One we sometimes forget

[MichaelHarris]

L.A. shooting suspect charged with hate crimeshttp://www.cnn.com/US/9908/12/california.shooting.03/

On Aug. 10, 1999, white supremacist Buford Furrow of Olympia, Wash., wounded three little children, a teenager and an adult at the North Valley Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills. He later killed letter carrier Joseph S. Ileto. Authorities said he was carrying at least seven firearms, which he possessed illegally.

The hate-filled descent of Buford Furrowhttp://www.seattlepi.com/local/furr17.shtml


As a convicted felon and someone who may have been adjudicated mentally ill by a court, it appears that Buford Furrow was a prohibited purchaser. He may not have been able to buy a new assault weapon in a licensed gun store, but...

---He may have bought his weapon, which may be an older 'grandfathered' assault weapon, at a gun show or from any 'private dealer.' Washington State has no laws requiring background checks on private sales at gun shows or regulating secondary sales. Many gun shows sell white supremacist, Nazi and/or militia literature right alongside assault weapons with large ammunition magazines.http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=209

How did Buford Furrow acquire his weapons?

The Arsenal
Five assault weapons, two handguns and 7,000 rounds of ammunition were recovered
from vehicles allegedly used by Buford O. Furrow Jr. Below are some of the weapons
and their firing capabilities and the ammunition.
NORINCO 9-mm.
Uzi submachine gun clone
Capacity: 32 rounds
Originally designed for the Israeli Army
* * *
GLOCK 26 9-mm subcompact pistol
Capacity: 10 rounds
Originally designed for the Austrian Army
* * *
IMBEL .308- or 7.62-mm
Capacity: 20 rounds
Originally designed for the Belgian Army
* * *
DAVIS DERRINGER .22-caliber
Capacity: 2 rounds
Modeled after classic Old West design
* * *
BUSHMASTER AR-15 type assault rifle
.223- or 5.56-mm. NATO
Capacity: 40 rounds
Originally designed for the U.S. Army
* * *
Not shown: MAADI sniper-style rifle
Note: Weapons not drawn to scale

Bullets Found
Actual size
.308- or 7.62-mm. NATO
.223- or 5.56-mm. NATO
9 mm.

[virginia mountainman]

1. Why was Buford Furrow allowed to walk among us??

Oct. 28, 1998 Arrested for threatening Fairfax Psychiatric Hospital workers in Kirkland with a knife. Police find five knives and a 9mm handgun in his pickup truck.

Oct. 30, 1998 Released on bond from King County Jail.

Nov. 2 1998 Returns to custody after charges filed and bond increased.

April 26, 1999 Pleads guilty in King County Superior Court to assault; sentenced to eight months in jail.

May 21 Released from jail after five months because of good behavior.

Aug. 7 Buys van from Tacoma Kar Korner.

Aug. 10 Identified as Granada Hills gunman.

Aug. 11 Surrenders in Las Vegas

[timeforpeace]

8. He never learned to fly.

[TPaine7]

2. In other news,

David killed Goliath with a stone. David was just a lad at the time; where did he get that stone?

OK, that was earlier than 1999, but just a little. :P

[MichaelHarris]

9. I'll let you

figure out why this story in the news today. I'll give you a hint May, 12 2009 court findings in LA.

[Tejas]

3. Brady copy/paste, was wondering how long it would take for

you to start using them as gospel.

Journalist, gunowner, been to gunshows.......yeah, and a flying pig just landed at O'Hare.

stick a fork in him folks!

[MichaelHarris]

4. is any

of it false? You can hate the source but that doesn't make it false.

SHERIFF LEE BACA: There were several weapons, including assault weapons, that were purchased at the gun show that eventually through secondary and third purchases made their way into the hands of these two individuals. When you go to a gun show with your ability to sell illegal weapons, you know you have a potential audience and a potential purchaser. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/july-dec99/gun_control_8-31a.html

Now show me your source that this is false? You're about to look real, well, you know.

