Arizona Parenting in the Gun World

[mikeb302000]

http://www.kpho.com/story/15372265/police-gilbert-dad-pulls-gun-as-teen-sons-fight">Channel 5 KPHO reports

Gilbert police have arrested a man they say promoted a fist fight between his two sons and a schoolmate and then pulled a gun and threatened a group of teens watching if they interfered.

Gabriel Alberto Conde was arrested and booked into the Maricopa County Jail. He is being held on $75,000 bond for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, threats and other charges.

I realize many of our gun friends will object to being swept up with this guy under the heading of "Gun World." But, can they really? I don't think so.

You see, the world is divided into two types of people, the ones who own guns and the ones who don't, that would be the Gun World and the non-Gun World. The ones who own guns are further divided into http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2011/04/venn-diagram-of-gun-owners.html">sub-categories, but they all share certain characteristics which are lacking in the non-gun group.

One of those traits is to pass on to the kids their love of guns, their ideas on gun safety, and with boy children, how to grow up to be men. Gabriel Alberto Conde is a typical example in that he is passing on to his sons what he himself has, his values, his notion of right and wrong and of course his ideas of what it means to be a man.

This is true of all the rest, in fact it transcends the boundaries of the Gun World. We all pass on to our children only what we ourselves have, good or bad.

What's your opinion? Although my dividing the world into two types of people is an over-simplification, don't you agree the gun owners both lawful and criminal have more in common with each other than either group has in common with the gun control folks? That makes sense doesn't it?

Please leave a comment.
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/">(cross posted at Mikeb302000)

[petronius]

1. No, I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense at all except as trite flamebait

Do you really have no sense of the vast diversity among people who own guns, and the vast diversity among those who don't? And even if this irrational claim was valid, what point do you think it makes? All I can see is a thinly-veiled attempt to promulgate a shallow stereotype of gun owners... :shrug:

(Edit: a wrong word, spelt write)

[mikeb302000]

5. How can it be stereotyping

when I clearly define the entire spectrum from violent criminals to law abiding and responsible gun owners. My point is not that you're all the same, but that you all have more in common with each other than you do with me, for example. It's the gun that binds you together.

[rl6214]

8. Utter BS

"you all have more in common with each other than you do with me, for example. It's the gun that binds you together."

Just because a criminal uses a gun in his endeavors and I use one for recreation does not mean we have ANYTHING in common. Are you being accidently or intentionally dishonest?

[Atypical Liberal]

14. Exactly. Hitler was a Christian.

Thus all Christians are like Hitler, right? Right?

This post is bigotry, pure and simple.

[mikeb302000]

28. did I say ALL gun owners are alike?

No, I didn't. Isn't what I actually do say objectionable enough for you, AL? Why must you exaggerate it and distort it before responding to it?

[Glassunion]

32. You DID indeed state that all gun owners are alike.

"You see, the world is divided into two types of people, the ones who own guns and the ones who don't, that would be the Gun World and the non-Gun World. The ones who own guns are further divided into sub-categories, but they all share certain characteristics which are lacking in the non-gun group."

Your statements are coming across quite bigoted.

[Atypical Liberal]

36. " the world is divided into two types of people, the ones who own guns and the ones who don't"

Then you go on to say that "Gabriel Alberto Conde is a typical example..."

The bigoted insinuation is quite plain.

Your backpedaling is not convincing.

[PavePusher]

18. I'm quite sure it's intentional.

He's being provacative so he can then claim victim status.

We've seen this before, but it most often comes from the North...

[mikeb302000]

27. my OPINION cannot be dishonest

it can only be different from yours.

[Common Sense Party]

38. Why no whining about vulgarity here, Mikey?

Let's have some consistency.

[PavePusher]

17. And now you add animism to all your other bullshit.

I'm shocked, shocked I say...

[Straw Man]

2. Try again.

What's your opinion? Although my dividing the world into two types of people is an over-simplification, don't you agree the gun owners both lawful and criminal have more in common with each other than either group has in common with the gun control folks? That makes sense doesn't it?

No, it doesn't. It makes no sense at all. It is reductio ad absurdum and a textbook example of mindless bigotry.

Have a nice day.

[Common Sense Party]

3. My opinion? My opinion is your editorials are steaming piles of cow dung.

Get back to me with Mr. Conde's arrest record, would you?

[mikeb302000]

29. why do you have to be so vulgar?

is civilly disagreeing beyong you?

