Four 9/11 Moms Battle Bush - NY Observer

[Cassandra]

http://www.nyobserver.com/pages/frontpage3.asp
"Lorie checked the Web site of the Federal Aviation Authority. The F.A.A. and the Secret Service, which had an open phone connection, both knew at 8:20 a.m. that two planes had been hijacked in the New York area and had their transponders turned off. How could they have thought it was an accident when the first plane slammed into the first tower 26 minutes later? How could the President have dismissed this as merely an accident by a "bad pilot"? And how, after he had been specifically told by his chief of staff that "We are under attack," could the Commander in Chief continue sitting with second graders and make a joke? Lorie ran the video over and over.

"I couldn’t stop watching the President sitting there, listening to second graders, while my husband was burning in a building," she said.

Mindy pieced together the actions of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. He had been in his Washington office engaged in his "usual intelligence briefing." After being informed of the two attacks on the World Trade Center, he proceeded with his briefing until the third hijacked plane struck the Pentagon. Mindy relayed the information to Kristen:

"Can you believe this? Two planes hitting the Twin Towers in New York City did not rise to the level of Rumsfeld’s leaving his office and going to the war room to check out just what the hell went wrong." Mindy sounded scared. "This is my President. This is my Secretary of Defense. You mean to tell me Rumsfeld had to get up from his desk and look out his window at the burning Pentagon before he knew anything was wrong? How can that be?""

Amazing stuff.

[Parche]

1. a lot of questions

Why were there no AirForce jets called up to follow the first 3 hijacked jets? That is standard

[skypilot]

2. Thank you for posting this.

Every question that she asked herself goes through my head at least once a day. This is the kind of article that should have been in every newspaper and magazine since the day we found out that Bush supposedly thought the first crash was pilot error and Rumsfeld sat on his ass until AFTER the Pentagon was attacked. This shit has been staring us right in the face for the longest time and so many people will not see it.

[Old and In the Way]

4. Rumsfield was quite the predictor that morning.

Twice.

He first told his staff before the 1st hijacking was known that a major terrorist event would take place on US soil soon (hmmmm, I wonder why he didn't tell Condi this) and after the WTC, he also predicted that there would be other events, I think he said that probably Washington would be targeted.

Amazing, too bad he didn't let our defenses know...

[Abe Linkman]

8. Let's wait and hear from the "choir" (boloRHblepred)

I'm sure they'll have a good explanation for us.

[Old and In the Way]

9. Hi Abe!

Choir? I never suspected that!

Well, this post is in the right church....how come I never see them posting on LBN or GD?

[jmcgowanjm]

15. this WAS posted in LBN-Someone locked the thread

I was posting a reply and was informed the thread was locked

[jmcgowanjm]

16. 911 was done w/ military precision

opinion of convention of jet pilots
meeting after 911.

If so, the perps would know the response
time of the USMilitary
something under 25 minutes.

Therefore the operationwould be
considered unworkable -unless

Someone ordered the USMilitary to
StandDown and

Someone maintained the StandDown
for over an Hour

[jmcgowanjm]

18. On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines

More than 6 times
higher than normal

748 calls on that same day.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_krongard.html

[Cassandra]

20. That was someone else's dupe

this one was always here. I try to put things in the right forum and then get my thunder rolled over by someone in another forum, Sigh!

[Sperk]

3. i wrote the author to thank her for the piece. Now it's time for the

media to start policing it's own. Blast the reporters and news networks who are keeping this story hidden.

[Old and In the Way]

5. Doesn't it strike you as odd, that the biggest attack on America

has produced almost nothing in the way of media documentaries, movies, etc.

Why is that? Given the lack of evidence that we've been exposed too, why hasn't someone asked questions and speculated on the answers?

It's like no one wants to remember that day, media wise, because the answers would be too painful.

52+ minutes after the 2nd WTC hit, the Pentagon is hit....criminal conspiracy or criminal negligence? Either way, why no accountability?

[skypilot]

6. If you read the transcripts...

...from the Independent Commission hearings there are alot of people pleading incompetence. If they are willing to claim such a massive level of incompetence to hide the truth then imagine how much worse the truth must be. I mean, no one could be as incompetent as they claimed to be on that day. I'd rather cut eat my tongue than make myself out to be the kind of blundering doofus these guys made themselves out to be. One Air Force guy says that fighter jets were deployed out over the Atlantic Ocean(?!?!) even though the attacks were coming from within our borders. Supposedly they were still in Cold War mode. Another actually claims that even after the SECOND WTC crash he still wasn't sure that this was an attack. He simply percieved it as some kind of "pattern". That's actually the word he used. Pattern.

[Old and In the Way]

7. Plus the radar was pointing in the wrong direction.

They takes us all for morons....

[tlcandie]

10. US government MINDERS

Wasn't it just recently that we pulled out of Iraq weapons inspections because of the MINDERS which Sadaam kept on his people which * said kept them from telling the truth and now WE are doing the same?


