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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 03:32 PM
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Who did the Pentagon audit for the "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars?
I am convinced I once researched this and discovered that the Pentagon audit under Rumsfeld and Zakheim, which could not account for 2.3 trillion dollars in transactions over an X year period (they were always vague about this), was conducted by a subsidiary of (name leading defense contractor).

But now I can no longer reconstruct how I knew this. Anyone else ever find out who the contractor was? Thank you.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:24 AM
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1. Lockheed Martin? and Dyncorp
which figures prominently in that Andrew Groves story (another thread ) on the Maria heller radio show- Dyncorp was also caught trafficking in humans- woman and children...nice.

Few Americans are probably aware that Lockheed Martin, builder of the F22 air superiority
fighter, is also a major outside contractor supplying financial control and accounting
systems to the Pentagon.

The Pentagon for its part is Lockheed Martins biggest customer.

This example is by no means unique.

Lockheed also has a subsidiary employed by HUD to administer housing in American cities,
an unusual diversification for a corporation the majority of whose business is done with
the military and intelligence agencies.

Similarly Dyncorp (recently acquired by Computer Sciences Corporation) is another
contractor that, like Lockheed, derives almost all its revenue from government security
and military contracts. It is also a contractor supplying information technology to a
variety of government agencies including the Pentagon, HUD, the Securities and Exchange
Commission (SEC) and the Department of Justice. At the Department of Justice it manages
the case management software used by DOJ lawyers to manage investigations.

A prime example of overlapping interests is Herbert Pug Winokur. Not only was he on Dyncorps board of directors but he is also the Enron director in charge of that companys risk management committee, and a long-standing board member of the Harvard Management Corporation, which invests in HUD projects.

AMS Inc., a computer software firm hired by HUD in 1996 to take over the management of its internal software for accounting and financial control, presided in two short years over an explosion in undocumentable transactions of nearly $76 billion. AMS violated fiduciary and control practices by installing its own equipment and software with no parallel runs against the legacy software and accounting system.

In those same two years, HUDs management more than tripled the volume of loan and insurance business being pushed through the system. Anyone familiar with running such systems in a bank or an insurance company immediately understands that a decision such as this (for it had to be a decision) would result in huge losses.


...
http://www.xenex.org/cgi-bin/yabb/nph-YaBB.pl?num=11436...


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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 03:14 PM
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2. well there always is
area 51. after all did the pentagon really pay $200 for a toilet seat?

seriously i am sure there is black opps stuff (including an area 51 like base)that accounts for a large portion of the money missing.


the rest is probably money that is 'missing' due to poor oversight, poor accountability, poor money management.

i mean large corporations are often "missing money" and they have FAR more oversight than the pentagon or any other govt agency does on their money.

it is part of the waste in government that must be reduced.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 04:41 PM
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3. what a hilarious response
The story that "2.3 trillion" cannot be accounted for came from the Pentagon Inspector General, the comptroller (Zakheim) and Rumsfeld via CBS and PBS. No doubt a whole boatload was sunk into blackops and other extra-constitutional (and by definition therefore governmentally criminal activities, albeit normalized through decades of such abuse). But whether corporate or government, money is never vaporized. They do not drop paper dollars into a swamp, oops where did it go? Calling it waste is ludicrous and insulting, indeed contemptuous of the people who put up the money out of their income tax and charges paid. Wherever it went - six annual Pentagon budgets worth - it went. Someone got it. And "not knowing" on that scale is criminal. To make light of it is to be a willing taxpayer-sheep for the slaughter. Kapish?

