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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 07:18 PM
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Can you say Nuclear ?
Edited on Tue Mar-07-06 07:19 PM by Twist_U_Up
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 07:29 PM
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1. So where is all the radiactive dust?
or all the radiation induced illness and death?
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simonm Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 07:54 PM
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2. Thermite
or NanoThermite for vaporizing solid steel.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 08:47 PM
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3. And just how the hell does thermite
vaporize steel unless every square inch of the steel is covered by the stuff? I think you need to explain this with more then a single sentence.
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simonm Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 12:24 AM
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6. A basic answer
A basic answer for a basic question.

"What forces turn steel to dust in midair?"

I don't think all that dust in the video was from steel. Now, if you are looking for a reasonable scientific explanation for the cloud, I recommend the video below.

Video Example on 9/11 Pyroclastic Clouds:

http://www.911eyewitness.com/googlelowrez.html
(forward to 1:07:46)







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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 04:30 PM
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12. ????
you didn't answer my question about thermite and I never asked about the clouds. Can't you ever answer a direct question with a direct answer?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 10:53 PM
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4. There was 8 million pounds
of vermiculite packed into the perimeter columns: between the aluminum facade and the steel column. The dust you see is largely from this material escaping as the perimeter columns were destroyed.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 11:25 PM
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5. Are you sure?
I think it might be the sprayed-on asbestos fireproofing that's sometimes identified as "vermiculite plaster."
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simonm Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 12:51 AM
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8. Link
"The WTC towers were built from 1968 to 1972. A slurry mixture of asbestos and cement was sprayed on as fireproofing material. But this practice was banned by the New York City Council in 1971. This halted the spraying, but not before hundreds of tons of the material had been applied. Some but not all of it was later removed in an abatement program. Asbestos was also used in other applications that ordinarily do not leave a friable (crumbly) residue, but that can be turned to dust under the extraordinary conditions that existed on Sept. 11. The combustion of building materials and furnishings by jet fuel might also be expected to generate some rather exotic chemicals. "


http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/environment.html
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 05:17 AM
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10. See figure four
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 08:57 AM
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11. Yes thanks, that's my point.


"38 Fire resistant vermiculite plaster"

The "vermiculite" appears to be bound in the spray-on fireproofing. In other words, there isn't any loose, granular material inside or outside the columns, at least as shown in this figure, which is also in the NIST report.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 06:03 PM
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13. It's not clear that it appears to bound in the spray on fireproofing
to me. Do you have a link?

If you can't find a link maybe you can explain how the vermiculite was sprayed on in the correct shape to allow the facade to be installed.

I believe the vermiculite plaster was poured into the cavity after the facade was installed. No where have I seen a reference to this fireproofing being a spray on material.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 06:44 PM
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14. No it isn't terribly clear
but it's a logical conclusion. Here's simonm's link from #8 above:

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/environment.html#ref2

My guess is they applied it at the factory, or wherever the column sections were prefabricated.
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simonm Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 12:37 AM
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7. Not nuclear
It looks like the camera was adjusting to the light. Very common with digital cameras. You can tell by looking at the whole picture when the contrast is changed.

Besides, there is no need to use nuclear devices when conventional explosives work fine.
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-08-06 03:20 AM
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9. Nuke Cannot Be Delayed And Explosion Went For 10 Seconds. No RAD!!
And there is no radiation.

Conventional explosive will do the job just fine, if they are optimally placed and distributed. See this site. Free fall and total pulverization are explained as well as the fact that the wrong tower fell first.


http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html
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