<snip>
The Justice Department has forbidden intelligence officials to be interviewed without "minders" among their bosses being present, a tactic clearly meant to intimidate witnesses.
<snip>

Sadly, ironic :wtf:

[skypilot]

11. I'm having trouble e-mailing her

Below is the text of an e-mail that I have been trying to send to Ms.Sheehy since yesterday. I think her mailbox might be full. Is anyone else having trouble?


Thank you so much for the piece in the New York Observer yesterday.. It raised some uncomfortable questions about Washington officials' response (or lack of response) on Sept.11. I too have read timelines of the events of that day and have also read transcripts of testimony given to the Independent Commission. Certain things definitely don't add up.

There was one thing in your article that jumped out at me. It was this sentence: "At 8:40am on 9/11, the FAA notified NORAD that Flight No.11 had been hijacked."

The fact is, the 8:40am claim has never been verified. Even the NORAD officials that testified before the independent commission are careful not to say with any definitiveness that 8:40am is the time they were first notified of the hijacking of Flight 11--a hijacking which air traffic controllers became aware of at 8:20am. They simply say that that is the time that NORAD eventually recorded as having been notified. When asked if an exact time of notification can be provided, the commission is given an answer along the lines of , "I'll get back to you with that." I suspect that these NORAD officials want to keep saying "8:40am" and "FAA" in the same sentence so that the "official" version of events includes statements like the one I noted in your article. As far as I know, no one has "gotten back" to the commission with the EXACT time that the FAA notified NORAD about the hijacking of Flight 11. I suspect that if air traffic controllers knew at 8:20am that Flight 11 was being hijacked then they probably notified NORAD within a minute or two if not within seconds. I strongly believe that NORAD officials do not want this to come out because it would obviously beg the question as to what was done (or not done) in that 20 minute time period. It's also telling that the members of the commission would be questioning NORAD officials about the timeline of events that day without first (or at some point) questioning the air traffic controllers that were on duty that day and who would have been the first ones to notice a problem. I'm sure they could tell us exactly what time they notified NORAD but, as far as I know, no one seems to be asking them--so NORAD's "8:40am" claim/guestimate is what sticks in the public record. Mission accomplished. Lay the blame on the FAA for notifying NORAD only minutes before the first attack.

Anyway, thanks again for the article and your time.

[Abe Linkman]

12. As Clinton said about a different conspiracy: "Isn't it obvious?"

"the answers would be too painful."

Too painful? I could THINK of a different way of saying it, but I know what you mean.

"They" can't take the risk of anything which might help awaken the masses and cause them to sit up straight in their Lazy Boy and say:

"Well Howdy and hot damn; I never DID really see how some crazy fool in a cave could have done it. He certainly didn't take credit for it, and it wasn't HIM who benefited from 911 --- it was well, you know as well I do who has benefited. 9/11 is just an updated Drug War (maybe hopped up a bit on steroids, like Arnold) that benefits a whole slew of special interests...everybody and his brother and sister-in-law, just not you and me."

[jmcgowanjm]

17. The Dog that didn't bark

Someone is making the movies
writing the books

but they're getting slammed
ignored, driven into poverty.

See-Fortunate Son Author
(no longer w/ us)

[jmcgowanjm]

19. Michael Moore is working on a 911 movie n/t

[Dancing_Dave]

13. Thank you!

This is the kind of thing which really shows that some people really are waking up, thinking for themselves, and rejecting the pathetic way of the Political and Media Suckers, who don't realize how many stupid lies have gotten around through our corporate media, due to the immense wealth and power of the Bush Clan. We don't have as many billions of dollars to play with so maybe we don't know how much corruption and deception it can accomplish through the corporate media system, or how many disinfo agents they can easily hire to mislead potentially problematic sites like the Democratic Underground. But we can wake up at any time. When the hidden truth about 9/11 gets out, the Bush Regime will fall.

[Bolo Boffin]

14. What is your stake in all of this?

We don't have as many billions of dollars to play with so maybe we don't know how much corruption and deception it can accomplish through the corporate media system, or how many disinfo agents they can easily hire to mislead potentially problematic sites like the Democratic Underground.

If you actually believe this crap you're spreading, then you are under orders to get laid as quickly as possible. Do everything the law will allow to enjoy the company of another human being in your or their bed, pronto.

But I strongly suspect that you don't believe it, or that you are a sockpuppet of somebody else here. This Peter Finch act is lousy - I just saw Network, and this is a very poor imitation. Therefore, you're either scamming the ignorant for outright cash, like Vreeland, or you're hawking synthetic urine to stoners...

http://www.passitkit.com

http://www.passitkit.com/planes.htm

...or you're some right wing troll out to wreak your pathetic havoc on a left wing board.

But you could just be another desperate loon eager for attention. So just go find somebody to love, and remember to vote Democratic in the 2004 election. Kay?

[Cassandra]

21. You're welcome

As you can see, there are plenty of basic questions to be asked. I'm one of those people who think the possibility of bombs in the WTC is a distraction. Not only do I not believe it, but arguing the point is a distraction from the very serious points that these women have brought out. There are many ways for this administration to have been involved without actually planting explosives.