Now make yourself useful and find me a link to the Inspector General's report.
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gbwarming Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 05:08 PM
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4. http://www.dodig.osd.mil/ audit/reports/
Edited on Wed May-31-06 05:15 PM by gbwarming
It seems was legislation in 1990 and 94 requiring these audits which were apparently carried out by the DoD IG. Later Bush* term audits were done by done by independent auditors AND (suprose, suprise) the amounts were not disclosed according to this paper (with lots of references). http://www.american.edu/salla/Articles/BB-CIA.htm#Table (see Table 2)

http://www.dodig.osd.mil/Audit/reports/fy00/00-179.pdf
Results. The DFAS centers processed approximately $7.6 trillion in department-level
accounting entries to DoD Component financial data used to prepare departmental
reports and DoD financial statements for FY 1999. Of the $7.6 trillion in departmentlevel
accounting entries, $3.5 trillion were supported with proper research,
reconciliation, and audit trails. However, department-level accounting entries of
$2.3 trillion were made to force financial data to agree with various sources of financial
data without adequate research and reconciliation, were made to force buyer and seller
data to agree in preparation for eliminating entries, did not contain adequate
documentation and audit trails, or did not follow accounting principles.
We identified
but did not have adequate time or staff to review another $1.8 trillion in departmentlevel
accounting entries. The DoD Agency-Wide financial statements for FY 1999
were subject to a high risk of material misstatement. The sheer magnitude of
department-level accounting entries required to compile the DoD financial statements
for FY 1999 highlights the difficulties and problems that DoD encountered in
attempting to produce accurate and reliable financial information using existing systems
and processes. The largest number of department-level accounting entries were made
for the Navy General Fund because DFAS Cleveland Center processed both monthly
and year-end department-level accounting entries for the Navy General Fund. For
details of the audit results, see the Finding section of the report. See Appendix A for
details of the management control program as it relates to the processing of departmentlevel
accounting entries.

edit: I didn't read the linked CIA subject paper for content, and may well regret using it, but the links to the dod IG reports seem solid.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:34 PM
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6. Well thank you!
I will go through this and be grateful to you even more so when I do.

The excerpt you provide, which obviously deals with total assets as valuated in FY 1999 (or we'd never get to 9 trillion!) seems to be pinning the gap on the Clinton era, if not directly Clinton, but it's a Bush audit. Of course, the gap could have built up over 20 years, and be administration-independent (since the Pentagon runs its own empire). There are also precedents for new governments "discovering" awesome unguessed-at shortfalls in audits so that they can blame it on their predecessors and then use it as an excuse to go back on their promises. Another hypothesis is that a part of the shortfall is intentionally being manufactured on the spot, during the audit, as part of a new heist.

Interesting that now we don't even know how this total of unaccounted values has changed since, with no audit happening any more at all. (Do I smell a familiar M.O.?)

What do you think?
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gbwarming Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:16 PM
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7. Some more recent statments
I don't know that FY99 was a Bush audit - it was published in aug 2000, months before the selection, but rumsfeld did jump on it with the implication that the Clinton terms were out of control - and that they would be 'responsible'. HA!

I found more recent reports
http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroller/par/fy2004.html

In FY2004 the auditors have done no financial audit because the system can't provide reliable data, and they are prohibited by 2002 law. They list numerous ways that the DoD is not complying with relevant law.
http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroller/par/fy2004/03-08...

Page III-241 of the following makes it clear that the FY2002 defense act PROHIBITED the IG from spending effort on auditing the current broken DoD financial accounting system. My take on this is that it probably was broken, but that's a lame excuse to stop auditing - I didn't see an end date when the new system is supposed to be up and auditable (after 2008 I'd guess). A very familiar M.O as you say.
http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroller/par/fy2002/13_Pa...

I don't know anything about these audits except what I've googled here. I worked for a defense contractor in the late 80's and 90's and we did what seemed like a lot of running around locating items with govt property tags, filling in detailed (0.1hour increment) timesheets. It was a big deal to get through the DCAA audits relatively cleanly. I do recall that we had a lot of old stuff that was still valued at the original price - so if your lab couldn't locate (say in 1997) a 1974 vintage HP minicomputer related thermal printer that nobody remembered ever seeing - that single item could account for maybe $6000 of those trillions of dollars even though it was worthless in current terms.