[Statistical]

6. If they suspects got them via 2nd or 3rd purchases they got them..

OUTSIDE OF A GUN SHOW!

So gunshows weren't the problem people selling guns to felons were.

You are a funny guy Michael Brady Harris.

[MichaelHarris]

7. The name calling is

fine but were they wrong?

Buford Furrow used a Glock pistol sold by a police department in the state of Washington to shoot children at a Jewish community center in Los Angeles and kill a postal worker.http://extras.denverpost.com/news/gun0919.htm

You're smarter than just resorting to name calling aren't you? Come on, disprove the Brady site.

[Statistical]

11. Disprove what.?

No doubt he killed someone with a pistol.
The problem like I said is PEOPLE ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW by intentionally selling weapons to felons.
How do you propose stopping that?
Wait let me guess "gunshow loophole" even though he didn't get the gun from a gunshow.
Somebody got it from somebody who sold it at a gunshow who got it from the POLICE DEPT!

Maybe the Police Dept needs to be subject to more gun control?
Close the "police loophole" now!

You are the only "gunowner" I know that follows Brady like it is a religious calling.
Man it is even funny to call you a gunowner. Come on dude. You don't own guns. You hate guns. You hate people who own guns. You just want them all banned. :lol:

Are you also a Republican? If you aren't it is kinda strange you quote Republicans 5 times a day.
You should be honored to be Michael Brady Harris.

I don't just attach the Brady honorific to just anyone's name.

[MichaelHarris]

12. hahahahahahahaaa

You don't like the Brady link but are what they said true? Because it's the Brady site is it automatically lying? All you've done is call me names, show me where Brady lies on this issue.

[Statistical]

15. It is like shooting fish in a barrel

"Many newer rifles, including the Bushmaster identified as Furrow's weapon, can hold older clips with enough ammunition to blow away a small army"

Really. I had no idea a single Bushmaster can take out an entire army.
Hell get rid of nuclear weapons we can use semi-automatic rifles as strategic weapons.

"Although firearms manufactured since 1994 can legally hold no more than 10 bullets"

Wrong. Under the AWB of 1994 it prohibited manufactuer of new 11+ round magazines. It did not prohibit making weapons that can use existing magazines.

He may have bought his weapon, which may be an older 'grandfathered' assault weapon, at a gun show or from any 'private dealer.'

While not a lie, it is misleading. No evidence he did that. He also may have bought the weapon before being a prohibited person, he may have used straw buyer, me may have found it on the street, he may have gotten it from the evidence room run by a crooked cop, he may have stolen it, he may have lied about his status and bought it from a private party, hell he may have gotten it from Aliens.

"Since gunowners are licensed in only a few American states, revoking or suspending the license of a gunowner who was 'normal and law-abiding' at the time of purchase, but is later known to be dangerous or unstable, is practically impossible. Just like Mark Barton in Atlanta, Furrow was obviously a psychological risk. But, although a driver's license can be revoked for any number of reasons, there is no comparable procedure for ensuring that felons and other prohibited buyers do not retain firearms."

NICS existed at the time. Per Brady's admission he couldn't buy a firearm legally. He already broke the law buying them illegally. WTF would a license do to stop him? Most states don't license gunowners because criminals will simply illegally buy firearms. Licensing law abiding citizens does what?

[MichaelHarris]

16. Did I quote

any of that? I intentionally left that out of my quote because it was out-dated data. So, they missed it by one bullet?

[Statistical]

18. Outdated? It was a lie the second it was written n/t

[MichaelHarris]

20. Do you

always answer only the questions you want to? Did I quote any of what you posted?

[Statistical]

24. Reading Comprehension Fail

Your words
All you've done is call me names, show me where Brady lies on this issue.

I showed you 3 examples of Brady lying on this issue.
Pay me my daily salary for a week and I can find a couple thousands examples.

There isn't a single Brady press release or article that doesn't have at least one lie.

[MichaelHarris]

10. crickets

Jut name calling huh? No substance, keep Googling.

