Gun-etching measure passes NY Assembly

[RamboLiberal]

Assembly Democrats, including Addie J. Russell, have won the latest gun-control battle in Albany. But state Republicans, such as Assemblyman Kenneth D. Blankenbush, look certain to win the war.

The Assembly voted 84-55 on Tuesday — Mrs. Russell was one of the 84, and Mr. Blankenbush was one of the 55 — to approve a measure that would require semiautomatic pistols sold in the state to be able to etch a unique code onto bullet casings when the bullet is fired. Police investigating crimes could use the code to help trace gun ownership.

The bill, though, is a long shot in the GOP-controlled Senate.

That's because Republicans in the state charge that the microstamping technology is easily skirted and ineffective, and it would be costly to gun manufacturers and buyers. Democrats, on the other hand, say it will help solve crimes by making it easier to track spent casings to owners.

http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20110527/NEWS03/305279950

Glad this stupid, stupid, feel good law will fail this time.

[MicaelS]

1. Microstamping bills are stupid....

All a criminal would have to do is remove the firing pin or striker and replace it, or simply grind it down.

[X_Digger]

2. Not even grind.. emery cloth or fingernail file.. n/t

[Bold Lib]

3. So would having sand paper on hand be considered "constructive possession"?

[onehandle]

4. The Republicans in the NY Senate have such a fantastic reputation.

They'll do the right thing.

[Katya Mullethov]

5. Pardon me

Would you like to see my etchings ?

[PavePusher]

6. If it will help so much with criminal investigations...

why are the cops exempt?

Are they afraid of being caught?

[sailor65]

7. NY has some truly idiotic politicians...

Google "NY barrel shroud" sometime.

And heck you won't need the emery board or sandpaper, 50-100 rounds will likely render the die unserviceable anyway.

[Logical]

8. If this law passed in my state I would get my gun altered to remove the stamping. I do not....

I do not want my casings from the firing range to be collected with my stamp on them.

[spin]

9. It's rare when I fire 50 rounds through a semiauto that I find more than 48 of the brass ...

no matter how hard I look.

If you reload ammo, that is a real pain in the ass.

When I shoot on an indoor range any brass that flies forward of the firing line belongs to the range unless the firing line is empty and you can convince the range master to allow you to retrieve your brass. It is often difficult to find your own brass when it lands behind the firing line. I used to mark my brass with a magic marker to make it easier to find. I always tried to segregate my fired brass so that I could tell how many times I had reloaded each box. It makes a difference on accuracy because a brass casing that has been fired 10 or more times will not hold the projectile as tightly as a brass case that has been fired only once or twice.

When I was shooting a revolver, I didn't have the same problem and I sometimes reloaded 50 brass cases up to 25 times before the cases started to split. Obviously, the hotter the load was the shorter time the brass lasted. I rarely reloaded brass at magnum pressures more than five times.

Of course, microstamping ammo is worthless on a revolver as the revolver doesn't eject the brass to be recovered at a crime scene.

If mocrostamping ammo becomes law, the gun control maniacs will try to outlaw revolvers.

[ileus]

10. NY, CA, IL, three states I'd never live in.

[RSillsbee]

18. Not to be rude

But I wouldn't live in them if they had the best gun laws in the world. ( although I actually have lived in 2 of them)

[DonP]

11. Revolver = Microstamping loophole

Next step ban all wheelguns. They are obviously designed specifically to keep casings from falling into law enforcement hands.

[gravity556]

12. A quick stop at the local range to do a little brass scavenging

, hey presto! You've just added 30 gun owners to the investigation. Every case the same caliber and toss at least as many as 5 times as many cases as rounds actually fired...

And the police exemption would likely be for a similar reason. It would be a PR nighmare if cop's marked cases were found at a few scenes. Particularly once the public's misinformed trust was well entrenched in the technology.

[lawodevolution]

14. This is the reason why we have the 5th amendment. To try to avoid having innocent people go to

prison. In this case what if a criminal simply picks up one brass case from the range and drops it at the crime scene and he picks up his brass at the scene. Forcing someone to prepare evidence against themselves ahead of time is the reason why rights are easily violated in false democracies and fake republics around the world. The micro-stamping is a violation of the 5th and it would benefit us if this bill passed in NY so it can be struck down in court later.

[lawodevolution]

13. I have a question? What will stop a criminal from picking up the cases?

[Logical]

16. Nothing. They just hope he forgets I guess in the heat of the moment. n-t

[DissedByBush]

20. If you have a PS-90

The little bag underneath attaches to the ejector, not a piece of brass to find.

[Straw Man]

15. Microstamping is just COBIS on steroids.

http://troopers.ny.gov/faqs/firearms/CoBIS/

Ten years and $10 million, and it hasn't solved a single crime.

http://www.cbs6albany.com/video/c/1143371293/local-news/932990434001/wrgb-localnews-wrgb

But hey, let's try the same idea, except instead of matching those little grooves with a microscope, we'll have little ID numbers that will lead us right to Mister Perp. Unless, of course, he (a) used a revolver, (b) picked up his brass at the crime scene, (c) stole the gun he used, (d) scattered some random brass picked up at a gun range to muddy the trail, or (e) defaced the microstamp on his gun.

There are serious chain-of-custody issues that make microstamping virtually worthless as trial evidence. But it will make lawmakers feel useful and will harass legal gun owners, which to some people is a good thing.

[GreenStormCloud]

17. Already available online:

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19. Thinly veiled attempt at banning one catagory of firearms...

or the day dreamers, drama queens and world savers spewing the same'ol "if it only saves one life... it's worth it" clap-trap.

I'm sure that many of those that voted in favor of the bill are aware that manufacturers would be reluctant to produce NY compliant handguns...
net result, a de facto semi-auto ban.

Reason... I can practically guarantee, that if any manufacturer that did take the bold step of micro stamping their handguns, the resulting nation wide boycott of their products would be devastating and hardly worth taking the risk for one state.

Hell... there are gun owners that still boycott Ruger and Smith and Wesson for their foolish/misguided decisions.

[DissedByBush]

21. Two ultra high-tech means to skirt the law: