A Coup Against World Civilization-Tarpley in SF

[Dancing_Dave]

What an amazing intellectual over-view:

"We are dealing with state-sponsored, false flag terrorism. I don't mean state-sponsored in the sense that it has to be sponsored by the entire command structure of the country in question, but that it is carried forward by a private network ensconced and infesting decisive nodal points in the state apparatus of that country. I'll try to show you what I mean.

Patsies and Fall Guys

Here we have to distinguish a world of patsies, the people that you hear about, I'll try to show you some of this in detail, the people we can call the dupes, the useful idiots, the fanatics, the police agents, the double agents, the provocateurs, in short the Oswalds, the fall guys. Lee Harvey Oswald - 'I'm just a patsy' - direct quote. That's one group.

The Moles. This is the group of government officials, the network of government officials, whose loyalty is not to the command structure, the Constitution or their country in some diffuse sense, but rather their loyalty goes to a private intelligence network, a private clique, faction, a group of putschists if you will, people trying to have a coup d'état.

Professional Killers and Asteroids You also have to distinguish the professional killers. These are the cold blooded technicians of murder. This is the sort of area where you see retired veterans of the Special Forces, the Delta Force, the CIA Operations Directorate, and so on down the line - the old boys. At the end of the '80s and the beginning of the '90s, the term for this group in Washington was the asteroids.

All of them operate in a brainwashed world of the controlled corporate media which establishes the terms of the debate. Now the patsies are up front, the moles are known but the fact that they are moles is not well-known. The professional killers don't ever want to become known, they'd rather be completely anonymous."

"If you want to show this to people at a comprehensible level there's an interesting movie called The Package made in the late 1980s that does show the levels of moles, dupes, and professional killers. Its premise is that Gene Hackman is a good US Army sergeant who stumbles upon a plot by a clique of US and Soviet officers - there's a private network - who are determined to assassinate Gorbachev in order to stop disarmament and détente which they don't want. We have Tommy Lee Jones as a professional killer, the hit man. The US generals and Soviet generals who work together are the moles. Then we have a dim-witted army person from the stockade that they bring from the Army brig and use him as a patsy. So I recommend this interesting movie The Package with Gene Hackman and Tommy Lee Jones. It is the only thing from Hollywood that I have ever seen that has any connection to reality in it. (Audience laughter and applause.)

Now, the Kean-Hamilton Commission. The nicest thing that we can say is that they beg the question. They have assumed as given that which they have to prove, their official story. They haven't proven the official story, they haven't come anywhere near it. It is a scandal, it is an abject failure and as I will try to show, the tragedy of the Kean-Hamilton Commission is that it leaves the door wide open to future terrorism because the real terrorist networks have remained totally untouched, totally uninvestigated, totally unknown and the 19 patsies have been essentially destroyed."

http://www.waronfreedom.org/wgt-sf-speech.html

All so amazingly right on...Webster Tarpley is truely the George Orwell of our day!

[Dancing_Dave]

1. You can get Tarpley's classic 9/11 investigation book

"9/11 Synthetic Terrorism: Made in the USA" from
http://www.waronfreedom.org/index.html

Buy a few copies for your open minded anti-Bush friends, makes quite an eye-opening birthday present to say the least! They'll never forget it. :pals:

[Frederik]

2. Hi Dave

another short lecture by Webster Tarpley on this same subject can be found here, alongside several other interesting video clips:

http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_september11.htm

If not perhaps a George Orwell, he does know what he's talking about.

[Dancing_Dave]

3. Here's Webster Tarpley's chapter on explosive demolition of the WTC

http://www.reopen911.org/Tarpley_ch_6.pdf

He lays the essentials out very well indeed. ;-)

[Dancing_Dave]

4. I see spooked911 wants to add this to the Tarpley library

http://www.kpfa.org/archives/archives.php?id=13&limit=N

Hear him out with an open mind, he is a great historian who has been studying terrorizing covert operations and the Bush family for decades.

[spooked911]

5. Yes-- totally. He has the most coherent 9/11 analysis I've seen.

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[dbeach]

8. Mini -nukes hit WTC ???

rummy has been crying for those nuclear bunker busters...

maybe he had Marvin plant a few at WTC?? Marve did own the insurance contracts of WTC and Dulles up to 7/01???

[Dancing_Dave]

10. Whether it was mini-nukes or some combination of chemical explosives

Including thermite in the WTC sub-basements is a research question which still has not been resolved. The argument for mini-nukes was best made by a Finnish military expert:
http://members.surfeu.fi/11syyskuu/military.htm

[dbeach]

11. PG Illness from 91 war..may be Deplted Uranium[DU} or some other lethal co

including the antrax vaccine...