[MichaelHarris]

13. Same name calling

hope you're having fun with that, first, the Brady site says maybe, second, the gun did pass through a gun show and ended up in the hands of a felon. Man you just got hooked like a carp on that buddy hahahahahahahaha.

Now, account for these:

Five assault weapons, two handguns and 7,000 rounds of ammunition were recovered
from vehicles allegedly used by Buford O. Furrow Jr. Below are some of the weapons
and their firing capabilities and the ammunition.
NORINCO 9-mm.
Uzi submachine gun clone
Capacity: 32 rounds
Originally designed for the Israeli Army
* * *
GLOCK 26 9-mm subcompact pistol
Capacity: 10 rounds
Originally designed for the Austrian Army
* * *
IMBEL .308- or 7.62-mm
Capacity: 20 rounds
Originally designed for the Belgian Army
* * *
DAVIS DERRINGER .22-caliber
Capacity: 2 rounds
Modeled after classic Old West design
* * *
BUSHMASTER AR-15 type assault rifle
.223- or 5.56-mm. NATO
Capacity: 40 rounds
Originally designed for the U.S. Army
* * *
Not shown: MAADI sniper-style rifle
Note: Weapons not drawn to scale

Bullets Found
Actual size
.308- or 7.62-mm. NATO
.223- or 5.56-mm. NATO
9 mm.

[Euromutt]

32. Furrow never used the rifles

So all the scare stories about how such weapons can supposedly annihilate orphanages with a single press of the trigger are rather beside the point.
Furrow used the Uzi knock-off at the North Valley Jewish Community Center (where in spite of the number of rounds fired, he failed to actually kill anyone), and he used the Glock to kill Ileto.

The Glock was apparently purchased by the police department of Cosmopolis, WA (strength: 5 sworn officers http://www.cityofcosmopolis.com/police.html). The department found the guns were too small, and traded them for larger models at a local FFL, Don's Guns, whose owner, Donald Dineen, was also a reserve officer with Cosmopolis PD. Dineen sold the gun to a local paint shop owner named Dave Wright. At some point, a friend of Wright's named Andrew Palmer was going to go to a gun show in Spokane to sell some of his own guns, and Wright gave Palmer several of his own guns, including the Glock, to sell while he was there. Palmer apparently sold the Glock in Spokane, but it's not known that Furrow was the person who bought it. Spokane has its share of white supremacist types, boasting its own Klan chapter and a Christian Identity group. Given Furrow's contacts with white supremacist types, it's far from implausible that a local one bought it and subsequently sold it to Furrow. Certainly we can rule out collusion between Palmer and Furrow; Spokane is about as far as you can get from Cosmopolis (which is on Gray's Harbor, an inlet off the Pacific) without leaving the state, and Furrow lived in Everett. It's 140 miles from Cosmopolis to Everett, 370 from Cosmopolis to Spokane, and 300 miles from Everett to Spokane, so that would have been a remarkably elaborate way to make the sale.

We're dealing with at least one offense here, which is that Palmer took Wright's guns to sell in Spokane. As an unlicensed seller, you can sell firearms from your own collection. You can't sell other people's guns for them. There's no legal loophole there. Regardless of whether the Glock was sold to Furrow in Spokane, or to another party who subsequently transferred it to Furrow, there's no legal loophole there either: it's a class C felony under Washington state law (RCW 9.41.080) to transfer a firearm to someone you have "reasonable cause to believe is ineligible under RCW 9.41.040 to possess a firearm" as Furrow was, and a class B felony for Furrow to possess it. The fact that such a sale can physically take place isn't a "loophole" anymore than it's a "loophole" that it is physically possible for someone to burgle my house.

Falsehood: the Glock 26 was "originally designed for the Austrian army."
It wasn't; it was designed for the US private market, specifically to be compliant with the 1994 ban on "high-capacity" magazines.

