|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Guns |
oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 04:29 PM Original message |
When cops don't know the law (or just don't care) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. 21K lesson |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. Why do you need a gun at a movie theater for? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Are you INTENTIONALLY missing the point? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Given the information presented here, I'd think there was a reasonable presumption . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. You might want to look up probable cause |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Probable cause is based on officers' judgment isn't it? Based on interpretation . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Yes, and a legal activity is not probable cause. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. But in their capacity as peace officers, cops are authorized to question people . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. It does have to meet reasonable suspicion or probable cause.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. These officers (unlike NYC cops) didn't think there was "no" reason . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Yup, teachable moment for the cops.. to the tune of $21k |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I'm going to Roswell to see my sister over Christmas . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Funny thing is, I live in Texas.. which doesn't have Open Carry. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I'm from Texas, was born there, in fact. But I won't be going back. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
logjon (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
245. Good Idea |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #32 |
73. Exercising their professional judgment? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 02:40 AM Response to Reply #73 |
89. By "abducting" you mean asking him politely to come out into the lobby and discuss the issue. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 04:46 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Try "bodily dragging him into the street" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 04:58 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. You read the newspaper, I read the legal complaint. My version is the one the court acted on. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:02 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Does the phrase "according to court records" mean anything to you? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:25 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. "According to court records" they asked him a question and he responded . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:24 AM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Are you not getting that the newspaper report cites District Court records? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:25 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. It cites the records in one instance. Everything else is the reporter's take on the incident. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Let's review what you said in post #89 |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:09 AM Response to Reply #105 |
168. Do I hear crickets? (n/t) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #168 |
190. Self-delete (wrong place) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #105 |
191. Ah, dictionaries. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 04:04 AM Response to Reply #191 |
197. Spare me the dic-swinging |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 05:05 AM Response to Reply #197 |
198. 30 minutes in the presence of police officers! Oh horrors: It's worse than the Gulag! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 05:40 AM Response to Reply #198 |
200. Do you call yourself "MrModerate" because... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:25 AM Response to Reply #200 |
201. Aieeyah. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:43 AM Response to Reply #201 |
203. You'll find it was Taitertots who said that, not me |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #203 |
204. Sorry to attribute someone else's statements to you. There are a lot of subthreads here . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #201 |
227. I would say that an unlawful detainment by police.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. You seem to miss the point |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I get the point entirely. Open carry is legal. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Brandishing has specific legal standards, that vary by state. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. But it's something that every cop evaluates every day to determine whether further questioning . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. They don't have that discretion. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. While I agree with you about hunches, etc., I have two points: |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Cops do have discretion, and do pursue hunches.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Well, so far I haven't seen a description of what detention they subjected the carrier to . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Summary judgement link.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. He had a chambered round? Yeah, great judgment there. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. An unloaded gun is a paperweight. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Is it any wonder that the phrase "Second Amendment Advocate" is so easily rendered as . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Once again |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. We always carry in a theater. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. All I can say is: Thank heavens for Netflix. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
logjon (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
247. Nice summary |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. It's usually not the theater itself (for me, at least..) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
onside kick (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
78. Is it your position that a person openly carrying a gun is more likely to be on a mission of mayhem |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. No. The open carrier is probably demonstrating his/her right to carry lethal hardware . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #82 |
149. All it takes is a No Guns Allowed sign to keep these creeps out of the property. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. How can you make two back to back posts and not even be consistent between them?? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #150 |
154. There is no mistake. You pack into a place with the No Guns sign and you go to the lockup. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:10 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Are you under the effects of deleterious substances or dim? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #155 |
158. It figures. When you have no argument, attack the opposition. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Merchant Marine (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:53 AM Response to Reply #158 |
164. You stated |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #158 |
176. I pointed out the illogic of your two statements.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:29 AM Response to Reply #154 |
169. That's not true |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #154 |
174. Not in Texas, or several other states. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
