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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:57 PM
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A Critical (read: thorough debunking) Review of WTC 'No Plane' Theories
It's amazing to me that people still carry on the 'no plane' myth. Forget for a minute who you think was behind the controls or who put them up to it - How can any rational person claim those weren't airplanes that stuck WTC 1&2??

Are there any 'no planers' here who would like to chime in?



http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/review.html

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The over-arching weakness of the TV fakery argument is this: how could the perpetrators have ensured control over all the images taken of the planes that approached the WTC? Only one unmodified image posted to the web would have exposed the operation. New York is a media capital of the world, with national networks, local network affiliates and independent TV stations, international media bureaus, and many independent video companies like the kinds I've worked for, and professional photographers. Professionals would have been rushing out to document whatever they could, through professional pride or the hope for making a buck off it. Evan Fairbanks and war photographer James Nachtway are some examples. And then there are also cameras in the possession of ordinary citizens and the thousands of New York's ever-present tourists. In addition, one should consider the possibility of foreign intelligence assets acquiring their own images of the attack (which so many knew was coming) which could be used for blackmail.
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2nd Hit TV Fakery?

Unlike the first hit, the multiple videos and photographs of the second hit clearly show a 767, so the no-planers are forced to claim that these videos were faked with computer graphics, overlaid in real-time on live TV or on tape afterward. Why the perps would resort to this risky operation when there was no technical obstacle to flying a plane into a building is never credibly explained.Not surprisingly, the anomalies turn out to be amateurish image analysis mistakes.

The observation of wings "flickering" on and off is one good example. These "flickering wings" only occur in the poorer quality video in which the brightness of the wing closely matches that of the background. What is happening is simple: noise and compression artifacts blur what little visual data there is of the edge of the wing. The wing then becomes indistinguishable from the background in that frame, hence the "disappearing wing" anomaly. Whether it happens or not in a particular frame is determined by random dispersal of noise and compression artifacts. But stepping back from the technical analysis, the flickering wing claim itself is fundamentally illogical: Other video angles show no flickering wing, undercutting the idea that the hologram was malfunctioning. And flickering like this simply does not happen in 3D animation unless the artist programs it to happen, thus eliminating the TV fakery hypothesis.

Markus Icke's argues that the plane was misshapen, with a "port-wing anomaly" that resulted in a droopy left wing. This argument arises from the fact that he used two images that had differing aspect ratios: one was stretched vertically compared to the other, creating a difference in their shapes. When this is corrected, the "port wing anomaly" disappears.



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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:14 PM
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1. Do we KNOW the planes hit on Sept 11? --Could be Disinfo--
What if the planes --really-- hit on Sept 10? And The Government held back telling anyone. That would give them a WHOLE DAY to work up the fake videos!

Or,

What if The Government CHANGED THE CALENDAR! And we all just -think- we saw those pictures on Sept 11. But that wasn't really the date.

PROVE THAT I AM WRONG.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 12:31 PM
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8. You might be on to something. nt
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:18 PM
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2. Honestly, I never read the "no planes" theory
So, I can't say anything about it. Looked like planes to me though.

But I am not OCT.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:20 PM
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3. Fair enough. nt
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PerpetualYnquisitive Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:51 PM
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4. That article is Da Bunk.
New York is a media capital of the world, with national networks, local network affiliates and independent TV stations, international media bureaus, and many independent video companies like the kinds I've worked for, and professional photographers.



And then there are also cameras in the possession of ordinary citizens and the thousands of New York's ever-present tourists.


Then I would guess that it doesn't seem strange to the OCTers that less than 3 dozen different videos of the supposed second hit are known to exist.

As for the 'foreign intelligence' agencies angle, if the FSB, for example, were to release video showing no plane hitting the WTC towers, you would automatically believe it to be true, right? Surely we have all been taught to believe what we are told by our supposed 'enemies', right? You would never consider it to be 'propaganda', right?

And to top it off, if so few people believe the NPT, then why is there so much hysteria over the issue?

I think though doth protest too much.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 03:33 PM
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7. I'm curious... How many videos would YOU EXPECT to exist?
Let's put aside, for a moment, the flaw in your logic... because there is probably a lot more private videos than we 'know' to be in existence.

How many videos would make YOU feel comfortable? How many, besides the news crews, should have had their cameras at the ready for this split-second event. How many people with cameras had them trained at the building at the right time and position to see the plane?

As for 'hysteria'.....who is hysterical? Is that projection on your part?
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 01:04 PM
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9. Why spend so much time on the NPT:
Though the number of people overall who believe it are few, the number of people who post here believing it are disproportionate.

We have, what, about 10-12 people posting alternate conspiracy ideas about 9/11 here? And at least three of them entertain and promote the NPT. They are among the more prolific posters, too. More that that are into Flight 77 denial, the original NPT.

Ludicrous, is what it is. The physical side of 9/11 happened. Those four planes were hijacked by 19 members of al-Qaeda. Three of them hit buildings. The fourth crashed in Pennsylvania. The WTC fell due to the structural damage and fire, and WTC 7 fell because of structural damage and fire. THESE THINGS ARE FACTS. Anyone promoting anything different is contributing to the lack of knowledge about these events. And on such elemental issues, they need to be restrained.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:55 PM
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5. I have never doubted that ...
planes were involved!
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 03:07 PM
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6. Fair enough. n/t
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