Young soldiers who have a myriad of health problems for serving their country..while their fearless leader cannot even produce verifible evidence that he received an honorable discharge from the Air Reserve..

notice how he says he served honorably..not he received an honorable discharge...

[Dancing_Dave]

13. This early study of WTC explosive debris (dust)

May be consistent with a Depleted Uranium interpretation:
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2002/110p703-714lioy/lioy-full.html

"Abstract

The explosion and collapse of the World Trade Center (WTC) was a catastrophic event that produced an aerosol plume impacting many workers, residents, and commuters during the first few days after 11 September 2001. Three bulk samples of the total settled dust and smoke were collected at weather-protected locations east of the WTC on 16 and 17 September 2001; these samples are representative of the generated material that settled immediately after the explosion and fire and the concurrent collapse of the two structures. We analyzed each sample, not differentiated by particle size, for inorganic and organic composition. In the inorganic analyses, we identified metals, *radionuclides*, ionic species, asbestos, and inorganic species. In the organic analyses, we identified polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), polychlorinated biphenyls, polychlorinated dibenzodioxins, polychlorinated dibenzofurans, pesticides, phthalate esters, brominated diphenyl ethers, and other hydrocarbons. Each sample had a basic pH. Asbestos levels ranged from 0.8% to 3.0% of the mass, the PAHs were > 0.1% of the mass, and lead ranged from 101 to 625 µg/g. The content and distribution of material was indicative of a complex mixture of building debris and combustion products in the resulting plume."

"Radionuclides. We analyzed the gamma spectrum of the samples using an EG&G/Ortec high-purity Ge detector (50% relative efficiency) gamma counter (EG&G/Ortec Instruments, Inc., Oak Ridge, TN). We analyzed approximately 50 peaks based on statistical significance (counting/lack of interferences). These included thorium, uranium, actinium series, and primordial radionuclides. Liquid scintillation analyses were conducted for emissions on the total dust and smoke samples using a Packard Tri-Carb Model 2770 TR/SL (Packard Instrument, Meriden, CT). The MDA for alpha radioactivity was 0.30 DPM (0.14 pCi) based on a NIST-traceable 226Ra standard (National Institute of Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, MD). When placed in the liquid scintillation fluid, the WTC samples are somewhat darker than the backgrounds and calibration standard, which may cause slight underreporting of the beta activity due to quenching and standard-to-sample efficiency bias."

The identification of uranium, actinium and thorium by their quantum emission spectra was certainly significant. They could have come from a Depleted Uranuim cover on a missile fired at the WTC, or on a conventional (chemical) explosive planted in the WTC. However, the identification of a gamma-active actinium series in such a small sample of WTC dust suggests that they could have been part of a covering on a pure-fusion mini-nuke. This would have absorbed some of the excess neutrons from a fusion reaction, and then scattered the long-term fallout so thinly, far and wide that it would hardly be noticed. Consider the mushroom shaped clouds that formed high above each of the Twin Towers as they were being demolished. That high temperature material, born by strong thermal up-drafts, was largely carried by high level atmospheric winds out to sea...

However, the workers on the WTC rubble pile were still in danger. Some of their long-term health problems are very strange, disturbing and signifant.

I can say more on this topic if anyone happens to be interested...

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[Dancing_Dave]

17. Well, I guess I can't talk about that subject at Democratic Underground

What a pity for the people who are still suffering. :nopity:

[Frederik]

15. It is interesting that

Indira Singh - JP Morgan Chase whistleblower on Ptech - said in the last KPFA Guns & Butter interview that the health problems which followed the attacks resembled the Gulf vet problems, and generally radiation sickness. She was a volunteer worker on the site and got really sick herself.

http://www.kpfa.org/archives/archives.php?id=13&limit=N

It's a must-hear - Indira is an incredibly important person in uncovering the truth of 9/11. She also said that they were told to move away from WTC7 by the NYFD because they were going to bring it down, a couple of hours before it collapsed!

Second part of the interview is also to be found on the link above, from yesterday. I haven't had the time to listen to it but I think it'll be very interesting.

[Dancing_Dave]

18. I'm checking it out

There does seem to be some really interesting info here...it can be used to support Tarpley's research on how the 9/11 propaganda plot unfolded as well.

[demodewd]

19. re: P-Tech

The P-Tech area of her testimony was to be aired Weds,5/4, but was postponed due to a need to do more "editing".

[Frederik]

20. Really?

Hope there's no censorship going on.

[demodewd]

12. would..ehhem..

Would mini-nukes cause the golden glow phenomenon?