Falsehoods: the Norinco 320 is a "submachine gun clone," "originally designed for the Israeli army." Cosmetically, the weapon's very similar to a military Uzi, but the guts are quite different. The military Uzi fires from an open bolt with a fixed firing pin (which is simply a protrusion on the bolt face; semi-auto-only Uzis fire from a closed bolt, which requires a hammer to strike a floating firing pin. Semi-auto-Uzis also have a different feed ramp, fitted with a "restrictor ring" that will interfere with a full-auto bolt. An analogy might be taking a Humvee, replacing the 150hp multifuel engine with a 90hp gasoline engine, converting it to a two-wheel drive, making it physically impossible to reinstall the original powerplant and drive train, and claiming that it's "just like the U.S. Army uses."

Falsehood: the Norinco 320 Uzi is an "assault weapon."
The 320 was imported while the 1994 "assault weapons ban" was in force, and was designed to comply with it. While it as semi-auto and accepted detachable magazines, it had a "thumbhole" stock (no pistol grip, or folding/collapsing stock), no bayonet lug, an unthreaded barrel (i.e. incapable of being fitted with a flash hider or grenade launcher spigot), and no bayonet lug. While it could accept "high-capacity" Uzi magazines (which exist with 25-, 32- and 40-round capacities), it was sold with ones that would hold only ten rounds, thus making the claimed capacity of 32 rounds misleading.

I might note that there's some misleading intent behind the repeated claims that weapons were "originally designed for" some army. The idea, presumably, being to make the uninformed think that military weapons must, by definition, be more powerful and more devastating than "civilian" weapons. However, speaking as someone who served in an army (the Royal Netherlands Army) that used both the Glock 17 and the Uzi submachine gun (the latter having since been replaced), I can say that most armed forces do not consider handguns and SMGs to be "casualty-makers." These weapons are typically issued to people who normally shouldn't have to come within small arms range of opposing forces. Pistols are issued to staff officers (majors and above) and medics; SMGs are issued to subaltern combat officers (company and platoon commanders), truck drivers, staff NCOs, etc. The purpose of these weapons in a military role (excepting use by special forces types) is to allow the bearer to lay down some suppressive fire and make a run for it while the enemy is seeking cover. People who are supposed to use small arms to inflict casualties on the enemy are issued rifles and machine guns.

Moreover, the term "originally designed for" some army also applies to a plethora of sporting weapons. Most bolt-action hunting rifles use a Mauser-type action; the Mauser was originally designed for the German army. In 1871.

Falsehood: the Maadi RML is an "assault weapon."
The RML was imported from Egypt both prior and during the 1994 AWB being in force. The ones imported in 1993 were, as it happens, fully compliant with the federal "assault weapons" ban, while the ones imported in 1995-96 were even compliant with the California 1989 AWB; the difference being that the 1993 imports had a threaded barrel, whereas the 1995-96 imports had an unthreaded barrel. In addition, the rifles were sold with a single 5-round magazine.

Half-truth: the magazine capacity of the Bushmaster XM-15 E25 is 40 rounds.
AR-15/M16-type rifles accept "STANAG/USGI"-compliant magazines, which come a variety of capacities. This includes 40-round boxes, but 20- and 30-round ones the most common.

In addition, there is a good possibility that the Imbels and the Bushmaster were "post-ban" models, and thus not "assault weapons," though without further information, I can't say for certain.

[iverglas]

23. Huh. I wonder.

Do you suppose there are people who buy firearms from "private sellers" at gun shows in order to traffic them to people ineligible to possess them, and be sure there are no records of their own purchase?

Huh. I wonder.

Nah. All those firearms that people in prison bought "on the street", or from a cousin, they just dropped like lawn darts from the sky ...

[Taitertots]

25. OK, then open the NICS to private transfers n/t

[Statistical]

26. Nah. Iverglas would never support that.

Would use some logic like it would make is easier for people to buy and sell weapons of death.

Likely would lobby against it because it would be a "sensible gun control".
Most antis are only looking for "sensible gun control" minus the sensible.

[Taitertots]

27. Minus the gun too n/t

[iverglas]

51. and now for the actual reason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=176115&mesg_id=176139

I would lobby against anything that gave any member of the public access to anyone's personal info.