Based on that experience at a smallish defense contractor it doesn't surprise me at all to know that there are accounting problems, however I don't think there's any good reason to stop auditing and trying to improve the results.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:13 AM
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It's the scale - and the fact it's a scam...
By that I refer to the master scam, meaning the protection racket that is the military-industrial complex as a whole in a 21st century environment... inventing threats, creating fear, to justify vast useless wastes of wealth, putting precious labor and resources into holes in the ground and killing machines, a part of which end up actually used in a perpetual global war to destroy things so tht they can be rebuilt... so that fat cats can profit, and because otherwise the whole pyramid scheme of a financial structure will collapse.

And the scale of it! 2.3 trillion!

Who cares if it's actually "only" $800 mil that's merely being plundered in overcharges, black ops and sheer theft?

More than 1 in 4 out of every dollar unaccounted! The scale, the audacity... Also of the sweeping-it-all under the rug.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:13 AM
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8. It's the scale - and the fact it's a scam...
By that I refer to the master scam, meaning the protection racket that is the military-industrial complex as a whole in a 21st century environment... inventing threats, creating fear, to justify vast useless wastes of wealth, putting precious labor and resources into holes in the ground and killing machines, a part of which end up actually used in a perpetual global war to destroy things so tht they can be rebuilt... so that fat cats can profit, and because otherwise the whole pyramid scheme of a financial structure will collapse.

And the scale of it! 2.3 trillion!

Who cares if it's actually "only" $800 mil that's merely being plundered in overcharges, black ops and sheer theft?

More than 1 in 4 out of every dollar unaccounted! The scale, the audacity... Also of the sweeping-it-all under the rug.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:31 PM
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5. i was trying to be humorous
but you are right it is down right criminal that so much money disappeared and still disappears. I am sure that the pentagon isnt the only govt agency to "lose" money either.
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BuddyYoung Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 05:17 PM
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29. Trillion dollars missing? Just negligence, incompetence & intel failures
I can't even imagine why a busy guy like Secretary Rumsfeld would even bother to take the time to announce such a petty thing as a few trillion missing dollars. It's a credit to his integrity and high character that he did, and it just magnifies the unfairness of people that criticize him and the entire Bush administration. Furthermore, it's a cheap shot to say that if the Department of Defense hadn't misplaced that money, it could have been used to stop those wildcap, coked-up Muslim fanatics that were hell-bent on going to Jesus to claim their 72 Vestal virgins reward for having proven that America isn't the powerful country we've all been led to believe it is.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:08 AM
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9. I don't get what you're asking JR
I looked for a defense contractor subsidiary who performed audits for the Pentagon and all I could find is that outside audits weren't allowed prior to 2003 or so. So I 'm confused, do you mean someone was doing their audits for them? I thought it was all internal and that they never "passed" their audits. Then, as I posted on another thread they claimed that they couldn't provide a 2001 financial statement because all the people who knew about it died in 9-11 how convenient.
I don't understand what you're getting at. I found that defen. contractors provided financial services, but obviously that's not what you meant.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:44 AM
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10. I am curious too
I am not sure what you are asking, JR.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:42 AM
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11. a little background
from Paul Thompson's Timeline

September 10, 2001: Rumsfeld Announces Defense Department Cannot Track $2.3 Trillion in Transactions

In a speech to the Department of Defense, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld announces that the Department of Defense "cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." CBS later calculates that 25 percent of the yearly defense budget is unaccounted for, and quotes a long-time defense budget analyst: "(Their) numbers are pie in the sky. The books are cooked routinely year after year." Coverage of this rather shocking story is nearly nonexistent given the events of the next day. (US Department of Defense, 9/10/2001; CBS News, 1/29/2002) In April 2002 it will be revealed that $1.1 trillion of the missing money comes from the 2000 fiscal year. Auditors won't even quantify how much money is missing from fiscal year 2001, causing "some (to) fear it's worse" than 2000. The Department of the Army will state that it won't publish a stand-alone financial statement for 2001 because of "the loss of financial-management personnel sustained during the Sept. 11 terrorist attack." (Insight, 4/29/2002) This $1.1 trillion plus unknown additional amounts continues to remain unaccounted for, and auditors say it may take eight years of reorganization before a proper accounting can be done. (Insight, 8/21/2003)

http://complete911timeline.org/context.jsp?item=a091001...