[Dancing_Dave]

14. Well, naturally.

n/t

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[dbeach]

6. tarpley co-wrote "Unauohorized bio of GHWBush with AntoinChaikin

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

I never read this book but I have spoke with Antoin on phone ..
I enjoy listening to Tarpley and find him quite believable...

I did read "American Dynasty' by Kevin Phillips who outlines the history of the bush crime family syndicate..
this book finalized my beliefs that the bush cartel are a bunch of Nazi agents..from Sam to Prescott to sr. to jr. all made in hell by the ..

[dbeach]

9. Marve Bush had stock in WTC and Dulles insurer..

Bush moved lots of stock in 2001,,

But hey its just bushness as usual for the legal arch-criminals...

http://www.populist.com/03.02.burns.html
"A company that provided security at the World Trade Center, Washington D.C.'s Dulles International Airport and United Airlines between 1995 and 2001 was backed by a private Kuwaiti-American investment firm whose records were not open to full public disclosure, with ties to the Bush family.

Marvin P. Bush, a younger brother of George W. Bush, was a principal in the company from 1993 to 2000, when most of the work on the big projects was done. But White House responses to 9/11 have not publicly disclosed the company's part in providing security to any of the named facilities.

Public records indicate that the firm, formerly named Securacom, had Bush on its board of directors. He was also listed as a significant shareholder. The firm, which is now named Stratesec, Inc., is located in Sterling, Va., a D.C. suburb, and emphasizes federal clients. Bush is no longer on the board.

Bush has not responded to repeated telephoned and emailed requests for comment.

The American Stock Exchange delisted Stratesec's stock in October 2002. (Securacom also had a contract to provide security at Los Alamos National Laboratories, notorious for its security breach.)

According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down." Yet instead of being investigated, the company and companies involved with it have benefited from legislation pushed by the Bush White House and rubber-stamped by Congressional Republicans. Stratesec, its backer KuwAm, and their corporate officers stand to benefit from limitations on liability and national-security protections from investigation provided in bills since 9/11.

HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc., a reinsurance corporation on whose board Marvin Bush sat as director until November 2002, similarly benefits from terrorism insurance protections. (Bush's first year on the board at HCC coincided with his last year on the board at Stratesec.) HCC, formerly Houston Casualty Company, carried some of the insurance for the World Trade Center. It posted a loss for the quarter after the attacks of Sept. 11 and dropped participation in worker's compensation as a result. Bush remains an adviser to the chairman and the Board of Directors, as well as a member of the company's investment committee."
"

[Dancing_Dave]

21. This is a very important connection!

I hope New Yorkers in particular are aware of these connections behind 9/11, and add to it some things they are best positioned to figure out for themselves! :yourock:

[Dancing_Dave]

22. Steppin' out of Babylon...

Progressive radio personality Sue Supriano did an interview with Webster Tarpley a while back:
http://www.suesupriano.com/webstertarpley.html
:loveya:

[dbeach]

23. GHW Bush breakfasted with Shafig Bin Laden on 9/11 in D.C.

I know its just a coincidence that bin ladens been rolling bush cabal dollars and barells for yrs..

Just coincidence ..bushness as usual..

I hunted for 2 hrs to get the breakfast article..


http://www.oilempire.us/bushbinladen.html

http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm

"It’s passing strange that even as the hijacked planes smashed into the World Trade Center, the Carlyle Group was holding its annual investor conference. Shafig Bin Laden, brother of Osama Bin Laden, attended.

Just as his father did, he invokes executive privilege to hide all evidence of collusion with the petroleum pashas who have enriched the Bushes and intimidated the rest of us."

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=38979&Disp=Refresh&

Bush Senior Met With Bin Laden's Brother on 9/11


Paul Joseph Watson


"Comment: Despite studying September 11 for two years solid, one fact I only just discovered is that George W. Bush's father was meeting with Osama bin Laden's brother, Shafig bin Laden, in the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Washington, on the morning of 9/11. They were on Carlyle Group business just a few miles from where hijackers supposedly acting on behalf of Osama bin Laden would fly a plane into the Pentagon."
"

[hang a left]

24. 9-11 Synthetic Terror

As a result of reading this thread I bought Tarpley's book 9/11 Synthetic Terror. I am through about the first 150 pages. I spent the years when I should have been in high school and college destroying myself with drugs. So sometimes things go over my head. I don't get all of the book so far. But I think I am getting the gist of it.

According to Tarpley the motive for the attacks of 9-11 are different that what I had established in my own mind prior to reading his book. In the past I have thought that the motivation was "peak oil". Having read fromthewilderness for three years and recently reading Rubicon.

