Knives in the News

[RoeBear]

11,000 illegal knives seized in Toronto

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/toronto/story.html?id=58776eca-6385-4b64-98e6-080348949a41

Where have I heard this before?

"These knives have only one purpose,'' Det. Steve Molyneaux said Friday - that purpose being to harm people. "


And this makes them more dangerous...how?

"The knives operate on centrifugal force, which means they can be snapped open with a flick of the wrist."

Must be some kind of Canadian discrimination against people with strength in just one arm.

[RC]

1. Gee wiz then..

Then that would make knives with fixed blades more dangerous. Those sharp blades are exposed all the time. Just think of what they can do to your pockets... And to you if you had one in your front pants pocket and sat down.

[Baclava]

2. 1st rule of combat

Never take a knife to a gunfight

Especially in a country where guns are illegal...

"The find came amid concerns of violence in the wake of three deadly shootings earlier this week in Toronto. The incidents left two men dead and four others injured, one of them seriously."

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

3. I had to read the article

to be sure this wasn't a joke. "These knives have only one purpose"...ya to cut things. It's up to the user what they cut.

It has finally happened. Police have cracked down on someone for pocket knives. I would have expected it to happen in the US first though.

Since this guy had so many knives, will they call him a Blade Runner?

[CO Liberal]

4. I Read The Article, Too

The knives operate on centrifugal force, which means they can be snapped open with a flick of the wrist. Molyneaux said he thinks ''a lot of people are under the misconception that just because it folds over, it's a legitimate weapon and you can have that knife.''

He clarified that the knives seized are different from jack knives, also known as Swiss Army knives, that require someone to use two hands to open them.

Police displayed their find to reporters at a news conference and demonstrated how the knives are opened. The knives were so sharp that Molyneaux even nicked himself in the process.

These ain't yer garden-variety pocket knife - these are lethal weapons design to inflict injury, and as such SHOULD be banned, IMHO.

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

5. I have a knife in my pocket

I can open my pocket knife with my thumb, with one hand. Should mine be illegal too?

Molyneaux said he thinks ''a lot of people are under the misconception that just because it folds over, it's a legitimate weapon and you can have that knife.''

So could we conclude that these knives are folders, assume they are of legal length and are being targetted because someone thinks they are too easy to open?

Now there will be standards on the amount of force that has to be applied to the blade to open it.

BTW, my baseball bat could be termed a "lethal weapon design to inflict injury". It was designed to hit balls.

[Dolomite]

10. "It was designed to hit balls."

OUCH!
;)

Actually, the Milwaukee Parks System is creating a list of “banned” bats!

There are apparently softball bats that are too dangerous to be used in league play. You may have seen the ads on ESPN2 for these bats that are supposed to add 100 feet to any hit – well apparently someone got hit on the wrist with a softball last year, and the guy who hit the ball had bought one of these “super bats” so it was clearly time for the city government to step in and take decisive action.

For the safety and enjoyment of all, the Milwaukee Parks System is creating a list of banned bats that identifies them by name. I don’t know what’s going to happen if you use a “banned” bat on one of our city diamonds – but I’m sure it will be ugly.

(One thing that they’ll be learning soon is that creating a list of banned bats “by name” will be about as effective the creation of a list of banned guns “by name” was in the soon-to-sunset Assault Weapons Ban)

[FatSlob]

11. Yup, let's remove another self-defense tool.

Great idea.

[RoeBear]

13. He must have been stunned that...

...a knife, of all things, would have a sharp edge.

"The knives were so sharp that Molyneaux even nicked himself in the process."

Co,
Tell me your kidding about you thinking that these knives should be banned. Sarcasm right?
RoeBear

[CO Liberal]

14. Believe It Or Not, RoeBear.....

...there are thoughtful, intelligent, logical people in this world (such as myself) who disagree with you.

[RoeBear]

15. What are we disagreeing with?

Please tell me.

[CO Liberal]

17. From Your Post #13

Co,

Tell me your kidding about you thinking that these knives should be banned. Sarcasm right?