(the "Insight" links within the entry do not work)



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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:30 AM
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12. I posted about this in another thread
so I know about this. I guess my post was invisible. But I was wondering why he is asking about a defense contractor subsidiary. I looked for a couple hours trying to find that and he won't even respond to my post. That is the part I don't get. The rest I'm sure everyone knows.
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KJF Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:44 AM
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13. The Insight article is cached at...
... Rense, but I can't link to it from here.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:45 AM
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14. What I mean
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 11:47 AM by JackRiddler
The audits were internal, yes. But I remember that the Pentagon hired outside auditors as subcontractors (which they do with everything, including the planning of wars and wargames), and I'm convinced I once found a credible report that the accounting firm that did this work on the IG report of 2001 (who would have to have a "high security clearance," as they might say, or be part of the mob, as I might put it) was a subsidiary of Halliburton.

I even worked that "fact" into a couple of presentations, but in checking back, I can no longer locate a source, and of course this is frustrating. So either it's so, or I'm developing alzheimers and have to issue corrections.

If it's so, however, given what we know so well about Halliburton, that would fit well with the plunder hypothesis (the audit was intentionally fobbed up and came up with a ridiculous balance-sheet shortfall, big enough to hide giant wealth transfers - to whom or what I won't even begin to speculate, the possibilities are so manifold).

Another angle is that Zakheim (the comptroller at the time) is not just a PNAC member, but an author of "Rebuilding America's Defenses." He might have been the one to pen the line about the "new Pearl Harbor." An audit he oversaw found 2.3 trillion lost, just a week or two before Rumsfeld was prompted to declare a war on waste (there, it's all out), just one day before... boom.

And of course it's mighty weird that about 20 out of 80 Pentagon workers who died on 9/11 were accountants and auditors of one kind or another.

Strictly circumstantial for now, I know.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:33 PM
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15. Cynthia McKinney asked them face-to-face and she couldn't get an
answer. Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA

Notice how they tap dance around answering that direct question? They act as if they don't know who they have given $20 billion to. They should all be fired.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:26 AM
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31. I haven't watched the video yet, but your description reminds me of that
cheech and chong movie "Nice Dreams" where Cheech and Chong front 13 million dollars to a coke freak (Paul Ruebans)Later he comes back without the money or the stash and says "Oh my god. I forgot the 13 million dollars on the bus."

Life imitates art.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 04:33 AM
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16. latest
rigorous intuition covered this issue:

http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/06/flight-of-capital.ht...

(snip)

The unfortunate construction workers perished outside, but who were the expendables within?

From The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, December 20, 2001: "One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack. Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck."

The Arlington County After-Action Report noted that the "impact area included both the Navy operations center and the office complex of the National Guard and Army Reserve. It was also the end of the fiscal year and important budget information was in the damaged area." And Insight Magazine editorialized that "the Department of the Army, headed by former Enron executive Thomas White, had an excuse . In a shocking appeal to sentiment it says it didn't publish a "stand-alone" financial statement for 2001 because of "the loss of financial-management personnel sustained during the Sept. 11 terrorist attack."

High Crimes of State often come down to the movement of capital, and so the high criminals generally share the gray and black economics of common felons. Money is money; it's the magnitude of the heist that's different, and the means to effect and cover-up the crime. And part of the cover-up of the Pentagon heist has been the no-plane shell game, played smartly by Rumsfeld himself who "misspoke" that a "missile" had struck the Pentagon the same week Thierry Meyssen's original no-plane website was launched.

