published both Gary Aldrich's anti-Clinton book and the Swiftboaties' "Unfit for Command.")"

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1108892#1112218
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:06 AM
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    236. Ridenour and Jack Abramoff, Bush Pioneer!
    Ridenour and the College Republican National Committee, phony Black Conservative group Project 21, and now we have a strong link between Response Dynamics and a Bush Pioneer.

    http://www.guildsite.com/archives/2004_08_01_archive.htm

    But Project 21 is a subsidiary of the National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR), which, according to the liberal watchdog Mediatransparency.org, was formed in the 1980s to support Reagan's military interventions in Central America. NCPPR's leadership – president, vice president, executive director – are all white. Amy Ridenour, former Deputy Director of the College Republican National Committee and the organization's president, also sits on the board of Black America's PAC, an organization that claims to be nonpartisan but whose IRS filings state that its mission is to elect Republicans. (WOW!)

    NCPPR's directors are also all white. In fact, one of them – Jack Abramoff – is so white that he's actually a high-powered GOP lobbyist and Bush 'Pioneer' who, according to the Washington Post, is the target of multiple investigations
    into alleged funny-money payments from Indian gambling concerns (along with the $45 million in fees they collected from them, Abramoff and his partner Michael Scanlon convinced the tribes to donate large sums to conservative organizations run by Scanlon, which then funneled the money back to Abramoff, according to the Post).
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:09 AM
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    237. CNP, Tom Ellis, and "blacks are inferior" - good read at website
    http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/rightwing.html

    Then there's Tom Ellis who several years ago succeeded well-known evangelical leader Tim LaHaye as president of the Council on National Policy (CNP), one of the principal coordinating agencies between the secular right and the religious right, and who was then succeeded himself by Pat Robertson. Ellis was a director of the Pioneer Fund, a foundation which finances efforts to prove that African-Americans are genetically inferior to whites. Please see an article on the Pioneer Fund.

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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:12 AM
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    238. CNP behind Clinton impeachment drive
    http://www.theocracywatch.org/biblical_law2.htm

    Citizens For Honest Government produced an "impeachment organizers kit." The kit tells us when and where the impeachment resolution was conceived -- at a meeting of the Council for National Policy (CNP) in June, 1997. January 17, 1998, the President was legally trapped by denying under oath that he had had an affair with Monika Lewinsky. So the President's impeachment was conceived seven months before he denied the affair with Lewinski under oath.

    As Fred Clarkson reports in The Public Eye:

    the Council for National Policy (CNP) played a key networking role in promoting anti-Clinton activism and developing impeachment strategies. In September 1994, the group mailed copies of The Clinton Chronicles video to all 500 or so of its members with a cover letter urging them to "pass it on to a friend, relative, business associate, public official or member of the media, as many Americans as possible should become informed about the evil which infests the Clinton Administration.

    The CNP, which meets quarterly behind closed doors, is so secretive that the groups Washington office will neither confirm nor deny where, or even if, the group meets. As CNP founding father Weyrich once put it: "We are no longer working to preserve the status quo. We are radicals, working to overturn the present power structure in this country."

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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 03:18 PM
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    243. Emailed MoveOn.org with a link and summary
    Hopefully they will get involved.

    John
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    mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:38 PM
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    244. Boatload of info on Sun Myung Moon and Unification Church

    Unification Church and Rev. Sun Myung Moon:

    <http://www.rickross.com/groups/moonie.html>

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    mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:44 PM
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    245. More info on the Moonies
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    popstalin Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:36 PM
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    248. Two Names to add - don't know if they mean anything
    Denise Mealy - Jar-Mon Lobbyist 1997-98
    Gina Mondres Jarmin (Curious what her relationship to Marvin Mondres is) 1997-current

    Both women listed as lobbyists for Jar-Mon Consultants, Inc.

    http://www.Opensecrets.org is a good source for tracking money (if you didn't already know about that)

    Here's a link I found about Gina Jarmin:
    http://www.holysmoke.org/hs02/money-cc.htm

    Donations solicited illegally

    Charleston Gazette, January 6, 1999
    1001 Virginia St. E., Charleston, WV 25301
    Fax: (304) 348-1233
    http://www.wvgazette.com
    E-Mail: [email protected]

    Persistent and not registered, Christian Voice sent as many as three mailings a week

    By Maryclaire Dale, STAFF WRITER

    When a Wood County woman showed signs of dementia last year, her son and daughter-in-law stepped in to manage her affairs.

    To their surprise, and horror, they found the 85-year-old woman had sent $4,000 of her $5,000 annual Social Security income to conservative Christian groups that solicited her by mail.

    "Our children are in desperate trouble," read a recent appeal from a group called Christian Voice. "Because the Militant Homosexual Lobby has unveiled a dangerous new scheme to shove their evil agenda through Congress."

    In 1998 alone, the Wood County woman received 2,579 pieces of junk mail. "I didn't count her getting the Ladies' Home Journal," quipped her daughter- in-law, who asked not to be named to protect her relative's privacy.

    Don't know if any of this is helpful... Hope so.
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 03:06 AM
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    251. Popstalin, welcome to our team and great find re: Mondres and Jarmin
    Marvin Mondres is probably Gina's father - that would be my first guess.

    Very nice find :)


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    popstalin Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 08:48 AM
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    255. Another Mondres in the Mix
    I'm thinking it's a son.

    Eric M. Mondres
    Lobbyist - America's Community Bankers

    Other lobbyists in this "firm:"

    Bahin, Charlotte M
    Casey, Diane
    Causey, C Dawn
    Cohen, Arnold D
    Davis, Robert R
    Elder, Albert L III
    Hong, Peter
    O'Connor, James E
    Smith, Brian P
    Verdier, Stephen J
    Verdler, Stephen J

    He's donated $13000 to the Repug party ($1000 to B*sh)

    http://www.hillnews.com/business/100604_league.aspx
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    DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:36 AM
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    249. NRA linked...tenuously... to Stolen Honor
    http://www.stopthenra.com/site/TellAFriend?msgId=8221.0&devId=6501&JServSessionIdr008=vyt36k6pc2.app26a

    It's hardly a clean source... and probably doesn't indicate anything special.

    But still, here it is.
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 03:08 AM
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    252. Direstrike, welcome and you know, we haven't looked at the NRA yet here
    Perhaps a big piece of this puzzle.

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    Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 03:49 AM
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    253. What a Comprehensive List! I am bookmarking this.
    AWESOME research works, my friends! I have been trying very hard to let conservatives know that a lot of things on their side are controlled by religious nuts like the Moonies, but most seem to rather just bury their heads in the sand. :(
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    Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 06:05 AM
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    254. New thread up! Took hours and hours, hope you guys like it
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