Just picking up some groceries at Whole Foods.

[Tim01]

A nice safe place like this, what could possibly go wrong?

Surveillance video.

http://www.wfaa.com/video/raw/Surveillance-video--83000797.html

[wial]

1. if you call a predatory corporation run by a far right wing CEO nice,

then sure.

[NewMoonTherian]

35. Have you ever had their coconuts?

Nobody else carries really fresh ones! They also have the best cheese selection in town.

[onehandle]

2. What does this have to do with guns? nt

[avaistheone1]

3. The woman was wearing a $90,000 diamond ring.

Given how bad times are for so many I am not surprised that someone might make an attempt to steal the ring.

I am not saying what these criminals did was right. However, under certain circumstances when people have no hope, no future, and they are desperate and hungry, some people will do very bad things. These guys look like professional criminals.

[MUAD_DIB]

7. What does that matter? It could have been a $200 dollar ring.

And as to the whole "people without hope" BS, how do you know?

These guys (driver and mugger) could just be a couple pieces of shit that get off on robbing from the weak and unsuspecting.


Granted, wearing a $90k rock on your finger, is dumb anywhere.

[avaistheone1]

10. It only matters

in that it increases the chances that someone may prey on you if they have got nothing and you look like your wearing a Fort Knox's worth of jewelry. That's all.

[MUAD_DIB]

14. From a driveby?? I find that doubtful.

The problem is with the predators. If they want something and you are by yourself they will take what they want; whether they want your Ipod, Whole Foods purchase or to rape you.

I don't believe that the victim was in the wrong. She could be wearing the crown jewels and would have the right to do it.

[avaistheone1]

15. Not saying she doesn't have the right to wear it...

Just saying if you wearing/displaying Fort Knox on your person, don't be a surprised if a criminal predator invites themselves to the party at your expense - especially if you are woman and by yourself. What an invitation to a criminal in these times.

Why bother someone else who has got nothing of value to steal ----> go the woman dressed as Fort Knox.


Case in point:
I believe it was Al Capone who was asked why he stole from banks, and replied "that is wear the money is."

[MUAD_DIB]

17. Well, I hope that the predators are caught.

Now that woman will be screwed up for a while. She might not wear jewelry ever again. She may also vote for the republican "tough on crime" candidate next time *around.

*She may already vote (R), but we may never know...just like we will never know if he mugger attacked her because she was by herself of he saw her 90k ring from 20 feet away.

[avaistheone1]

18. I hope she is okay too.

[PavePusher]

26. You seem to be saying it was her fault.

That she was "asking for it".

I do hope I'm wrong, because I find that line of response to crime disgusting.

[GreenStormCloud]

28. Do you lock the doors to your house?

A person should take reasonable precautions, and they are foolish if they don't. What would you say to a person flashing a $90,000 roll of cash every time they shopped?

[givemebackmycountry]

32. That was Willie Sutton

BUT, I get your point.

[AtheistCrusader]

36. Not that this really changes anything but

The extreme value of the ring suggests this victim was specifically targetted. That or these were some exceptionally lucky thieves.

[Euromutt]

34. I doubt the robbers knew its value when they made their move

I mean, I'm no expert on jewelry, but I sincerely doubt you can conduct an expert valuation of a ring at 30 feet from a moving vehicle in a parking lot at night.

It seems more plausible to me that they picked the Whole Foods parking lot because the customers are typically comparatively affluent (it's not known as "Whole Paycheck" for nothing), and picked this woman because she was displaying a lack of situational awareness and thus made an easy target.

[GreenStormCloud]

38. Alternate possibility: She was spotted and targeted while inside the store.

Then the thieves set up the attack for when she exited the store. They may not have know that it was a $90K ring, but they knew enough to know it was worth stealing.

[tburnsten]

43. Yeah, she definitely deserved it

Old skank running around with nice things.

[GreenStormCloud]

44. Does a person who doesn't lock their door deserve to be burgled?

Would a person who flashed a $50K roll of bills everytime he shops deserve to be robbed?

In each case, the answer is, "No.", but it would also be true that they had been exceptionally careless. The world is a dangerous place, and reasonable people take reasonable precautions.

[Sanity Claws]

4. $90K ring?

Who wears a $90K ring?
I'm wondering if it's a faked robbery to get insurance money.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

6. Bingo!

What are the odds?

[avaistheone1]

8. It doesn't sound like it.

This account indicates this woman got pretty beaten up. Here's a link that includes the news story not just the video.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Surveillance-video-shows-theft-of-90000-ring-82998462.html

[ellenfl]

9. considering her reaction, looks faked to me. eom

[avaistheone1]

11. You must be kidding.

Her face is badly bruised and a deep cut on her right eye is stitched up from the crime that occurred outside the Whole Foods Market at Preston Road and Forest Lane in North Dallas.

The video shows the young man throw the woman down behind her car.

"He took my head and started banging it on the asphalt," she added, "Just banging it!"

The woman said he ripped her necklace off and then noticed something else.

"He said 'Give me your ring, b***h!,'" she remembered. "At one point I said, 'Help me! Help me! Somebody help me.'"

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Surveillance-video-shows...