It's such disinformation that has drilled irrelevance and folly into a once potentially dangerous and angry army of authentic skeptics.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 08:20 AM
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17. Interlinking the scams
I'm interlinking the al-Cokeda scam with the Pentagon scam, because the two seem to be closely related.

Iran-Contra II: The Sequel: al-Cokeda
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Intelligence is also gathered by certain semi-legitimate organizations - to be used for their activities. It really does not boil down to countries anymore.... When you have activities involving a lot of money, you have people from different nations involved.... It can be categorized under organized crime, but in a very large scale.... (12)

There are certain points..., where you have your drug related activities combined with money laundering and information laundering, converging with your terrorist activities

http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds.htm

The al-Cokeda scam is running cocaine flight train school and continuing to use them after 9/11 as well for drug running for their black ops.

Why is that relevant to the weird case of Sibel Edmonds?
If al-Cokeda is a drugs operation, it was meant for the heroin from Afghanistan. Sibel was the contact person for Turkey.

What is the key point in the Afghanistan heroin trade?
Turkey/Istanbul because that's where all the smuggling lines come together and from Turkey/Istanbul it goes into all directions again. So the major dealers are in Istanbul. Which was exactly the territory Sibel was covering, so maybe she knows all about 9/11, if it was a drugs operation.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 06:51 PM
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20. More on the Pentagon trillion/9-11
I posted this a couple weeks ago. It was on a thread about how the Pentagon didn't seem very concerned about putting the fires out. Here is a description of that event:

An account from a civilian fire fighter, you can see how inept the fire extinguishing operation was, why did they not want to put out the fires quickly?:
http://pentagon.spacelist.org /

Lots of budget analysts/ accountants/ financial directors and Information specialists- I bet a lot of financial information went up in flames that day - remember the missing trillion?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/200 ...
"...only this time because it couldn't account for more than a trillion dollars in
financial transactions, not to mention dozens of tanks, missiles and planes
Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units."

ALSO, there were contractors from Booz Hamilton,and BTG (google them) and :
http://911review.org/inn.globalfreepress/AbuGhraib-Tita ... (scroll down a ways)

Pentagon casualty list:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/p ...

another convenience for the "trifecta"
Oh, it was Dov Zakheim of PNAC "a new Pearl Harbor" fame. An example of the money management "special arrangement" under Zakheim -
...
The U.S. Special Operations Command at MacDill Air Force Base inflated budget
proposals at the Pentagon's request last year to hide $20-million from Congress,
according to documents obtained by the St. Petersburg Times..
(This money was needed by a Florida Special Operations Command for "other purposes" (what other purposes I wonder? )The money goes into programs including "improvements to missile warning systems on Special Operations aircraft, infrared equipment on helicopters and radar systems. The $20-million was distributed in amounts as small as $2-million and as large as $5-million."

They also instructed their own budget analysts not to mention it during briefings
with congressional aides, the documents show.
The investigation centers on an agreement between the Pentagon comptroller's
office in Washington and the Special Operations Command comptroller at MacDill..."
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/09/28/news_pf/Tampabay/Mili ...



The plan, as described in the documents obtained by the Times, called for
Special Operations Command to pad its proposed budget by $20 million so
the money could be used later by the Pentagon for other purposes. It isn't
yet clear what other purposes the Pentagon had in mind."
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/Pentagon-$20-Milli ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2005/01/17203.php
"In May, 2001, Zakheim was sworn in to the Bush Administration as Under
Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) of the DOD.
Here's the wrinkle: Zakheim's company produces advanced Command
Transmitter Systems, designed to provide "remote control and flight
termination functions through a fully redundant, self-contained solid
state system." The unit is just 5 feet high and can be mounted easily
on a mobile platform. Although designed to control unmanned flights
such as Global hawk from remote positions on the ground, one British
aviation engineer said after 9/11 that the planes used in the attacks
were could have been equipped with, or suitable for, such remote
control units. "

well, I think that's interesting..Zakheim now works for Booz Hamilton, (quite a few of them died 9-11) He's pretty much connected to everything 9-11/Pentagon. Lots of financial people worked in that section of the Pentagon, I'm trying to find out if they were evenly disbursed all over the Pentagon, if so it doesn't really mean anything, but, if not, it looks suspicious considering they were in no hurry to put that fire out.

http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/story ...