As I said in that post, I would assume that licensed firearms dealers have it as a condition of their licenses that they may not request NICS reports other than in the specified circumstances, and random NICS checks of individuals in other circumstances would be a licence (and probably law) violation.

It would make sense for individuals to be able to request access to their *own* info from NICS, using a PIN or some such thing. Or to allow private sellers to request NICS reports through licensed dealers.

Not to allow private sellers to call up NICS reports whenever they felt like it.

Nobody thinks things through around here, do they?


On the other hand, if an individual is required to have a permit to possess firearms, all that needs to be done for a private sale is to present the permit (and have a process for confirming that it is still valid, I suppose).

But then comes the problem of how a private seller maintains records of lawful sales ... since, once again, it hardly strikes me as reasonable for members of the public to retain, or be expected to retain, records of other people's personal info ...

Which is where a firearms registry comes in so handy, no? A permanent record, maintained by a public body subject to public oversight and bound to maintain confidentiality, and no onus on a private seller to exercise any judgment as long as the law is complied with.

[X_Digger]

29. Sure, only 0.7% of them.. (per DOJ) n/t

[Deadric Damodred]

30. "in order to traffic them"

Since that is already illegal, if they do do it, they are already breaking the law and commiting a major felony. So no need for a new law there.

[Tejas]

36. Cure the problem of full-auto guns from your country going to mexico,

heck, try giving a hoot about it in the first place and then maybe you'll have some resemblance of credibility concerning firearms trafficking.

[Taitertots]

45. I'm not sure why this doesn't have the sarcasm tag n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

48. Nice to see you back after a long absence.

[Euromutt]

41. Quite a bit of it's false

See this post elsewhere in the thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=229945&mesg_id=230046

I'm not going to post that lot twice.

[Tejas]

53. yes, it is.

Did your link to a 10-year old article prove crime disappeared in Kali or some other drug-induced fantasy? Thank you though for the insight into such a sad waste of the tax payers hard-earned dollar.

[aikoaiko]

5. I bet you could find out by emailing the DA or detective in charge of the investigation...

...if it is not reported in any news articles.

[Taitertots]

14. Complete BS

Norinco Uzi Clone:
Not designed for Israeli army. A knock-off that is functionally not equivalent.

IMBEL .308- or 7.62-mm
A knock off FAL that is not functionally equivalent.

BUSHMASTER AR-15 type assault rifle
Which is it an Assault Rifle or an AR-15? T

MAADI sniper-style rifle:
An AK sniper rifle, that rich.

[MichaelHarris]

17. Wanna know where

that info came from? A gun collector website http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=200000

[Taitertots]

19. You can parrot all the obvious lies you want

An AR-15 is not an assault rifle. It will not accept FA parts.

An AK is not a sniper rifle. Even if you put a scope and tacticool stock on it.

An Norinco knock-off is not the same as the one used by Israel. It is totally mechanically different.

The IMBEL FAL knock-off is not the same as the one used by armies around the world.

[MichaelHarris]

21. you

may want to take it up with the gun guys who wrote it them or the reporter who wrote it.

[Taitertots]

22. Why don't I take it up with you

Since you are the one attempting to use it to support your positions.

I guess intellectual honesty and rigor are not to be expected from you. It is easier to parrot obvious lies and refuse to support your positions.

[paulsby]

35. this guy has no intellectual honesty

this is the same guy that claimed that it was illegal to carry a gun on college campuses in WA state.

i showed him (as did other posters) that it is entirely legal to carry guns on college campuses in WA state. there is NO law prohibiting it.

it is true several colleges have administrative rules prohibiting carry for students, but those don't make carry ILLEGAL.

also, no court case has yet been adjudicated to support those admin. rules, because they run contrary to state law and constitutional law in WA state.