147. Id be willing to bet guns were banned in that theater. Gun nuts dont care.nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
HALO141 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-19-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
248. Yes, it makes a very big difference. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Might have been a revolver. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. REport references a magzine. And, how long does it take to rack the slide? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Violent crime happens damn fast, when it happens. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Well, at least open carry (the situation in New Mexico) allows me to identify . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Why? If you are close to a legally armed person and a criminal attacked, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Having had it happen to me before I have a policy about places where guns are being discharged. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. I hope you always have that option available to you. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #53 |
159. So you have millions of dollars or an umbrella policy? You better if you shoot one |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:02 AM Response to Reply #159 |
166. That's your right. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:12 AM Response to Reply #159 |
178. If your family is not a criminal attacking me, they are very safe from me. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 02:35 AM Response to Reply #50 |
165. Most quality modern day semi-auto handguns are safe with a chambered round... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #28 |
75. So you will accept when |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. License plates = handgun? I don't think so. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #83 |
107. I know, Cars kill far more people than get murdered by guns. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:27 AM Response to Reply #107 |
124. Lame argument alert! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:48 AM Response to Reply #124 |
130. Lame counter-argument alert! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #124 |
142. Less than 20,000 firearms murders compared to 40,000+ automotive deaths |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
logjon (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
246. let me get this straight |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Why do you consider |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Please describe to me how you might beneficially make use of a gun in a crowded theatre. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Well, a mass murder |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Right, so a shooter pops up and you're going to whip out your gun and take him out? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
51. Damn right I would take the shooter out. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Well, whoop-ti-do. Your laser sites make me feel so much better. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. With the exception that you are absolutely wrong |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. Baby boomer criminals are dying off or getting a lick of sense. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. That was not among the choices you offered in your scenario. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. In a life-threatening situation, you need to do the smart and moral thing, if you can. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. "In a life-threatening situation, you need to do the smart and moral thing, if you can." |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. The logical fail(ure) with your response is that the problem is . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #87 |
110. For me, stopping a criminal would be much harder without a gun. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #87 |
115. Wow. You want to stop crime... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:57 AM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Of course I'm opposed to criminals facing lethal citizens. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #121 |
133. The only alternative is for criminals to have lethal armament and citizens to have none. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #121 |
137. Except for the fact that your solution will only get innocent people killed... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 06:27 AM Response to Reply #137 |
221. The solution to too many guns is not more guns. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 07:55 AM Response to Reply #221 |
224. Interesting to note |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 07:59 AM Response to Reply #224 |
225. OK, so that was an aphorism and consequently imprecise. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #225 |
226. So why have |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #225 |
233. You ignore the problem with your fantasy. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
79. It's a little late |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. And so they just come out shooting? Sweet. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
85. Bwa-a-a-a-aaaaa. ahahahahahaha. hahahaha! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 02:37 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Let's see . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 08:02 AM Response to Reply #88 |
104. You are forgetting about smuggling. Heroin is not homemade. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #88 |
109. ah.............about item #3 |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:22 AM Response to Reply #109 |
122. There's a huge difference between underground factories and aboveground factories. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #122 |
132. underground weaponry |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 03:14 AM Response to Reply #132 |
167. A shotgun in a super soaker? That's different. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #132 |
188. Well, perhaps he could. However, individual pieces turned out in . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:42 AM Response to Reply #51 |
162. Yeah, right Annie Oakley!!! nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #162 |
177. You doubt my abilities? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. How about the walk back to the car.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Exactly, if you left the firearm in the car... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
74. It doesn't matter, the ONLY justification he needs is the Constitution. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:01 AM Response to Reply #74 |
99. Was it Justice Jackson who said "the Constitution is not a suicide pact"? (1949) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #99 |
116. Bullshit. Just plain bullshit. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:25 AM Response to Reply #116 |
123. Yes, someone carrying a firearm is using it. And even though that's legal . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #123 |
134. Threatening a criminal saved my wife's life. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #123 |
138. Carrying =/= threatening. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:39 AM Response to Reply #138 |
160. Bingo!!! Its all about thier manhood. Most of these gun packers cant fist fight so they use guns. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #160 |
179. At my age, I definately can't fight against a violent felon. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #179 |
195. So you are too weak to fight, but you can hold a gun steady in a theater ? No way! nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #195 |