Of course the Department of the Army, headed by former Enron executive Thomas White,
had an excuse. In a shocking appeal to sentiment it says it didn't publish a
"stand-alone" financial statement for 2001 because of "the LOSS OF FINANCIAL-MANAGEMENT
PERSONNEL sustained during the Sept. 11 terrorist attack."

(my emphasis)
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 07:26 PM
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21. Just wanted to mention
that MP already posted about this (including the same links).

Wanted to point out redundancy.


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Americus Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:38 AM
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18. The OCT'ers here ought to know. I'm surprised none of them have

given us the benefit of their vast knowledge (or access to it - and I don't just mean via Wikipedia). After all, not doing so risks having another huge incident labelled correctly as a conspiracy, rather than mere coincidence, negligence, incompetence, or intelligence failure.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:58 AM
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19. Us shills are being paid with that cash.
Standing up for the OTC doesn't come for free!
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 12:48 PM
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25. It wasn't in their manual


Care to explain this:

Fiduciary Trust Company International is a member of Franklin Templeton Investments. (...) Fiduciary Trust had offices at the top of WTC2 and lost 76 of their 645 employees.

Thomas Kean, the Chairman of the 9-11 Commission was at the time of his appointment director of Amerada Hess Corporation and Aramark Corporation, and had previously served as director of UnitedHealth Group, Bell Atlantic Corp (now Verizon) and CIT Group, as well as being a former chairman and board member of Fiduciary Trust Company International and Pepsi Bottling Group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


or this:

The Rice/Zelikow Connection: The Kean Commission and its Conflicts of Interest

MAY 16, 2004: Condoleeza Rice is a household name. But most Americans still have never heard of the man who wrote a book with her, Philip Zelikow.

As the executive director of the Kean Commission, Zelikow is responsible for framing the agenda. He leads the research staff. He decides what evidence the commission sees.

In April, the world media focused on Rice's appearance before the commission. She claimed, not for the first time, that no one could have imagined terrorists would use hijacked planes as weapons against buildings. This is a demonstrable falsehood, which Bush himself inadvertantly exposed a week later. (See "Bush, Rice and the Genoa Warning")

Rice's testimony received mostly bad reviews. The commission was credited with investigative fervor. Few reports bothered to note that in the late 1980s, Rice and Zelikow worked closely together on George H.W. Bush's national security staff.

Zelikow and Rice co-authored a 1999 book about their experiences in the first Bush White House, "Germany Unified and Europe Transformed: A Study in Statecraft." The book presents "a detailed and fascinating account of behind-the-scenes discussions and deliberations" during the fall of the Soviet empire, according to Library Journal.

Zelikow again served alongside Rice as a member of the Bush transition team in 2000- 2001, when he took part in White House meetings on the terror threat. Since this was of interest to the 9/11 investigation, the Kean Commission recently called Zelikow as a witness, in a closed-door session.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2004052720105...
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:37 AM
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22. Here's an interesting link.
http://rigint.blogspot.com/2006/06/flight-of-capital.ht...

From The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, December 20, 2001: "One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack. Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck."

The Arlington County After-Action Report noted that the "impact area included both the Navy operations center and the office complex of the National Guard and Army Reserve. It was also the end of the fiscal year and important budget information was in the damaged area." And Insight Magazine editorialized that "the Department of the Army, headed by former Enron executive Thomas White, had an excuse {for not making a full accounting}. In a shocking appeal to sentiment it says it didn't publish a "stand-alone" financial statement for 2001 because of "the loss of financial-management personnel sustained during the Sept. 11 terrorist attack."