Tarpley states that the results of Globilization "has completed the destruction of the United States as a political economy, and has substantially wrecked the entire world economy..." (pg 123). He sites financial crises and panics that took place between the years 1987 and 2003 that took the world to the brink of systemic breakdown of the world financial and monetary systems and the impact these fates have had on the dollar. He refers readers to another book he wrote in 1999, Surviving the Cataclysm, for the details. (Maybe I'll read that book next, but I bet that will be miles above my head). The second reason for 9-11 he states is the continued hedgmony of the dollar as the world's currency and the necessity to facilitate that with fear of US military might.

Anyway it is a different take on the motivations and those responsible for 9-11. It is very interesting and I cant wait to finish it. I wish I could talk to someone about it. My husband won't hear any of it and I don't know anyone else that has not accepted the official story of 9-11 who would even be approachable enough to try to get them to question their conditioning by the media and the other "moles" that are responsible for the continued coverup of why and what took place on that terrible day.

I have so many questions. One of them is where are the firefighters today. Why hasn't anyone spoken out. Are any of them somehow involved in the 9-11 truth movement? I have read postulations that they are afraid for their jobs, retirement et al. and that they have been forbidden to discuss the explosions that they witnessed on that day. What about the flight controllers? Although I believe that there were MANY people that had foreknowledge about what was going to take place, there has to be many more patriotic americans that know now in retrospect that what took place that day and the story that would then become the official one didn't gel.

It is clear that the discussion of 9-11 has been relegated to this forum, when it used to be openly discussed in GD. How do you get the information out to the public?

And then, what would actually happen if TOO many people started asking questions? They'd have to shut it down. I would imagine that there is no fear in that since no questions will ever make their way into the msm.

Once you realize in your gut that 19 arab hijackers were not responsible for the devastating acts that took place, it changes you. It has changed me forever.

[Dancing_Dave]

25. Good questions!

I'm not sure that Tarpley is really in disagreement with those who cite oil as the key motive of Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, etc. Tarpley just puts it in a somewhat larger context, which helps explain why so much of the financial/political establishment has gone along with the official 9/11 myth so far.

Firefighters have been afraid to speak since they could lose their jobs, but I think we will be hearing from some of them soon...especially the ones who ended up disabled as a result of toxic emmissions and debris (dust) from the explosive demolition of the WTC. Also, most of the firefighters probably haven't heard the broader context which makes what they have to so say significant. When they really start putting things together and realize how their friends who died were sacrificed to a political coup from the top, some will certainly take the risks of coming forward!

New York City is definately the place where the 9/11 truth movement needs to succeed if it's going to make any difference at all. And I have a feeling once the 9/11 cover-up really starts unravelling among New Yorkers, and many of them become furious about what the Bush gang has done to them...it could all happen very quickly from there.

But all around the planet, we can to do our bit to help by spreading the word where we can.

It is really hard to talk to people about this issue, there's a lot of my family and friends I can't discuss it with either. It's getting a little better all the time though. More and more people are getting deeply sceptical about the whole current regime.



;-)

[Dancing_Dave]

26. Familiarize yourself with David Griffen's communication style too

For example, in his classic book, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11" and his recent appearence on CSPAN. Griffen and Tarpley really don't disagree significantly about what happened and why, but they have different communication styles, and Griffen's approach may help you more in communicating with some people.

:pals:

[hang a left]

28. I know it is just a hypothesis but....

I am having a little trouble with Tarpley's suggestions of the possible threats to the life of gwb** on 9-11. That the authors of 9-11 worked out a deal with bush over the course of several hours for his unwaivering support of war everywhere for an opportunity to live another day. I also don't get the nuke threats. What would that have achieved?

First of all I am of the belief that the plans to invade Iraq were in place from day one of this administration. Positions were filled all over DC with PNAC signatories. I think that their agenda was was the road map all along. They just needed their "Pearl Harbor" and off they were.

Anyway maybe someone can elaborate and make this a little clearer.

[demodewd]

30. he connects the dots

Tarpley connects the dots with the reported threat"Angel is next",refering to a warning that missiles could be heading towards Air Force One(Angel). Evidently both Chaney and Rice alluded to this "Angel is next" warning early on but then quickly denied the warning.

Bush went to an airbase in Louisiana and then to Offut according to Webster to reassure these bases that he did not issue any order to ready missiles just as a precaution against the believed possibility that a coup had access to the nuclear codes.This is why Bush did not go directly to DC according to Tarpley.


At first I fought against this interpretation but have gradually come around to it and now enthusiastically support it. It took me awhile to get off the idea that Bush was a part of the planner's cabal.

[demodewd]

29. 2 interviews

Two comprehensive interviews with Tarpley can be found at http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php the April 6th and 20 th editions.