RoeBear

That certainly looks like an area of disagreement to ME, RoeBear.....

[RoeBear]

18. I have no idea which of these...

...knives can be opened with one hand.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=folding+knife&btnG=Google+Search

I also have no idea why that , in itself, would bother me.

Me to bad guy: "You're not coming at me with one of those one handed opening knives are you?"

Bad guy: "No it's a regular old folding knife"

Me: "Whew! I thought I was going to be in trouble there for a second."

[MrBenchley]

19. So to sum up, roe...

you have no idea what the piece is talking about, but you want to bitch because because people in Canada do...and have made some knives (of the sort that were seized) illegal.

[RoeBear]

20. Explain it to me...

...in detail.

Let me know why Joe Uprightcitizen is a danger to society with a knife in his pocket that can be operated with one hand.
While Bob Criminal can be carrying a equally sized and equally sharpened knife that requires two hands to open. What public good is being served here?

Maybe Joe had a stroke and only has strength in one arm.

[Name removed]

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[RoeBear]

22. They certainly won't be if...

...Canada has their way. But tell me how you think it will make a dent in crime. (This should be entertaining)

[MrBenchley]

23. Canada has its way

and those knives are illegal...

fantasies about stroke victims aside.

[CO Liberal]

24. And They Don't Have The NRA

Lucky Canadians.......

[MrBenchley]

25. And only a fraction of the resulting violence

despite the dishonest attempts here from time to time to make it seem otherwise.

[FeebMaster]

26. You really can drag the NRA into

any conversation can't you?

[CO Liberal]

27. They Fit Right In

[FeebMaster]

28. Right. (nt)

[slackmaster]

32. Oh yes they do have the NRA

Membership is open to anyone in the world.

https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp

[beevul]

37. They also have ...

"Recreational Firearms Community of Saskatchewan."


"Who Are We? The RFC(Sask)"

"The Recreational Firearms Community of Saskatchewan (RFC(Sask)) is a loose-knit coalition of organizations that meet several times a year and plan various strategies to fight Bill C-68, the Firearms Act. This coalition includes the following organizations as well as other groups from time to time:




Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation
Saskatchewan Trappers Association
Saskatoon Police Service
Saskatchewan Federation of Police Officers
Saskatchewan Assoc. of Rural Municipalities
Saskatchewan Gun Collectors Association
Saskatchewan Responsible Firearms Owners
Saskatchewan Provincial Rifle Association
Law-abiding Unregistered Firearms Association
National Firearms Association
Saskatchewan Handgun Association
Saskatchewan Association of Firearms Education
Saskatchewan Assoc. of Conservation Officers
Saskatchewan Outfitters Association
Saskatchewan Provincial Small Bore Association
Saskatchewan Sporting Clays Association
L.U.F.A."


http://www.rfcsask.ca

The page is mostly not updated, but part of it was in JAN.

[slackmaster]

38. And more radical than the NRA has ever been

The Canadian Unregistered Firearm Owners Association - http://www.cufoa.ca/accueilenglish.html - Openly calling for people to commit civil disobedience.

[CO Liberal]

39. Oh, Yeah....Gun Owners Are Law-Abiding Citizens......

Where have I heard THAT particular pantload before?

(Please note this is the first time I've had occasion to use MrBenchley's trademark response. And it's so appropriate.....)

[FeebMaster]

40. Because we all know

everyone who breaks the law, any law, is an asshole.

[slackmaster]

42. I've never said all gun owners were law-abiding

But there's a BIG difference between openly disobeying a law that you honestly believe to be unjust, vs. living a life of crime.

[CO Liberal]

43. Time and Time Again......

...various pro-gunners on this board have said that we dson't have to fear "law-abiding" gun owners. I've always maintained that anyone with a gun is capable of inflicting injury or death on others.

Any gun owner (or group of owners) who deliberately set out to disobey the law are by definition no longer "law-abiding citizens."

[slackmaster]

45. I fully agree with every word of your post

Nice to have that happen once in a while.

