On 9-11, Bush wasn't the only one with glue on his butt

[DoYouEverWonder]

It seems everyone in his misadministration had glue on their butts too. No one in the top leadership of the US government did anything to respond to the attack while it was in progress. Why? Because the attack was supposed to be over by 9:00 AM.


On Sept 11, 2001 at about 9:00 AM Bush arrived at Booker Elementary. When Bush stepped out of the limo, he already knew that a passenger jet had hit the WTC and that there were other hijacked planes in the air. Bush wasn?t the only one who knew this. Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Myers, Tenet were all told about, or saw on TV, the first attack. By 9:00 AM all of them knew that a terrorist attack was in progress.

All four planes were scheduled to take off by 8:01 AM. If everything had gone according to plan, then by 9:00 ? 9:15 AM at the latest, the attack should have been over. However, two of the planes took off late, with flight 93 taking off 45 minutes behind schedule.

If all of the planes had left on time, Bush wouldn?t have gotten stuck sitting in a 2nd grade classroom reading, My Pet Goat, waiting for the attack to finish.

Cheney wouldn?t have had to just sit in his office with Condi watching the attack on CNN but otherwise not reacting, until the SS came to drag him out, when they found out a plane might be heading to DC.

Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz wouldn?t have had to continue with their meeting, claiming that they didn?t think there was anything they could do about the attack at that point anyway.

Myers wouldn?t have had to go into Max Cleland?s office, leaving instructions with the secretary not to disturb them.

Tenet would not have finished breakfast in DC and then tried to drive through DC traffic, all the way to Langley, VA before checking in.

Now I can understand one or two people reacting inappropriately, but not every single person in the top leadership positions. The only reason I can come up with to explain all of these odd reactions is that they knew. They knew what was going down and they had to wait for it to be over before they could react.

Fortunately, things don't always go the way you plan but because of the flight delays and Bush and the rest of the gang got stuck stalling and looking like a bunch of fools. Because of the delays, the rest of the world was given a small window of time to examine and see the real reactions and responses of the people in power to an ongoing terrorist attack. No wonder the 9-11 Commission didn?t want to examine the actual events and reactions of the leadership that morning. Because if they did, it would have proved that the top leadership of this country knew exactly what was going on and allowed it to happen.

So here we are 3 years later and not a single one of them has been held accountable for their inaction. It?s a good thing we are having an election in four days because it is time for the American people to hold them accountable. It is time for them to go.

[BlueDog2u]

1. Interesting Perspective.../eom

[RH]

2. What would you have had them do?

Shoot down civilian airliners and ask questions later?

[Abe Linkman]

4. That's exactly what they did! The issue is WHAT do you DISagree with?

FL 93 (or, what is commmonly known as FL 93) WAS shot down.

[LARED]

5. Abe, it's a real pleasure to see you back

"WAS shot down"

Do you actually have any proof of that?

[RH]

6. Is that what you'd do, Abe?

Shoot first and ask questions later?

[Abe Linkman]

8. No. I'd ask QUESTIONS first, then shoot the bastards. How about you?

The people who are responsible for the 9/11 attacks deserve no less, do they?

[RH]

10. I'd rely on briefings and delegation.

Now what about the original question, the general theme?

What would you have had them do?

What sort of questions should they have asked?

[Old and In the Way]

17. I'd have expected intercepts, at the very least.

Seems to me that after the 2nd WTC shit, fighters would be up and protecting the airspecaes, particularly Washington, DC. They had a 52 minute "heads up", but no aircraft intercepted 77 on its way back into DC? Hard to believe oyr $400BB/year military couldn't have made visual contact with any of the flights......

[Abe Linkman]

3. M-ATC: You agree with this analysis, don't you? If not, why not?

Which of the author's points and conclusions do you DISagree with, and why do you disagree with them?

Thank you, we'll hold.

* It is inappropriate to refer readers to the ASCE report as a response the above.

[MercutioATC]

9. No, I don't agree with this analysis.

The main point with which I disagree is that the architects of the plan would have had to believe that those planes would take off on time for this argument to hold water. What idiot would bet on those planes taking off on time? They rarely do.

I agree that everybody involved acted in a generally incompetent manner, but I don't think it was because they thought it would all be over by 9:00 am.

[Abe Linkman]

11. In other words, you defend them w/the usual excuses of...

HUMINT failures, bureaucratic snafus, negligence, and whatever else the public will believe (which is pretty much anything...though not everything). Soitnly not: "HEY, look at that guy in the hospital bed. Isn't that OSAMA talking to the CIA Station Chief? Wonder what they mean by 'SOON COME'"?

[MercutioATC]

12. No, I meant exactly what I said.

Since those flights don't have good on-time performance, I don't think it makes sense that everybody expected things to be over by 9:00.

It's that simple.

[Abe Linkman]

13. Be consistent. You know their expectations could have been negligent.

Many OCTheorists claim the whole thing was just the result of negligence and incompetence. It makes very good sense to think that "everybody expected things to be over by 9:00".

It's that simple. No need to even cite the ASCE report.

You yourself said: ("the government knew the possibility of a terrorist attack was high but neglected to take precautions").

Those perps just neglected to take timely precautions. It simply didn't occur to them to think the trains wouldn't run on time.

[MercutioATC]

14. They engineered over 3000 American deaths, crashed four planes

(or three planes and a missile, or four planes and a missile....), destroyed two big office towers in the center of NYC, blew apart part of the Pentagon, covered it all up...

...and they forgot that planes frequently don't depart on time?


:eyes:

[Abe Linkman]

15. Well, see. They're all a bunch of cave dwellers. What would THEY know?

"They" certainly did cause problems and death on 9/11. Maybe one day, the public will learn the truth about who "They" are and WHY they did what they did. Course you already know, but you're honest.

[MercutioATC]

16. WTF are you talking about?

"They" in my post (which referenced the subject post) refers to this administration.

Your post was supposed to make sense as a reply?

[DoYouEverWonder]

18. That is why they picked the first flights out in the AM

Those flights almost always leave on time.

The only reason for delaying the first flight out is weather, 9-11-01 was a gorgeous clear fall morning, or mechanical difficulty, which again for a first flight out is rare since they have since the night before to fix any problems.

[Make7]

7. Was this a typo?

"All four planes were scheduled to take off by 8:01 AM." - DoYouEverWonder

Just wondering. :)

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On Time Departure Statistics for one year prior to 9/11/2001:

AA from BOS
18.87 - percent of flights delayed more than 15 minutes
42.17 - average additional delay in minutes compared to average flight
7.49 - percent of flights cancelled

UA from BOS
19.11 - percent of flights delayed more than 15 minutes
49.27 - average additional delay in minutes compared to average flight
7.52 - percent of flights cancelled

AA from IAD
8.10 - percent of flights delayed more than 15 minutes
59.75 - average additional delay in minutes compared to average flight
5.20 - percent of flights cancelled

UA from EWR
17.17 - percent of flights delayed more than 15 minutes
52.84 - average additional delay in minutes compared to average flight
7.98 - percent of flights cancelled

(Source: Bureau of Transportation Statistics)
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What are the chances that all four flights were not delayed or cancelled? One in ten?

This was their plan? And they expected it to be successful? They came up with no contingencies for delayed flights except sitting on their asses?

-Make7

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. You need to look at the stats

for first flights out.

See my post above.

[Last Lemming]

20. Remember

you start with ten--chances are some will depart on time--scrub the rest--remember the arguments that erupted in other planes taking off really late--