WA state specifically outlines where it is illegal (for civilians) to carry - high school campuses and below (except an exception is made when gun is kept in car, so parents can pick kids up and have their gun in the car, courthouses, and liquor establishment.

he got slapped down, repeatedly and couldn't simply admit he was wrong. it is NOT illegal in WA state to carry on college campuses.

i have been a LEO in WA for many years. that is the law.

nobody has ever been convicted (let alone charged as far as i can tell in legal database searches) of what michaelharris claims is ILLEGAL, because it is in fact LEGAL.

[Euromutt]

34. No, it came from the LA Times

You'll notice the link to the LA Times piece in the TFL thread, plus their source attribution:

Sources: Jane's Infantry Weapons; Shooter's Bible; Researched by MIKE FANEUFF

Well, Mr. Faneuff, epic fail there. Using Jane's Infantry Weapons to gather information about weapons available on the American civilian market is pointless, certainly during the AWB, because the weapons offered for sale to governments aren't subject to the restrictions civilian weapons are/were.

[Deadric Damodred]

28. What exactly is a "sniper-style" rifle?

It says in the article there was an AR-15 and an Uzi clone, which would fit under the Brady definition of "assault weapon". But I also see the term "sniper-style rifle"? What is that? Any rifle with a scope?

[X_Digger]

31. Yup..

According to the brady bunch, there's a difference between military sniper rifles and scoped hunting rifles.. never mind that "military" sniper rifles are hunting rifles (Remington 700) with composite stocks.

[Euromutt]

33. In this instance, a 20" barrel and a 5-round mag.

The weapon was a Maadi RML, an Egyptian-made Kalashnikov derivative with a thumbhole stock, available with 16" and 20" barrels, and sold with a single 5-round mag. Much like "military-style" rifles, it looks like most people's idea of a "sniper" rifle, without actually being one, since the RML is chambered for 7.62x39mm.

Did I mention it's AWB-compliant?

[benEzra]

37. The only gun he killed anyone with was the baby Glock...

but keep pumping up the fear anyway. Gotta do something to derail the administration's so-far successful approach to defusing the issue, right? And throwing around a lot of mumbo-jumbo that sounds impressive to the gun-404 is certainly one way to do it (if a bit thumbworn these days).

And BTW, my wife owns one of those Evil Scary Black Glock 26's, too. She even uses a (shock, horror) 15-round Glock 19 magazine with hers.

[Euromutt]

38. You should see the damn Wikipedia page on this incident

Talk about ratcheting up the fear level. Here's a quote:

There were about 250 children playing outside when Furrow walked into the lobby carrying an Uzi-type submachine-gun. He opened fire, spraying bullets from right to left, leaving smoke and more than 70 shells on the ground. When he was done, a receptionist, a camp counselor and three little boys were wounded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Jewish_Community_Center_shooting

The Norinco 320 isn't a submachine gun. In fact, it's not even an "assault weapon" since it was specifically redesigned (from the Uzi model B of which it's an unlicensed copy) to comply with the 1994 AWB: thumbhole stock, bayonet lug omitted, unthreaded barrel, barrel nut welded in place. Oh yeah, and it came with 10-round mags (though it would accept any Uzi mags, but you try getting hold of those in 1998/1999).

And my Dog, can you say "dramatic license"? "Spraying bullets from right to left"? Actually, that comes from a Time article (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,991784,00.html), which also says he was carrying "an Israeli-made Uzi" (wrong!). And despite firing 70 rounds, he managed to wound four people, only one of them critically (though credit must be given to the ER staff at Providence Holy Cross Medical Center for keeping the kid alive). If that's the marksmanship we can expect from the Aryan Nations, we have little to worry about (provided we have the means to return fire).

And the Glock 26, as I noted elsewhere, was not designed for the Austrian army. It was designed for the American post-ban civilian market; "if ten rounds is all it's allowed to hold, lt's see how small we can make it." It has nevertheless proven popular with cops too; former Seattle police chief Gil Kerlikowske (the current drug czar) had one as his issue sidearm. Unfortunately, he evidently didn't carry it much, because it got stolen out of his car. It has to this day not been recovered.