[RoeBear]

46. And...

...anyone with a penis is capable of rape. What's your point?

[Withergyld]

41. Wouldn't it be NKA???

The National Knife Association??

[Columbia]

16. Next up - The AKB

Be wary of the evil, black ASSAULT KNIVES! Don't let these ultra sharp, killer knives back on the streets! Their only purpose is to kill as many people as fast as you can flick your wrist! No ammunition necessary! What reasonable person NEEDS a knife that can cut through flesh? Ban them all! It's for the children!

/sarcasm

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

6. I've got a regular, run of the mill

Buck knife. Brass and wood handle ~5" pocket knife. The handle is heavy enough that if I grasp the back of the blade I can open it with just a flick. I guess that knife has only one purpose, thankfully for the 15+ years that I've owned it, it has only opened boxes, cut tape, whittled wood etc.

[slackmaster]

7. I retired my Buck 110 and replaced it with a 110T

Titanium handle, same blade as the traditional wood-and-brass 110. It weighs about half as much.

I bought it at the Buck factory sale in December. It cost me $20.

Here in California it's legal to carry a folding knife concealed, and there's no limit on blade length. As long as it doesn't fit the state's definition of "switchblade knife" it's legal here.

[Dolomite]

8. I was at a plastic packaging company outside of Toronto a few years back

working a service call on a piece of manufacturing equipment my company made. I cracked open my tool box to get started and the Canadian electrician I was working with became alarmed at the little Buck 110 folder that was clipped to one of the pallets in my tool box. “Do me a favor and hide that thing before someone confiscates it!” he said.

Not only were “edged devices” totally banned at this particular plant (which is a well known North American Fortune 500 company), every factory employee had to go through special training and sign a legal document stating that they would not bring knives into the plant.

Now, this is a plant where they made plastic sheets to turn into plastic bags – other than the hundreds of time each day you’d need to cut something in the performance of your normal duties – why would anyone “need” a knife, right?

So the company relinquished a little bit and permitted them to use those little Red Devil putty blades (which worked for shit of course until every worker caught on to the fact that once you heat tempered the steel a little, stoned the blade to scalpel sharpness, and wrapped the handle with some hockey stick tape – you could have a somewhat decent cutting tool). Every one carried an insanely sharp Red Devil putty blade in sheath on their belts – but I was potentially in danger of embarrassing myself and my company because I had a 2” bladed folding knife.

I asked why the plant had banned knives, and the answer as you can probably guess, was that someone had apparently accidentally cut themselves while using one.


(I was tempted to show the guy the Spyderco Civilian I had clipped under my belt inside my waistband – but I’m sure he would’ve fainted)

[slackmaster]

9. In high school I wore my Buck 110 on my belt every day

There was no rule against it, and nobody ever bothered me about it. Nor did anyone ever bother me much at all.

[FatSlob]

12. What authoritarians.

[Romulus]

29. NY: After Bat attack, Girl Killed dad

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/crime/nyc-nykill083700170mar08,0,6634168.story?coll=nyc-manheadlines-crime

A teenager stabbed her father to death with a kitchen knife Saturday after the enraged man began beating her with a baseball bat in the family's Brooklyn apartment during an argument about her new boyfriend, police said yesterday.

The girl, 17, will not be charged with a crime, said a spokesman for Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes, because she killed her father in self-defense.

The girl, who was not identified by police or family, stabbed her father in the chest at approximately 3 p.m. Saturday. He was taken to Coney Island Hospital, where he died.

The father, 50, had been arrested three times for domestic abuse, and the police had filed 23 domestic incident reports from the Coney Island apartment since 1996. The most recent was a 911 call made last year on Aug. 7.

*snip/more*

Knieves seem to "facilitate" murder, especially if a 17 y/o girl could use one to kill a 50 y/o man. Where is the knife control clamor?