205. Too weak to fight a twenty-something man, definitely. But my hands are still steady. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #205 |
209. On a range you shot. A 20 year old will grab your gun and shoot you. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #209 |
210. How do you figure he can do that with bullets in him? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 01:37 AM Response to Reply #210 |
219. Big woop! You are a PI means nothing. You could shoot someone elsewith your age & disabilities. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Merchant Marine (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #219 |
220. Do you have a meaningful argument to make? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #219 |
232. Yes, if need be, I can shoot someone. I hope it will never be necessary. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #209 |
228. You are making things up. Again. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Merchant Marine (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #209 |
231. No, you'll grab his gun |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #138 |
189. Boy, your compelling argument has certainly convinced me! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. That'd be a first |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Career criminals probably don't advertise their intentions. Wackos with guns are not so reliable. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Good thing cops don't operate on the basis of 'inappropriate'.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Nonsense. Firstly, cops use their judgment all the time. If something looks wrong . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. "Cause I think so" isn't legal justification to detain. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Now we're getting into a tired old argument. But hey. . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Reading all your posts here I conclude... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. No, I acknowledge that violent crime happens to wicked and nice people alike. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Why are you more afraid of me, than of a criminal? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Gun are your neighbors' business if they're in your house or if an inadvertent discharge . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
armueller2001 (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Eventually that would flush the illegal guns out of the system. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Many illegal guns? Most? Who knows. Fewer is better. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 04:56 AM Response to Reply #64 |
92. Seen it done? Where, when, and how long did the effect last? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:29 AM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Hong Kong. New Zealand. Germany and the UK post WWII |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:40 AM Response to Reply #98 |
128. Did the violent crime rate decline as a demonstrable result? Did it stay down? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Being a lamb gets you eaten. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 04:57 AM Response to Reply #70 |
93. Before I address your points, I have to ask . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #93 |
112. I live in a small town of 2,000 people, close to Dallas. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 04:38 AM Response to Reply #112 |
125. My response wasn't intended to be sarcastic. I really don't get it. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #125 |
135. This is what I took to be sarcastic:... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #135 |
145. I actually believe that Second Amendment advocates substantially overstate the risk . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #145 |
180. It has already happened to my wife. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
66. A point of clarification |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Maybe it's because I've been assaulted in a movie theater... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. I have a great deal of difficulty with the concept that . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 12:37 AM Response to Reply #49 |
65. A threat to whom? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #49 |
136. My firearm is not a perceived threat |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
152. Wow! Where diD you pull that Bs cat out of the hat? nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
163. I was in a bank that was robbed by gun. No one had any time to pull a gun, even the guard. These gun |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #163 |
181. What banks have guards anymore? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #181 |
193. You need to get out more. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:16 AM Response to Reply #193 |
206. I have been to all major U.S. cities, and all lower 48 states. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
72. Dude, I am not arguing whether its a good idea or not to open carry a gun in |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:05 AM Response to Reply #72 |
100. I'm sorry, but carrying a gun may be many things, but it's not irrelevant. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
146. Only a coward or a criminal takes a gun into a theater. Thankfully in CA he would be a felon. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #146 |
151. Concealed carry in a theater in CA appears to be legal.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:41 AM Response to Reply #151 |
161. Only with a permit, but most places we visit have the warning signs against guns like I do. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #161 |
175. Theaters are not 'prohibited places' in and of themselves.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Merchant Marine (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #146 |
212. You really need to |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
logjon (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
244. Movie theaters are special now? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. What do you need you right against unreasonable search and seizure for? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Because we have to walk through a parking lot to get to theater and back. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Ed Gein got busted over a half gallon of antifreeze |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
68. That is not a relevant question |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
56. Mr. Moderate, I want to give you a genuine compliment. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #56 |
63. I come from a gun-owning family. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
westerm (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 03:44 AM Response to Reply #63 |
90. wrong |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 05:21 AM Response to Reply #90 |
96. "Wrong" -- well, that's certainly an irrefutable response. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #96 |
108. re "Military Hardware" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
westerm (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #96 |
113. i just used that subject because i can never think of a good subject line |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:07 AM Response to Reply #113 |
126. As a non-gun owner . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
westerm (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #126 |
141. the need argument |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-10-09 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
58. we have had roll call training on open carry at our PD |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