[benEzra]

39. The car in the OP's driveway is "loaded with 150 pounds of degelatinized napalm", too.

"Capable of destroying a small building if sufficiently dispersed." And that would be "similar to the high-energy compound used by the military bombers that destroyed the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing nearly two hundred thousand people."

Given a certain level of ignorance on the part of the target audience, it is possible to make a whole lot of everyday mainstream things sound "OMG SCARY!!!111". Thankfully, it seems that the MSM and a handful of disciples are the only ones still listening to the VPC's technobabble rants.

[Euromutt]

40. "Degelatinized napalm"? That's like "dihydrogen monoxide" isn't it?

Not chemically, you understand--you wouldn't want to put water in your gas tank--but as an exercise in "framing" it's very similar. ("Degelatinized napalm," that's good, I must remember that.)

Don't forget dihydrogen monoxide is a chemical used in nuclear power plants and styrofoam manufacturing, and it's now also found in rivers and reservoirs and the soil, and it's getting into the crops and not coming out! It causes excessive urination...

[X_Digger]

42. Ban DHMO!!

http://www.gopetition.com/online/2479.html

Dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage.

Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.

Dihydrogen monoxide:

is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of acid rain
contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
may cause severe burns.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

Contamination Is Reaching Epidemic Proportions!
Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the Midwest, and recently California.

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:

as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.

Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!

The Horror Must Be Stopped!
The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.

[benEzra]

43. Exactly.

And BTW, inhalation of dihydrogen monoxide can be FATAL!!!!1111 Better ban it for the children...

[benEzra]

52. I just realized, "ungelatinized napalm" would be more accurate...

as "degelatinized" implies it was gelled to start with. But other than that, the point stands.

[rl6214]

44. A lot of

might have, maybe's and or's in that article. Can you really cite an article as a source if they really have no answers and are just speculating about the whole thing. Maybe do a little more followup research and find out what the outcome was or if they did actually find the source of those weapons.

[SteveM]

46. Folks catch flak for citing the GOP-based NRA -- but not GOP-based Bradys (nt)

[Deadric Damodred]

49. If a Republican organization's agenda meshes with the anti-gun...

...radical left agenda, then the Republicans are ok. Didn't you know that's how it works?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

47. He MAY have bought his weapon, which MAY be an older 'grandfathered' assault weapon, at a gun show

Boy that some incredible journalism on the Brady Bunches Part. He may have stolen them, he may have been an undercover black ops CIA agent, gimme a break.

David

[AtheistCrusader]

50. He didn't buy them at a Washington Arms Collectors show.

Those that cannot pass a NICS check, by either showing a valid Concealed Pistol License, or passing an actual NICS check ($35 fee), are shown the door if they try to buy or sell a firearm.

So that's a pretty big 'may' you have there.

WAC also has a standing prohibition on nazi literature, and other offensive crap.
http://www.washingtonarmscollectors.org


4. Fully automatic firearms other than those displayed by law enforcement or military organizations, or parts to convert semiautomatic arms to fully-automatic are prohibited. Dummy, replica, or registered Title II firearms must be accompanied by a clearly-readable sign stating that the item in question is not a machine gun.

6. Firearm sales to — or purchases from — non-members or persons prohibited by law from firearms ownership/possession are totally forbidden. Violation will lead to immediate and permanent expulsion as a member of WAC.

7. Members may not loan their badges to anyone, whether a member or not. Membership badges will be worn above the waist with the name clearly visible. The alteration of WAC membership badges in any manner is strictly prohibited; the display at WAC gatherings of altered WAC badges or of badges purporting to be insignia of current WAC membership other than those issued by the WAC shall be cause for immediate expulsion from the gathering and may subject the bearer, if a member, to further discipline by the WAC Board of Directors.

12. The sale of literature on the manufacture of unlawful explosive devices, silencers, full automatic firearms, booby-traps, and/or illegal terrorist tactics, etc. is prohibited. All anti-Semitic, racist and hate literature is prohibited. The sale of targets depicting the likeness of American Politicians is prohibited. If any of the above or other related material not listed shows up at a WAC gathering, the owner of that material shall be asked to remove it immediately.