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Ferry Fey Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 02:00 PM
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26. Who died who didn't normally work in that section?
From The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, December 20, 2001: "One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack. Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck."

Has anyone done any research that might indicate any significance of who died in that attack who did not customarily work in that section? I'm thinking along the lines of those on flight 93 who were not originally scheduled to take that flight.



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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-09-06 02:14 PM
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27. There is a huge page about it
"The impact area included both the Navy operations center and the office complex of the National Guard and Army Reserve. It was also the end of the fiscal year and important budget information was in the damaged area." - Arlington County After-Action Report

http://www.arlingtonva.us/departments/Fire/edu/about/Fi...

Army unit piecing together accounts of Pentagon attack
"Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck." - South Coast Today/Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (12/20/01)

http://www.s-t.com/daily/12-01/12-20-01/a02wn018.htm

Just some snips

NAVY PERSONNEL:

Presumed to be all part of the Office of Naval Intelligence--who were likely to have been monitoring the secret War Games, and would have been the first to realize the war games were a ruse in order to attack NYC.

Capt. Gerald Francis Deconto, 44, Sandwich, Massachusetts director of current operations and plans, was organizing the Navy's response to the WTC attack when he was killed. U.S. Navy

ARMY

Most appear to be working on budget analyst, auditors? A lot of defense intelligence as well

Other victims-=-white-collar Pentagon Consultants, no construction crew workers are found among the victims

1. Donna Bowen, 42 ,Pentagon communications representative, Verizon Communications
2. Gerald P. Fisher, 57, Potomac, Maryland Booz-Allen & Hamilton Inc., .< Sr. mgmt consultant>
3. Sandra N. Foster, 41, Clinton, Maryland Defense Intelligence Agency ]
4. Robert J. Hymel, Woodbridge, Virginia, civilian management analyst
5. Edmond Young, 22, Owings, Maryland, BTG Inc. <[Software, Info Svces>
6. Ernest M. Willcher, 62, North Potomac, Maryland Booz-Allen & Hamilton Inc. < Sr. mgmt consultant>
7. Terrance M. Lynch, 49, Alexandria, Virginia consultant, Booz-Allen & Hamilton Inc. < Sr. mgmt consultant>
8. Allen Boyle, 30, Fredericksburg, Virginia
9. Scott Powell, 35, Silver Spring, Maryland BTG Inc. <[Software, Info Svces>

IT operations were hit in Pentagon attack; new equipment ordered

http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/fatalities.html
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:06 AM
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23. Interlinking picture / video / journal
In one picture:


In one video: (it is better if you watch the video first)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

In one journal: (for more detailed information)
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/DrDebug

This ought to have been solved by the top anti-terrorism expert of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, John O'Neill, therefore it is solved in his honor.

John O'Neill


February 6, 1952September 11, 2001
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 02:58 PM
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24. HUD and DOD are the two agencies that are missing the most number
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 03:00 PM by higher class
of billions. I believe the DOD number is 4.3 billion.

Dov Zakheim (DOD Comptroller) left his company to go to DOD during which time the billions disappeared and after which he returned to his company. Coincidentally.

Notice HUD with Lockeed and DYN from above article:

"Lockheed also has a subsidiary employed by HUD to administer housing in American cities,
an unusual diversification for a corporation the majority of whose business is done with
the military and intelligence agencies.

Similarly Dyncorp (recently acquired by Computer Sciences Corporation) is another
contractor that, like Lockheed, derives almost all its revenue from government security
and military contracts. It is also a contractor supplying information technology to a
variety of government agencies including the Pentagon, HUD, the Securities and Exchange
Commission (SEC) and the Department of Justice. At the Department of Justice it manages
the case management software used by DOJ lawyers to manage investigations."

Are you a stockholder? Does anyone you work for hold stock in those companies?
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 04:39 PM
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28. Good question.
A video that explores this topic:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gUKJNxdmX6Y
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30. kick
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