God is stronger than Obama, say Israeli settlers defying bulldozers

[Scurrilous]

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"Israeli security forces demolished a tiny Jewish settlement outpost in the West Bank yesterday days after Binyamin Netanyahu, the Prime Minister, promised President Obama that he would take a tougher stance against the illegal communities built on Palestinian land.

Only hours after police left the prefab shacks and makeshift synagogue in ruins, however, settlers led by a nationalist member of the Israeli parliament moved back in and started rebuilding the settlement of Maoz Esther, an extension of the existing community of Kokhav Hashahar.

At their meeting in Washington earlier this week, Mr Obama called on Mr Netanyahu to dismantle scores of illegal “outposts” — effectively new suburbs of established settlements.

Mr Netanyahu reportedly agreed to the demands, but hours after the demolition he said that Jerusalem would remain the capital of Israel and would “never be divided."

Palestinians seeking to establish their own state in a future peace agreement want their capital to be in the city. Saeb Erekat, a Palestinian negotiator, said: “He’s saying the state of conflict will be eternal."

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[FiveGoodMen]

1. I'd like to see how strong he'd be if the US stopped backing Israel!

[Sebastian Doyle]

2. If "God" is a fan of NuttyYahoo or of settlements

Then sign me up for the Church of Satan. :evilfrown:

[PDJane]

3. Nothing like writing a fairy tale that your

religious adherents can use to justify stealing life, livelihood and land with.

[Sezu]

5. tell Hamas, Hezbollah and all them nutcases too. n/t

[PDJane]

9. Oh, hell........I have.

many times. But Hamas isn't actually doing as much as the Israelis are.....it's their land by inheritance, not myth.

[Sezu]

10. You may want to read ancient Greek and other texts regarding the Jews

and Jerusalem etc. It appears your knowledge is stunted prior to the Muslim occupations of various lands.

[PDJane]

11. I don't believe their myths either............

the fact is that the Israelis conquered that land from the cana'anites. The land has never been empty. The fossil record disproves the biblical account, and the Zionist movement is a studied myth from European Jewry, mostly Russian.

The Jews of Russia have no rights to the land of the middle east. Not inheritance, not religious. The land has been stolen, and the palestinians are the losers. If the US supported Palestine, they would still have their foot in the middle east, and the Palestinians would have the land that the Israelis are stealing.

[Sezu]

12. My my a true believer. n/t

[Ken Burch]

13. Dear G-d, Sezu, you're not REALLY going to defend the taking of the West Bank, are you?

That means you have no right to say you ever want peace. You can't be for morality AND conquest.

[Sezu]

16. The Israeli position is that ILLEGAL settlements will go

and certain settlements will remain as part of the final peace andf the UN position that Israel must have secure borders.. I support that ongoing reasonable position. I want a peace that is not a suicide peace. You should too.

[Violet_Crumble]

21. So which settlements are 'legal' and which are 'illegal'? Got a map?

I'd like to see a map of this 'ongoing reasonable position' and then you can explain why you think removing some settlements is a 'suicide peace'....

[Ken Burch]

23. None of those settlements can lead to securing Israel's borders.

Indeed, by pushing Israeli land claims into areas the Palestinians would naturally see as their own, the settlements actually make Israel less secure. To say nothing of the fact that they force IDF personnel to put their lives at risk defending people that most Israelis see as zealots, crazies and opportunists. A sensible Israeli government would deport them(probably to Argentina or somewhere).
The settlers are not doing the rest of the Israeli people any good at all by continuing to expand.

And I do favor a peace that isn't suicidal-to EITHER side. Asking for a Palestinian leadership of any sort to settle for a truncated state and tne preservation of most of the settlements is asking that leadership to discredit itself and probably to sign its own death warrant. Given how important avenging past humiliations has been in the Palestinian narrative, it should be seen as crucial to avoid humiliating any future Palestinian leadership. There's not going to be peace if the Israeli government insists on being able to claim "victory" and insists on forcing the Palestinian side to lose face.

[Journeyman]

4. Could be, but then, only one of them is providing cash support . . .

[RandomThoughts]

6. The mysteries of God are beyond anyone being able to claim God is on their side.

"...I know that the Lord is always on the side of the right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the Lord's side." - Abe Lincoln

I think this is a better statement. I think it is better then claiming to know the will of God. Each man can view ideas and thoughts of many people and decide if they believe it to be of good works and the better ways of God.

I believe God does not give us a fish, he teaches us to fish. He doesn't just tell us what we must do, but tries to teach us what his better ways are so we want to do those things. If we just 'did' things from orders, then how could he help us to better understand his beautiful ways.

Of coarse I get some things wrong also, so as with everyone. Another reason I think people should run the sentiments and thoughts by their heart, because I believe God gives us the heart to know what he thinks are the better ways. Not just what is better for us, but what is better for all his children.

[azurnoir]

7. So Obama asked that only the out posts be destroyed?

hopefully Obama doesn't roll over for this obvious charade, if he does his talk of a new relationship with ME countries will be rendered meaningless

[Donald Ian Rankin]

8. Maybe, but there's some pretty solid evidence Obama exists. N.T.

[Scurrilous]

14. Top Netanyahu Minister Uzi Landau Mingles with Settlers at Moskowitz Prize for Zionism Ceremony

Full title: Top Netanyahu Minister Uzi Landau Mingles with Fanatical Settlers at Moskowitz Prize for Zionism Ceremony

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Max Blumenthal reporting for Mondoweiss from the occupied Palestinian territories:

"JERUSALEM -- I just spent the evening in a small park overlooking occupied East Jerusalem at a gathering of the Israeli settlement movement's most prominent figures. The settlers were there to cheer three of their leaders who would be presented with the Irving Moskowitz Prize for Zionism. Few of the ultra-religious attendees seemed aware that Moskowitz is a California casino baron who exploits cheap Mexican labor to fund the proliferation of radical settlements in the West Bank. None seemed to care. The fulfillment of Greater Israel, an ethnically cleansed Jewish homeland, was paramount.

"This is the future of Israel," Kiryat Arba founder Noam Arnon flatly remarked to me. "We won't let the Arabs and their propaganda network CNN confuse anyone into thinking anything else."

The settlers were confident that the Israeli army, and by extension, the Israeli government, remains firmly on their side. "We're brothers, we're the same people," one young settler from Gush Etzion told me of his community's relationship with the IDF. "Of course they are on our side."

Israeli Minister of National Infrastructure Uzi Landau, a central cabinet figure, sat in the front row throughout the ceremony. Afterwards he told my reporting partner Jesse Rosenfeld that the land of Israel belong to Jews, therefore settlements could never be dismantled. Can anything Benjamin Netanyahu says to Barack Obama about the settlements be taken seriously? The dozens of settlers I spoke to certainly did not think so."

http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/05/top-netanyahu-minister-uzi-landau-mingles-with-fanatical-settlers-at-moskowitz-prize-for-zionism-cer.html

[IndianaGreen]

15. We are speaking of the same GAWD that didn't lift a finger to stop the Holocaust, right?

Where was this GAWD then?

[Sezu]

17. It is up to believers to figure that out one way or the other. I

don't believe in God but I damn well don't assume I can, as a mature adult, belittle others who do. You shouldn't either.

[IndianaGreen]

20. Auschwitz is proof there is no God

The alternative is that God was complicit in the Holocaust.

Take your pick.

[Sezu]

24. As I say, I might believe that but what you forget is

the concept of free will.

[LeftishBrit]

18. Sigh. The Religious Right of most religions have a lot in common!

[rateyes]

19. The Israeli settlers are thieves.

So, God says it's OK to break the 8th commandment? :shrug:

[bemildred]

22. So Obama is the enemy already?

He has to duke it out with the deity because these morons say so?