In 2000, there were 2,883,105 voters who voted for Nader. This time

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

there will be just a few, I bet. He isn't on the ballot here, though you CAN write him in on the Texas ballot.

There will NOT be almost 3,000,000 Texans voting for Nader this time. What about your state? How many voted for Nader last time? Look here

http://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/

and find your state's results from 2000. Then find out if he is on the ballot in your state.

[Carolab]

1. in Minnesota

126,696 voted for Nader. On the green ticket here, he got a rather large, 5.20%, of the vote here. Gore barely (by about 2% points) won over Bush.

[ISUGRADIA]

3. I'd think he'd be lucky to get 20,000 to 50,000 this year in MN

it seems like the organzing is all but non existent and I am in Mpls where there should be signs of his campaign.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

6. Yeah he is on the ballot in Minnesota

but I think you are probably right about the numbers.

[sofa king]

2. Sometimes I wonder if Nader isn't as crazy as he seems.

Somewhere on these boards, someone posted a link to a blog which cites something written in a bathroom stall which suggested that in 2000 Pat Buchannan went into the Reform Party as a "mole" in order to kill the third party and its drain on moderate Republican votes.

Sometimes I wonder if Ralph Nader might be doing the same thing by conflicting out the Green Party.

Still, if he doesn't concede before the election and send his little Rex Foundation bus riders our way, I'll always consider him an asshole.

[kokomo]

4. Naderites doing a smash job on Kerry at the "progressive" AlterNet

I am very unpopular there for supporting Kerry. Naderites feel it is more important to "send a message" to Kerry by voting for Ralph than allowing Bush another four years to ruin the nation and the world.

My problem is I am a pragmatist and the Naderites are ideologues, touting Saint Ralph as pure as the driven snow. Nader can do no wrong. Kerry = Bush in their minds. They see absolutely no difference, in fact seem to dislike Kerry more. Kerry gets worse bashing from these self-described "progressives". They dislike Kerry because he isn't liberal enough, isn't right on every one of their pet issues.

http://forums.alternet.org/bin/motet?enter+-uj2BHH+Election_2004

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

5. How many of them are there? 200?

[kokomo]

7. Fewer and fewer. Naderites have driven away many posters.

Sometimes hours pass without one posting. Democrats are not considered "liberal" enough by many. They call Kerry conservative and yet the Freepers call him the "most liberal" in the Senate. (Bush thinks Ted Kennedy is most liberal, at least that is what he said in the debate :crazy: ). I used to enjoy posting there before the vicious Naderite attacks on me for supporting Kerry.

DU has its drawbacks with its constant topic creation and rapid-fire postings. DU is like the Hollywood Freeway compared to AlterNet which is akin to a Vermont country road.

[NNadir]

8. Well, in a national election would you rather have the votes of

the entire city of LA, or the single vote of the loony resident of a farmhouse on a Vermont country road?

I believe all websites have had their Naderite contingent who join Rove and Cheney and the Boy King in repeatedly attacking the Democrats. We should not worry about this contingent at all though. What we have to do now is to defeat both sets of Repukes combined. It's looking more and more like we will do it.

[kokomo]

9. Gore only lost Florida by less that 600 votes, Nader votes killed Gore.

I have been attacked by Naderites every time I support Kerry at AlterNet, a "progressive" I linked to as a result of an article in Salon.com.

This is an example of a Naderite post I extracted from that forum only this morning...........

"I suspect that many disaffected Dem-types have done the calculus and concluded that support for abortion rights, affirmative action and slightly cleaner national parks aren't enough to pull the Donkey lever on election day. The Dems deserve Nader just as this country deserves the callow bellicosity that is Bush-Kerry."

Their litmus test for the IDEAL president is that he must agree with EVERY one of their pet issues. I don't disagree with most of the Nader message, just the megalomaniacal messenger!

[NNadir]

10. No, Nader voters who remain belong to the Republicans, not to us.

No sense sweating it: Anyone left on the planet who is voting for Nader is just repeating Rovisms: "Democrats Suck! Democrats Suck!"

These people are worse than useless: They are Republicans. It is that simple.

[Shadow30]

11. In PA....

....Nader got 103,392 votes,2.10%, Gore won PA with 50.60% with Bush getting 46.43%.I also don't think Nader will do anywhere near as well this time,he is a fool and a wart on the ass of this very important election.

The thing that pisses me off this year is that the Nader people are thinking the same goddamn way.That using your vote as a protest concept is nothing new.It just seems trying to "send a message" with there votes this time out is absurd,if we end up with 4 more years of Bush what the fuck good is there message going to do?High minded ideals have there place for sure but these fucking people are out of touch with the situation,now is the time for practical action.