[ellenfl]

12. as i said, based on her reponse in the video . . . i had not yet read

the report. not that it couldn't still be faked. why did she get into her car afterwards instead of going back into the store?

ellen fl

[Sanity Claws]

22. She got into her car? Did she drive off?

I would have been screaming bloody murder and run in for help.

I didn't catch in the video that she got into her car. Was it on the video?

[GreenStormCloud]

30. No, she doesn't get into her car. N/T

[ellenfl]

37. i would have gone running back into the store, not walking

slowly to my car. at the very end, she gets up and walks back to the car door where she was attacked.

ellen fl

[MindPilot]

20. Who wears a $90K ring?

Someone who can afford to buy groceries at Whole Foods.

[burrfoot]

5. Wait, Tim; just wait. Now see here!

I don't appreciate you posting a video which suggests that even though I scrupulously avoid dangerous places, and even though neither I nor anyone I know has ever had any reason to carry a gun and we manage get along just fine every day without living our lives in fear and without being scared of the boogeymen and even though I just know that I can trust the generally good nature of people....even despite all of these things; I might be the victim of a violent attack.

It's screwing with my world view and making me doubt that my being a good person actually has anything to do with what a goblin wants to do to me.

Cease and desist, if you please.


(ok actually don't I was just kidding and please continue to post this kind of factual evidence that the ONLY people who will reliably be present and able to protect us is....well.....us.)

:evilgrin:

[11 Bravo]

13. Yeah, if that guy had a gun, he could have put a round in that bitch's ten ring ...

taken her stuff, and gone on quite contented.

(Just to be clear, I own 3 long guns and 3 hand guns, and have a VA concealed carry permit, but this post has nothing whatsoever to do with guns.)

[ThatPoetGuy]

16. Oh, if only she'd had a gun!

She could have started firing in the parking lot, and everything would have been FABULOUS.

[Sanity Claws]

21. A gun would not have helped her; a knowledge of martial arts would have

After seeing that, I'm reminded that I want to study a martial art.

[GreenStormCloud]

24. Please explain how a gun would not have helped her.

Both martial arts and guns require a person to be situationally aware. If she had been aware of what was happening around her, a gun would have definately been very useful.

[Sanity Claws]

25. She was not situationally aware.

She didn't notice the car pull up behind her or the guy get out of it. She wouldn't have been prepared to pull a gun.
As for martial arts, she could have used her knowledge of martial arts even though she didn't become aware of the guy until he grabbed her. I've seen many martial artists practice how to counter being grabbed from behind.

[GreenStormCloud]

27. You have seen it in a dojo, not in real life.

In Hollywood, women always beatup men in fights. In the real world it doesn't happen. Even with martial arts a woman is highly overmatched against a man. Plus she was knocked to the ground before she could respond.

None of us here claim that a gun is a magic talisman. Using a gun IS a martial art, but it is one that is fairly easy to become competent in. It doesn't take years of intense practice.

Whether in karate or guns, one must always be situationally aware.

Further, even one is a super ninja karate kung-fu type, the day will come when age will rob you of your skill. With a gun, that day is much further away, as a gun requires much less skill.

[slackmaster]

39. Use of a firearm for self defense IS a martial art

:hi:

[GreenStormCloud]

29. Not FABULOUS, but definately a better outcome.

She would still be traumatized, but she would be unhurt, still have her stuff, and society would be without a violent felon.

Most likely, the goblin would have stopped when she pulled her gun out and he would have ran away - no shots fired.

That assumes that she has learned to be situationally aware, which she wasn't in the video. Learning situational awareness is part of learning guns.

[rd_kent]

41. No, she should have just used her "natural fighting skills"........

[old mark]

19. Despite the strangeness of this thread, I do carry whenever I leave my house.

My wife and I are older and slow, and many people think people like us are targets.

Also, my wife enjoys jewelery, much of which belonged to her late mother and aunt.

And, you are correct I would certainly defend us against violence, even in the noble courtyard of Whole Foods, fascist asshole place though it may be, even against some person who "has nothing" and would die of envy if he didn't relieve my wife of some shiny object.
I have no sympathy for any sort of asshole like that, no matter what his motivation.

mark

[GreenStormCloud]

23. She was careless.

First, she wore an expensive ring to a grocery store at night. That is like flashing a roll of money. It invites criminals.

Second, she was not capable of self-defense.

Third, she was not aware of her surroundings.

If she had been armed and been practicing situational awareness, when the guy rushed her she would have been on the other side of the car, gun in hand. He would have gotten a nasty surprise. Most likely he would have turned and ran, no shots fired.

[Tim01]

31. The point is that the parking lot at Whole Foods in this upscale area is not safe.

It is just the kind of place frequented by people who say you have no need to carry around a gun if you are not hanging out in dangerous places.

This thread has a few awfully strange responses. Some people are wound pretty tight, try decaf.

[Artie Bucco]

33. Even some of the upscale areas of Dallas have crime.

A two years ago a woman was shot in an attempted robbery in North Park mall.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-beat/Stuard-Found-Guilty-in-NorthPark-Mall-Shooting.html

[grahamhgreen]

40. Looks like they had already cased her prior to the attack. nt

[avaistheone1]

42. I think that may be true.