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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 12:32 PM
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Damascus: Jewish lobby behind Accountability Act
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=124

Syria said the signing Friday of the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act imposing sanctions on the country was the work of the "the partisans of Israel in the American Congress."

In the first official reaction by the state owned SANA news agency, Syria said the Jewish lobby in Washington "worked actively for the adoption of this law."

"These partisans of Israel want more than anything for Syria to end its support for the resistance of the Palestinian people," the statement added.

On Friday, President George W. Bush signed the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act, which calls for economic penalties to be imposed on Syria on various grounds.

The act accuses Syria of hosting Palestinian terrorist groups such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad and of seeking biological and chemical weapons. The law says Syria must withdraw its 20,000 troops from neighboring Lebanon and stop militants and weapons from crossing the border into Iraq.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:28 PM
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1. On Schedule
"I would hope that Congress would take a look at helping those who want to free Syria from the tyrannical rule of the Ba'ath Party".
- Richard Perle 4/17/03

Here's are some of the "Clean Break" PNAC policy initiatives:

Increase U.S. Congressional Support; ÒElectrify and find supportÓ of key U.S. congressional members:

Strategic cooperation with U.S. on missile defense
Gain more support among members of Congress
Harness support to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem
Identify Israel with Êthe U.S. and Òwestern valuesÓ
Utilize Cold War rhetoric to make IsraelÕs case
Stress Òbalance of powerÓ as sole test of legitimacy
Nurture alternatives to Arafat
Seek legitimization of Òhot pursuitÓ of Palestinian militants
Eliminate Òland for peaceÓ concept, use negotiations only as a forum for communicating resolve
Withhold U.S. aid to Palestinians
Legitimize 2000 year old historical land claim

Contain, Destabilize, and Roll Back Regional Challengers:

Challenge Arab countries as Òpolice statesÓ lacking in legitimacy.
Work with Turkey and Jordan to insert hostile Arab tribes into Syria.

Syria:
Publicly question Syrian legitimacy, assume treaties with Damascus are in bad faith
Contain Syria, strike select targets
Reject Òland for peaceÓ concept on the Golan Heights

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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:05 PM
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6. you got it, SOS
Every concerned person of conscience should read -- or at the very minimum be aware of -- A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm: a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies’ "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy.

Notice the right-wingnut style strategy which calls for "peace through strength" ...

:scared:

And we're supposed to be shivering in fear of the Arab world?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 01:28 AM
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16. These are the same people that wanted war with Iraq
and they are totally oblivious and uncaring about American and Iraqi loss of life. Perhaps they should be asked where their loyalties lie?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:31 PM
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2. Those pesky Jews...
When they aren't controlling the world or having meetings with their Illuminati and Mason friends, they also control the political process.
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 06:07 PM
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10. Not necessarily.
R/W link.

I'm kidding, mods, hey, I'm kidding, ya' know HA HA...no need to delete this post...

R/W link.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:32 PM
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3. Link?
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:45 PM
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4. My baaaaaaaaaaad
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:40 PM
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9. Thanks.
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 06:11 PM
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11. From the article:
"The White House has been frustrated by Syria's failure to prohibit the flow of jihadists into Iraq and for its continued support of Palestinian terrorist groups. But Syria has also provided valuable intelligence related to al-Qaida, officials have said, and therefore are keen to keep a channel of communication with Syria open."

Isn't this whole policy by expediency the way we got into the whole Iran/Iraq deal...to name but one?




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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 04:02 AM
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22. Omigod, it's the Jpost!!!!! How DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!
;-)
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 03:49 PM
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5. a slight alteration of that claim happens to be correct
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 03:51 PM by Aidoneus
Though the specific terms used in this JPost piece are misleading, another article on it has more accurate wording.. not sure what SANA's original phrases were.
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 06:15 PM
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12. Oh, darn
I was going to email GabysPoppy that the Jerusalem Post has been approved for use, but apparently it's still not "accurate" enough...thanks for letting me know!
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:57 PM
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13. I don't think you understand me
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 11:08 PM by Aidoneus
This JPost author uses the phrase "Jewish lobby", though not from any quote by the Syrian in reference. I don't know if that is exactly the original wording chosen by the figure the JPost author is referencing, but either way, specifically that is somewhat inaccurate, and at the least not specific enough. Another term that was used other reports (which is, in fact, in a direct quotation in this JPost piece) is that "partisans of Israel in the American Congress" (or "friends" in place of partisans) as being those behind it. Which, on the other hand, is indeed correct and accurate--New York Representative Elliot Engel (D) is one of the original sponsors of this, along with other American-Zionists in the Congress, and it is predominantly rightwing American-Zionist ideologues that are the major source of support for it and hostile and aggressive actions to match it (Daniel Pipes and his associates, for example).

I can't find mention of specifically this on SANA yet to confirm their original and exact wordings; it was the particular wordings in the article above that I referred to as inaccurate (or rather, too general and not specific enough, though in spirit correct enough as it stands), not necessarily the Jerusalem Post.

On the side, a note that may be of interest:--
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=21970
Concerning the overall nature of the post:
...
Do not put anything in your signature line that has any relation to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
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pistoff democrat Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:18 AM
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20. Oh, yes,
I had thought the Rachel Corrie line had to do with I/P and so I added one for Team Israel. It turns out I was wrong.

Thanks for the advice, much appreciated!

Hope you get a laugh at my new one ... has to be an icky laugh, tho, because that's our leader ... OMG!
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 04:06 AM
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23. Please clarify.
I had thought the Rachel Corrie line had to do with I/P and so I added one for Team Israel. It turns out I was wrong.


I would've thought so too. Could you point me to that poster?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:30 PM
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VT70 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:27 PM
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8. Blatant anti-semitism
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 05:43 PM by VT70
Shameful. They didn't have to say the "Jewish lobby."
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 11:23 PM
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14. I find it more shameful to have been put foward and passed at all
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 11:24 PM by Aidoneus
Why should the fact that this bill was supported most zealously by Israel's supporters be obscured?
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 12:55 AM
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15. The JPOst does not obscure this
It is in fact mentioned more than twice about the "the partisans of Israel in the American Congress." How is that "obscuring" it? However, the act is not all in Israel's interest, but in US interest, and to be a tool of the PResident to impose sanctions if and when necessary. It is noted also that:

"But Syria has also provided valuable intelligence related to al-Qaida, officials have said, and therefore are keen to keep a channel of communication with Syria open. "

So it is not so pro-Israeli interests after all.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:47 AM
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17. What term should JPost have used for the lobbying groups?
Just curious. I think 'Pro-Israeli govt lobby' would be much more accurate. But you do realise it was JPost and NOT the Syrian who used the term? If yr not, scroll up a bit and read Aidoneus' post. Anyway, much as I distrust and dislike JPost, I think it's a bit much to be accusing them of blatant anti-semitism for using the term 'Jewish lobby'


Violet...
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:13 AM
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18. Ooooops
I believe VT70 forgot the sarcasm tag.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:17 AM
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19. How so?
I must have missed the sarcasm dripping from that particular post. Seeing as you know, could you explain it?

Violet...
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VT70 Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 03:00 AM
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21. It was not sarcastic.
I did not see a JPost link in this thread, I just saw a dead link. Now I know that this is a JPost article, so I will retract my claim of anti-semitism, Violet.
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