A short analysis on Joe Zamudio.

[PavePusher]

Despite all the wailing and gnashing of pet hyperboles by the anti-carry people, an actual expert on defensive use of firearms says that Joe Zamudio, the concealed carry Citizen who unfortunately arrived too late at the scene of the Giffords shooting in Tucson, did everything exactly right. Pertinent portion of GunTalk episode starts at 28:00, full interview starts at 24:55.

http://traffic.libsyn.com/guntalk/110515guntalkB.mp3

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[sharesunited]

1. Bully for Joe Zamudio. But Lochner and his gun and ammo made the armed samaritan irrelevant.

[DonP]

2. Who the fuck is Lochner?

[sharesunited]

4. Loughner. Whatever. Help me keep the armed maniacs straight.

[rl6214]

3. The fact that Zamudio was around the corner in a store

and not in the audience made it irrelevant.

[sharesunited]

6. Well if he was in the audience he stood a damned good chance of getting shot down too.

That's the absurdity of arming everyone.

It heightens the pressure to shoot first with the most ammo.

[rl6214]

8. "shot down too" by who?

Lochner, loughner? Can't be too concerned to have your names (facts) down can you?

Makes you and your post irrelevant.

[sharesunited]

10. Would you remember the name of the VA Tech shooter without looking it up?

Their names are not the point of the policy discussion.

[rl6214]

16. Cho? Of course I would and do.

[beevul]

28. Who ever proposed arming "everyone" shares?

Strawman much?

[slackmaster]

42. The real absurdity of "arming everyone" is that only anti-RKBA extremists mention it

:nuke:

[PavePusher]

5. Sorry, no fascists allowed here.

Bu-bye.

:hi:

[sharesunited]

7. A society which specifies that guns and ammo be limited to law enforcement is not fascism.

To suggest such a thing is to confess a delusion that you might just go to war with the government.

1) You're not going to war with the government.
2) You do not possess any such right.

[PavePusher]

9. Then you are ignorant of U.S. history...

and I can not help you.

Good day to you.

[sharesunited]

12. I know this: The Civil War rendered the 2nd Amendment entirely obsolete.

[eqfan592]

14. ..........

....ya know, every now and then somebody says something so nonsensical....so amazingly and jaw droppingly ignorant...that it literally causes blood to come shooting out of your eyes and nose as your brain attempts to cope with what it just processed....and this was almost one of those times.

[rl6214]

17. LOL

Couldn't have said it better.

:rofl:

[PavePusher]

18. A Glen Beck moment indeed.

[AtheistCrusader]

25. What the hell is that from?

[beevul]

30. Scanners? Just a guess.

Or it could be stills from the brady bunch meeting following Heller...

[PavePusher]

33. Bingo. n/t

[Straw Man]

23. Yeah, but only for a little while...

I know this: The Civil War rendered the 2nd Amendment entirely obsolete.

Then the failure of Radical Reconstruction and the subsequent rise of Jim Crow brought it back: "Sorry, folks, the war's over and we can't help you. You and the Klan will just have to shoot it out."

Isn't the Arbitrary & Simplistic Historical Event Significance Attribution game fun? Let's play some more.

[AtheistCrusader]

24. Tell that to the Korean business owners in LA, in 1992.

[gejohnston]

26. In what way?

I think we should do what Jefferson wanted. We should dismantle the empire and have a Swiss like military system.

[eqfan592]

11. Actually, pretty much everything about this post...

..is both factually and historically incorrect. You should have tried making one more point, then you'd have had a perfect hat-trick of bullshit. :P

[sharesunited]

13. Just in case yours get deleted

I am wrong, according to you, but without any reason stated.

[eqfan592]

15. Umm, this isn't a debate about some obscure..

...factoid tucked away out of common knowledge. This is basic US history here. So yeah, forgive me if I'm not rushing out to post links on it. Try using google, it's your friend.

[lawodevolution]

19. The supreme court has made everything you've ever posted irrelevant

Sorry but all of your attempts to talk us into copying nigeria's gun laws have gotten you no where

[sharesunited]

21. Plessey v. Ferguson. Until, that is, Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.

Enjoy it while it lasts, because it won't last long.

There's no way to justify it.

[eqfan592]

22. Nope, no way to justify it..

...except for, you know, all the ways we can and do regularly justify our rights here on this very board. Ya know, just because you ignore things doesn't mean they don't exist, shares. Might be a lesson there for you.

[gejohnston]

27. I fail to see the comparison

Brown was giving rights and equality that Plessey denied. You want the reverse.

[TheWraith]

41. That analogy is so fucked up I don't even know how to describe it.

If you seriously believe that a constitutionally correct ruling which you disagree with because it lets people own guns, is equivalent to a famously INcorrect ruling which encouraged people to own PEOPLE, shows your grotesque lack of perspective on the matter.

[Straw Man]

32. Still there, so here goes...

I am wrong, according to you, but without any reason stated.

There was no reason stated for your original claim. It's nothing more than "is not"/"is too" at this point.

[beevul]

29. A society Which specifies that guns and ammo be limited to law enforcement ...

A society which specifies that guns and ammo be limited to law enforcement, in spite of being CLEARLY and unequivocally restricted by law from doing so IS a facist state.

[DonP]

36. "Fascist State" sounds so harsh, accurate but harsh, how about just calling it ...

.... what Share's would really like, A Police State. A place where the police are the ultimate arbiters of the law based on an individual's interpretation of the law. You know, like Philadelphia and Chicago?

[spin]

40. Such a society as you suggest can rapidly become a police state...

It is quite possible that the reason the United States has the longest lasting written Constitution in the world is the Bill of Rights and in particular, the First and Second Amendment.

[lawodevolution]

20. This only shows that not enough law abiding citizens are carrying.

[MyrnaLoy]

31. you should

get a t-shirt with ole Joe on it! After all he stopped nothing AND he grabbed the wrong guy! That guy is a hero man!!! The man who stopped nothing!!

[PavePusher]

34. Well, you do know how to miss a point.

At least you're consistent....

[Hoyt]

35. The guy didn't have a shot and didn't shoot. You and Zamudio consider that doing "right?"

Hate to see what you and Z would consider "wrong."

[oneshooter]

37. You really should read what you post, before posting. n/t

[PavePusher]

39. Cognitive difficulties are the beam in his eye. n/t

[DWC]

38. Joe Zamudio

ran into the gunfire, not away from it. He was armed, prepared, and willing to defend the victims at the risk of his own life.

His actions demonstrate the personal characteristics heroes are made of.

Semper Fi,