[Common Sense Party]

35. Stop your broad-brush smears--which are 1000 times more "vulgar"

than anything I posted to you--and get the dad's arrest record, and I'll consider a tad more civility.

It takes two to tango, Mikey.

[PavePusher]

43. Accusing lawful gun owners of being equivalent to criminals is "civil"?

The fuck you say...

[rl6214]

4. Typical of the anti-gun zealot

Divide the issue and make it us vs them.

Unrec for disguising his blog as a link to see the "sub categories" instead of just listing them or putting a direct link to the info. Gotta get that blog traffic up some how.

DON'T CLICK ON THE LINK.

[ET Awful]

6. What a load of hogwash.

And I'm not even a huge "pro" gun guy. The entire post reeks of troll sweat.

[rl6214]

9. Well said.

This from someone that is not a regular in the Gun Forums. Sees it like it is.

[PavePusher]

19. Pee, more likely... n/t

[SteveM]

25. "...reeks of troll sweat." Great one. nt

[Angus86]

7. Kinda sounds like...

"There are two types of people, those who have white skin and the people who don't."

"Don't you agree that non-whites both lawful and criminal have more in common with each other than either group has in common with white people?"

The OP is pure bigotry, no different from the above examples of racism.

How about this one:

"There are two types of people, those who can argue their position intelligently, and those who resort to making unfounded assertions about the motives of other people who they don't agree with."

[ileus]

10. 2+2 = Beaver

This is the worst reach of the week...I expect better.


Where's Jpak's body count threads at least they're fun to debate.

[geckosfeet]

11. No. I don't agree. Lawful gun owners have more in common with lawful non-gun owners

than they do with criminal gun owners.

The more I think about this, the more I see the divisiveness and nonsense in your bullshit.

I almost see the logic in some of your posts. But this one strains reality to the breaking point. You don't really believe your rhetoric, do you?

On edit: "f***" the cross posts to your cheezy blog that I will never give a single click.

[rrneck]

12. Clumsy bigotry. nt

[Atypical Liberal]

13. "Gabriel Alberto Conde is a typical example" - Broad brush, much?

One of those traits is to pass on to the kids their love of guns, their ideas on gun safety, and with boy children, how to grow up to be men.

And with girl children, how to grow up to be women, thank you very much.

Gabriel Alberto Conde is a typical example in that he is passing on to his sons what he himself has, his values, his notion of right and wrong and of course his ideas of what it means to be a man.

There is nothing typical about teaching your children to have a fist fight while committing a crime.

I think you've sunk to a new low, Mike. Your insinuation that all gun owners are like Gabriel Alberto Conde is alert-worthy.

[mikeb302000]

30. every dad teaches his kid what he, the dad, has

if you're a violent bully, like this guy, that's what you teach your kid. If you're a gun fetishist, that's what you teach the kid.

Is that so difficult?

[Glassunion]

33. It is quite difficult when you make broad brushed comments stating that all

Gun owners are alike AND that gun owners share common traits with the criminal in your OP.

[Atypical Liberal]

34. But this is not "typical" behavior. Is THAT so difficult?

every dad teaches his kid what he, the dad, has if you're a violent bully, like this guy, that's what you teach your kid.

No doubt.

What is in doubt is whether this is typical gun-owner behavior, as you imply it was.

Pure bigotry. Your post should have been deleted.

[Fresh_Start]

15. We are gun owners who believe in gun control

because while we're sensible we know that there are too many jackasses in the world: and the jackass need to swagger means that a lot of them will have guns

[mikeb302000]

31. thank you Fresh Start

but I'm afraid most of the other commenters don't sound interested in anything except their precious gun rights, even at a terrible cost.

They sound exactly like the largely Republican conservative extremists who comment on my personal blog.

[Common Sense Party]

37. Wait--what? YOU have a blog???!?

:wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:

I had NO idea.

[friendly_iconoclast]

39. Bullshit. I just checked, and there *are* no comments on your personal blog. n/t

As usual with gun prohibitionists, you do not allow public comments.
That or the ones that you do get are rather "inconvenient" for you....

BTW, let's hear it for public proxies.

[gejohnston]

40. his older ones do

they are very fun to read.

[PavePusher]

44. He posts these screeds on another prominent Progressive website as well...

and gets as thouroughly eviscerated there, if not more so, than here.

[PavePusher]

16. "Gun owners are all criminals"?

Go. Fuck. Yourself.

[ileus]

22. Now you're catching on to mike think...

[PavePusher]

20. Wait a freakin' minute....

I thought all you anti's claim that we should put away our guns and settle our differences with good, wholesome, manly fisticuffs... Now you say we can't do that either?