69. This thread is classic |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-11-09 09:07 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. His stance on the 2nd Amendment isn't moderate either. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 07:16 AM Response to Reply #69 |
101. Like a lot of people, I consider the wording of the Second Amendment to be ambiguous . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. The airlines have expressed their right to refuse people carrying on airplanes |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #106 |
111. it was not always so. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:14 AM Response to Reply #106 |
127. Actually the two are directly comparable . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #127 |
140. Absolutely not comparable |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #140 |
144. The court, months after the event, decided the cops had acted inappropriately. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-12-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #101 |
114. What do you think the Founders would say to a "right to privacy" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:42 AM Response to Reply #114 |
119. A perfect argument for a hard look and the Second Amendment . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 05:45 AM Response to Reply #119 |
129. That's fine - just do via an amendment |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 06:38 AM Response to Reply #129 |
131. Well maybe. Although I *never* felt good about the Patriot Act. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #101 |
117. Uh...do you consider this ambiguous? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #117 |
120. It makes it clear that it's part of a set of declaratory and restrictive clauses . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #120 |
139. The USSC has decided that one. Your side lost. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #139 |
153. Not in California. You dont pack guns here or you go to jail. No assault weapons allowed either! nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. California _does_ have concealed carry.. for the rich and connected. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. What is your point? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:55 AM Response to Reply #157 |
172. I think the point is you don't know WTF |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #157 |
173. Both your previous statements are wrong- |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #173 |
183. That's not the only howler offered up by them recently: |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #183 |
184. I love the tire analogy.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 03:58 AM Response to Reply #184 |
196. I stole it from benEzra |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
pneutin (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #157 |
211. Even the most ardent gun control activists have/had concealed carry permits |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Merchant Marine (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #153 |
213. CA Gun Laws |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #120 |
143. What about it could possibly be consider ambiguous? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:38 AM Response to Reply #143 |
170. Sorry, but while saying thousands of experts agree with me . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #170 |
185. You are beating your head against a brick wall. Your side has already lost. N/T |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 06:30 AM Response to Reply #185 |
202. And.Nothing.Will.Ever.Change . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #202 |
207. What do you plan to do if you are assaulted by a knife-armed criminal? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #207 |
214. Well, the overarching answer is that the likelihood of that happening is so low . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #214 |
216. Yes, I consider that as denial. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #216 |
217. And you've made choices about how you'll live your life . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #216 |
229. See my post #76. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #120 |
148. You started off well, but went right off the tracks. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 04:40 AM Response to Reply #148 |
171. Like it or not, thousands of constitutional scholars disagree with your interpretation. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #171 |
182. USSC has ruled. Your side lost. N/T |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #171 |
192. Those "scholars" you speak of must not have read or understood the preamble to the bill of rights. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 05:08 AM Response to Reply #192 |
199. I bow to your ominiscience. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #199 |
215. Proper execution in reading and comprehension does not make one "ominiscient". |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #215 |
218. Your last sentence is just further confirmation of your surpassing supremity . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 06:41 AM Response to Reply #218 |
222. As if... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 07:16 AM Response to Reply #222 |
223. You said -- unambiguously -- that no one had ever showed you where you had made an error. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 10:44 AM Response to Reply #223 |
230. Ah, and the true colors begin to appear... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #230 |
235. Actually I was criticizing your use of stentorian rhetoric over analysis . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #230 |
239. Or, more precisely, *his* use of stentorian rhetoric . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #223 |
234. Hey, one of those on your list was my post, not his. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #234 |
236. Damn, these threads are getting tangled. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #223 |
237. Its not nice to misrepresent what someone else has said. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-16-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #237 |
238. Not sure why I'm doing this, but . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #238 |
240. Lets have another look then. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:32 AM Response to Reply #240 |
241. Well you get an 8 for dudgeon height and a 2 for precision. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 06:30 AM Response to Reply #240 |
242. It is like arguing with a creationist over evolution. They see ambiguity that isn't there. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Mercracer (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #120 |
186. Hypocrite |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. I'm willing to bet you don't know what you're talking about. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
westerm (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-14-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #187 |
194. "reinterpretation" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-15-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #194 |
208. And Miller had died, and his counsel didn't show up! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-13-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #101 |
118. There's a salient difference between commercial passenger aircraft and "No Gun Zones" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
243. Hooray for the Fourth Amendment!!! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Thu May 09th 2024, 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Guns |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC