I think this is an unknown 9/11 news story that will break big soon

[paulthompson]

From the WorldNetDaily, of all places:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37903

Am I the only person to think so? We have the Sibel Edmonds revelations bouncing around a bit, but not quite breaking into the mainsteam US media yet (even though foreign papers have covered it a lot - typical). Now we have another FBI translator to back up Edmonds' recent hints of an April 2001 warning and provide more details about it. And he hints that other FBI translators are aware of this story as well.

Condi Rice today said there was no "smoking gun," "silver bullet," etc... What the heck is this?

A reliable FBI source says al-Qaeda is planning to attack US skyscrapers with planes as flying weapons. Specific cities, including New York, are mentioned. The fact that al-Qaeda is training pilots in the US for this mission is mentioned.

If that's not a smoking gun that should have exposed the 9/11 plot, then what is?!? They didn't even boost air defenses around those cities?

When is this story going to break out into the mainstream?

[megaplayboy]

1. Mainstream US mews media will require some kind of documentation...

...or confirmation from their own inside sources in the FBI/other agencies, etc.
That's probably hard to come by.
But maybe if there'a a half dozen translators with similar recollections, and a few documents suggestive of this type of revelation, that's a really big deal. But there has to be some kind of indication that it was raised with someone higher up than an immediate superior. Otherwise it's that whole plausible deniability thing.

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[Rabrrrrrr]

3. And the unasked ?: why was the military told to stand down on 9-11?

That's the question no one has really asked, and no one has really answered. I was in the attacks in NYC, and I can't remember when a military plane finally showed up over NYC, but I know it was not until after the south tower fell down, which is what - 1.25 hours after the first plane went into the north tower.

I remember,because I was next to the south tower when it fell, and I know I was many, many blocks away before the military showed up.

The one thing I can't remember is whether the military showed up before or after the north tower (the second one to fall) fell, but I KNOW FOR AN AbSOLUTE FACT that no military was there before the south tower fell.

That's fucking bullshit, and a total violation of a) standard military/FAA procedure, and b) military/FAA procideure involving, specifically, the WTC, because after the 1993 bombings very precise and specific precautions and rules were taken in regards to the WTC, such as automatic military presence for any airplane coming within a certain distance of the WTC.

And,of course, standard FAA rules are that any plane that doesn't respond by radio gets an instant military escort, and any plane that goes off their planned route gets an immediate military escort.

On 9-11, all planes met both criteria for instant military intervention.

The only possibile conclusion is that the military was told from on-high - whether from the fake president idiot himself, from the VP, from Rummy, or from AssKKKroft, we don't know - but someone gave the order to stand down, and I want the godddamn truth as to who, and I want that person to serve life in prison.

[4MoreYearsOfHell]

4. My goodness

send this to the commission...

Sorry, do not have the link...

[TreasonousBastard]

6. Well...

according to the Frontline I taped the other night, there were only 4 planes ready to scramble in the entire Northeast.

They got the order to scramble shortly after 2nd tower went down and everyone realized it wasn't an accident. That was the take Frontline had-- that the first plane was seen by the White House as just an accident, and not an attack. The second one hit and it was an "OH SHIT!" moment. Which also meant that there was a good half hour lost. A lot more than that if everyone was on the ball.

That seems to be the key to the whole mess-- nobody caught on to the first plane being off course, which almost makes sense if you know how TRACON in Islip works, and no one put together the other off course planes until it was too late.

After the first three hit, controllers noticed that they had a radar blip with no transponder over PA, and by that time none of the scrambled fighters were anywhere near it.

There's a lot being said about Cheney ordering a standown, but apparently the order being talked about was not a standdown, but the order to shoot down the fourth if it wouldn't respond. Even many present didn't know what that order was, since knowledge of it would be on a need to know basis. And, Cheney was apparently acting in the war room bunker on the authority of Bush, who was on his way to Nebraska, or some damn place, to get a drink, or something. Anyway Shrub was unavailable to run the show, probably for the best, and authority was supposedly properly given to Cheney.

A massive fuckup to be sure, but not convincing evidence of LIHOP.

Even without LIHOP, the fuckup is more than enough reason to dump the chumps.

[MercutioATC]

5. WorldNet Daily??????

Hell, I think we should investigate Batboy. The Weekly World News swears he's real....

[paulthompson]

7. That's too glib

WorldNetDaily is a joke, but Paul Sperry, who wrote this article, has been doing some good reporting there (God knows why he writes for that rag). If this is true, it will break into better newspapers. Then you won't be able to dismiss it with a batboy joke.

[MercutioATC]

8. Welllll.....

"If this is true, it will break into better newspapers"

"IF" is the operative word, here. My bet is that we never see this again.

[medienanalyse]

9. would you consider the WashPost to be mainstream enough?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A60651-2004Apr8?language=printer

and some days ago there were dementis by the White house, but they silenced that a bit. In fact the Edmonds story can transport two interpretations (at least)

a) still the official one ( we did not connect the dots) and

b) they try to tell us it was Al-Qaida, but by pointing on the Arabs in flight schools (who are not denied by anybody) NOTHING is explained.

Taking a) as the prime version (for sure) the MAINSTREAM can position itself as being very critic, very reliable ( punch the secret services, punch the bureaucracy and so on) and go on with lying about the perpetrators of 9/11.

REMEMBER: it was not Saudis training on flight schools
- who kept the fighters stand down
- who made Bush read goat stories in Sarasota
- who kept Rumsfeld sitting on his hands
- who led the AAL77 miraculously into the reinforced wedge of the Pentagon
- who let the Pentagon personel train exactly that situation amd so on.

Again: they have NO PROOF for any Muslim involvement, for the 19 hijackers. No evidence at all. Mzoudi and Motassadeq must be let free because of the lack of evidence. The Bushist story stands in NO COURT:

[Woody Box]

10. Sibel Edmonds reacts to Rice's testimony

today, on INN

http://www.radiofreeamerica.tv

includes a brandnew interview with ex-FBI Translator Sibel
Edmonds, about her reaction on the testimony of
Condoleeza Rice.

Furthermore quotes from Kyle Hence (911 Citizen's
Watch) and 9/11 Widow April Gallop of Woodbridge, Va.
"There was a failure to mention that mistakes were
made. I didn't hear that."

Plus an Interview with ex-Pentagon Whistleblower
Daniel Ellsberg and two correspondents from Iraq about
the latest crisis:
Dan Murphy (CSM) and Stephen Funk.

Tune in at 6 pm EST at FreeSpeech TV (Network Channel
9415) or live-stream http://www.mnn.org/stream/ch57.ram

[DulceDecorum]

11. It went mainstream the night Condi testified

When you see something being lampooned by
Jon Stewart of The Daily Show on COMEDY CENTRAL!!!!!
you KNOW you have hit the motherlode.

He was BRUTAL.
They are still talking about it over in GD.

[homelandpunk]

12. Sibel Edmonds ACTUALLY got mentioned on NPR Diane Rheem show today

Don't know the guests but they discussed how Edmonds was a big story in Europe and UK but in US it is not heard about yet. I could not believe this was being discussed on NPR. It was still kind of aggravating cuz they were doing more reporting on how it is a story elsewhere, rather than reportinng in detail what her story is ABOUT. And the ususal "it is only read about on the internet here in the states" so we should be very skeptical about her veracity. But it was amazing to hear it on NPR. Maybe it means it is going to go mainstream soon.

[paulthompson]

13. Village Voice picks it up

I'm glad to see the Village Voice today mentions Sarshar:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0415/mondo10.php

(Sibel Edmonds) subsequently told the commission that the FBI had information that an attack using airplanes was being planned before September 11. "Some of our group has met several times with Edmonds, and from what we can tell, we think her claims are extremely credible," Lori van Auken, one of the leaders of the Jersey Girls, told The Voice. "So much so that some of our group hand walked her in to testify before the 9-11 commissioners."

They are also eager to find out more about the unconfirmed story of a second FBI linguist, Behrooz Sarshar, who claims he translated for an FBI informant with information on a supposed Al Qaeda plot to attack the U.S. with planes back in April 2001. "Some of the group have also met with Sarshar," said van Auken. "His claims seem to back up what Edmonds is saying."

...

A second FBI whistle-blower case involves another former FBI translator, Behrooz Sarshar, who left the agency in 2002. He supposedly translated an interview between an Iranian source, once a member of the Shah's secret police, with two FBI agents in which the informant told the agents he had heard in Afghanistan of an Al Qaeda plot to attack the U.S. in a suicide mission with planes. Details of the story were first reported by the WorldNetDaily website.

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The question is, will the 9/11 commissioners bring up Sibel Edmonds and/or Sarshar in questioning Mueller today?

[Generator]

14. Mainstream in Europe but not in US wonder why, but it was in Newsweek

"President Bush said they had no specific information about September 11 and that is accurate, but only because he said September 11." Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI Turkish-American translator, claiming that U.S. senior officials didn't know the exact date terrorists would strike, but they knew of Al Qaeda's plans to attack with aircraft.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4660387/

I've been following this since I first read about it here. This is the smoking gun and it's not been followed up on. Yahoo lists 3 pages of links, The Independent, The Guardian, Deutsche Welle,Toronto Star, Asia Times, Irish Examiner, The Age, the New Zealand Times. Only a blip in the Washington Times.

What is mainstream US media afraid of? Americans knowing the truth?
Any real questioning of our leaders? Witness the whitewash today with Mueller. Case closed.

[Dark]

15. Kick!

:kick:

[Generator]

16. Here's an article discussing why this hasn't been more mainstream

Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60651-2004Apr8.html

"The sensational story of Sibel Edmonds illuminates the world of difference between the international online media and the U.S. press.

Edmonds is a 33-year-old former FBI translator whose February allegations to the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks directly challenge the credibility of the commission's star witness, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice. In an April 2 interview with the Independent of London, Edmonds said she read intelligence reports from the summer of 2001 that al Qaeda operatives planned to fly hijacked airplanes into U.S. skyscrapers."

snip~
The documents that she says will corroborate her story have not yet surfaced and may not exist.

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How can she prove what she says if the one big chance we had, the 9/11 commission won't force the issue?