What the flaming fuck is it that you want?

[Glassunion]

21. Stunned...

1. I realize many of our gun friends will object to being swept up with this guy under the heading of "Gun World." But, can they really? I don't think so.
I do think so... Way to make broad brush statements. I have a clue for you. YES we absolutely can. This guy was an absolute asshole. He promoted a fist fight between his two sons and a schoolmate. Then he pulled out a gun and threatened a group of teens watching if they interfered. This fucking guy is a piece of shit and for you to lump all gun owners into the same group is offensive, bigoted and down right childish.

2. You see, the world is divided into two types of people, the ones who own guns and the ones who don't, that would be the Gun World and the non-Gun World. The ones who own guns are further divided into sub-categories, but they all share certain characteristics which are lacking in the non-gun group.
First, the whole sub-category is offensive. Basically you are stating that people who choose not to own a firearm are MOSTLY happy-go-lucky folks that would never hurt a fly; and those who choose to own a firearm are MOSTLY criminal.
<from your link>

A = criminal gun owners
B = law-abiding gunowners
AUB =all of the in-between guys, including but not limited to the following.

1. anyone who has ever violated a gun-law but has never been convicted of a felony.
2. anyone who abuses his wife or children in any way but has never been convicted of it.
3. anyone who is addicted to drugs and/or alcohol but has not yet been disqualified.
4. anyone who has ever dropped a gun or caused a negligent discharge.
5. anyone who has become elderly or otherwise physically incapacitated.

I realize there are others, please feel free to mention them in the comments. And I apologize for the disproportionate diagram. The AUB section should be much, much larger.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.

I'm sure you can back up you assertion with real data, not something that you pulled out of thin air and posted on your blog... right?

Let me get back to the real bigotry in that last quote... "The ones who own guns are further divided into sub-categories, but they all share certain characteristics which are lacking in the non-gun group."

Are you honestly saying that those who own guns(there are several of us here on DU) all share characteristics with this criminal that those who don't own guns fail to share? If so I would love to know how you came to that conclusion. Otherwise I will label the comment as unsubstantiated, broad brushed and bigoted.

Although my dividing the world into two types of people is an over-simplification, don't you agree the gun owners both lawful and criminal have more in common with each other than either group has in common with the gun control folks?
Do you understand how bigoted your statement is? It is not simply and over-simplification, it is a flat out bold faced bigoted statement. I'll give you an example, using your own words to perhaps shine some light on your statements.

Although my dividing the world into two types of people is an over-simplification, don't you agree the African Americans both lawful and criminal have more in common with each other than either group has in common with those of European descent?

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.

[spin]

23. You could divide the world into two groups, those who own golf clubs ...

and those who don't.

The are 80 million gun owners in this nation and they are a very diverse group.

You are right when you say that "my dividing the world into two types of people is an over-simplification."

[SteveM]

24. Modern Manicheanism at its best...

"You see, the world is divided into two types of people, the ones who own guns and the ones who don't...

"One of those traits is to pass on to the kids their love of guns, their ideas on gun safety, and with boy children, how to grow up to be men. Gabriel Alberto Conde is a typical example in that he is passing on to his sons what he himself has, his values, his notion of right and wrong and of course his ideas of what it means to be a man."

You are deeply prejudiced, and use the most sprawling stereotypes.

I don't know why you as "What's your opinion?" or state "Please leave a comment."

[AtheistCrusader]

26. "5. anyone who has become elderly or otherwise physically incapacitated. "

Nice venn diagram.

[Remmah2]

41. My daughter has taken offense to the sexist inferences in the text.

"and with boy children, how to grow up to be men"

She's a senior and captain of the high school rifle team and thinks the article was written by an immature little boy.

:rofl:

[jmg257]

42. The world is divided into 2 types of people...those who write expositions of their political beliefs

And those who don't. Wouldn't you agree that all those who do write personal political expositions like books and blogs have more in common with each other then they do with the other group?

Hey...Hitler wrote political expositions all the time! You write political expositions all the time!

You keep great company. Wonder what you'd pass on to your kids...a dysfunctional relationship? Ability to over-simplify things? Ridiculous rigidness? Unfound hatred? Racism? A pension for extermination? Blaming of others for your mistakes? Pension for ridicule? Governed by dualities?

A Chemical imbalance in the brain??

That...Or such simplistic asinine, insulting bullshit does NOT really make sense, does it?