[Romulus]

30. AL: Girl Allegedly Kills Uncle in Self Defense

http://www.nbc13.com/news/2906135/detail.html

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- A man died from a stab wound over the weekend, allegedly at the hands of his young nieces. Lorenzo Robinson, 35, was fatally stabbed Saturday at the family home.

The girls' mother said one of her daughters killed their uncle after he came home in a drunken rage and began threatening and assaulting the girls.

*snip*

The three sisters said they knew they had to get out of the house. They ran into the front yard, but their uncle followed. The girls said their uncle then grabbed the youngest girl and began choking her. That's when the 14-year-old girl knew she had to do something to save her sister's life, their mother said.

"She had a knife, and she cut him," Robinson said. "I don't know what happened next. It ended up a disaster."

*snip/more*

Another example of an assault knife being used to facilitate a murder. Good thing there wasn't a firearm around, or someone could have been killed. Oh, wait, someone was killed.:eyes:

[MrBenchley]

31. Well, that is about as low as it gets

Here's a member of the RKBA crowd reduced to complaining that somebody didn't get shot to death, but only stabbed to death....

Wow. Guess that's more of that RKBA "logic" that I'm so glad I haven't got.

[Stoker]

33. Actually...

The logic here is that people will kill people with whatever implements are at hand, when necessary.

This is the logic that anti-gun people refuse to address. Anti-gun folks suffer from the dillusion that violence would go away if guns went away. This is a dillusion for two reasons. First, it is probably impossible to rid the world of all guns (or whatever technology will ultimately replace them). Second, so long as there are people with the desire to use force to get what they want, there will be violence.

Stoker

[MrBenchley]

34. RKBA "logic" or whatever it is....

No wonder youu guys think Mary Rosh is a scientist...

[slackmaster]

35. Straw Man

n/t

[jimsteuben]

48. embrace knife control

I don't mean all knives, just those that are particularly suited for murder. Assault knives, for example. You know the kind. Evil, military-style knives that come in camo. Also, knives that are too big. Who really needs a knife longer than six inches anyway? Also, knives that are too small as these are too concealable. Also, machetes since those are the weapon of choice of genocidal maniacs. And ban daggers, also, since those are the weapon of choice of assassins. And ...well, you get the picture. And don't tell me about your freedom to own knives. You're prolly just some small-penis, phallic-obsessed lunatic. You're despicable. How I hate you, you pantload.

[Scout]

36. The logic here is that people will kill people with whatever implements ar

and when the implement is a gun it is SO EASY AND QUICK to kill ... you don't have time to cool down if in a rage, your niece can't stab you in self-defense if you are shooting her from a distance....

[jimsteuben]

44. genocide in Rwanda

Committed with machetes.

In 1994 Rwanda saw the most concentrated act of genocide in human history: "the dead of Rwanda accumulated at nearly three times the rate of Jewish dead during the Holocaust." (Philip Gourevitch, We Wish to Inform You That Tomorrow We Will Be Killed With Our Families: Stories from Rwanda , p. 3.) (Gérard Prunier provides an even higher estimate: "the daily killing rate was at least five times that of the Nazi death camps." Prunier, The Rwanda Crisis: History of a Genocide , p. 261.) By the end of April, according to Human Rights Watch, "the worst massacres had finished ... perhaps half of the Tutsi population of Rwanda" had been murdered.

According to Gérard Prunier, "Because of the chaotic nature of the genocide, the total number of people killed has never been systematically assessed, but most experts believe the total was around 800,000 people."

Ban knives and you will solve the problem of human evil, right?

:nopity:

[Stoker]

47. Great sig!

Great signature line, Jim:

"Your opinion about a source is not rebuttal of what the source says."

And great photo, too.

Stoker

[Scout]

49. you talking to me?

"Ban knives and you will solve the problem of human evil, right?"

I never said ban anything...

[jimsteuben]

50. "you're the only one in the room."

"You talkin to me? You talkin to me? You talkin to me? Then who the hell else are you talkin to? You talkin' to me? Well I'm the only one here. Who do you think you're talking to? Oh yeah? Huh? Okay."

Ka-BLAM!