Nailers

[.... callchet ....]

There are machines that shoot nails that use exploding gasses. Like a bullet except it uses a combustibles gas mixture. Does anybody know if this has any application in firearms?

[Kolesar]

1. Build an attractive gun cabinet?

:evilgrin:

[cliffordu]

19. lol. Nice!

[Jackpine Radical]

2. As in pellet guns, which

use compressed air or CO2?

[Statistical]

3. Never heard of "nailers" that use EXPLODING gas.

Nail guns use compressed gas from an air compressor. Nothing explodes though, the air simply pushes the nail out of the "gun" at high enough velocity to penetrate the wood.

There is no application to firearms. The "muzzle energy" of a nailgun is incredibly weak compared to even a .22LR.

[ejbrush]

4. Not so.

Remington has a series of nailers for sale at most hardware stores. Uses a .22 blank to drive a hardened nail into, well, nearly anything. Works like the bees knees nailing stuff to concrete floors and walls. Gotta use good ear protection, though.

[Statistical]

5. True

I have seen those. I almost bought one :)

The OP talked about "exploding gas".

Those are essentially firearms except they shoot a nail and use a .22lr blank as a cartridge.

[.... callchet ....]

7. The .22's nailers

are real expensive to operate. Special conditions only.

[X_Digger]

14. Not expensive or rare, here.

Any big box store here in TX has them, and the blanks used to run them.

[.... callchet ....]

6. Paslode makes a gas powered nailer also, Just found it

I saw a paslode nailer. I work on barges and we have a pile driver that is a large single cylinder engine.The part that goes up and down is the cylinder. The actual pile driver is the piston. You start it by lifting the cylinder with the crane. Then you cut it loose and as it falls on the piston diesel fuel is injected and then it runs by itself. That was why I wasn't surprised to see a gas powered nailer .

[.... callchet ....]

8. Here is what I was talking about

NR90GC 3-1/2" Gas Powered Clipped Head Framing Nailer

[.... callchet ....]

9. I was wondering if a firearm could be made like this.

[.... callchet ....]

10. Wondering if you could

make a firearm like this. Here is what I was talking about
NR90GC 3-1/2" Gas Powered Clipped Head Framing Nailer
It uses a spark to ignite gas to shoot the nail in/

[TheWraith]

18. I suppose you could, but the engineering would be odd.

The advantage of single-piece bullets and propellants is that they make feeding pretty easy. You'd have to work out some kind of new chambering mechanism if you were dealing with "naked" bullets, and the propellant coming from elsewhere. But fundamentally the propellant just creates a highly compressed burst of gasses, so it could work.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

12. There are nailers that use a gas generating cartidge and not a compressor

Early models had fumes issues. Uncommon and expensive.

[X_Digger]

15. MY father had one..

It used small propane cylinders and a rechargable battery. Great for job sites where you didn't have electricity or a generator for an air compressor.

[.... callchet ....]

11. LOL Apologize for apologizing when I was wrong when I was right.

Bad being quick to apologize LOL Sorry for any wasted time.

[gorfle]

13. Just like a firearm.

Firearms work with a solid propellant that contains a fast-burning fuel and oxidizer. A gas could accomplish the same thing. Solids, however, tend to be more portable, more stable, and store longer with less trouble than explosive gasses.

[AtheistCrusader]

16. Not entirely sure what you are asking.

Yes, there are 'nail guns' that fire nails using a combustible gas mixture.

What do you mean 'application in firearms'? Are you asking about regulation/law?

[.... callchet ....]

20. Could they make a rifle or pistol that used this system?

[AtheistCrusader]

21. Well, I suppose.

I guess from a cleaning standpoint, if you could propel rounds with a hydrogen propellant, your only byproduct would be some moisture. I guess a potato gun would be an example of what you are asking, little bit of hairspray, atmosphere (oxidant) and away you go.

I imagine it's been looked at, in some capacity, in the quest for caseless ammunition. The first Assault Rifle was actually a .50 caliber compressed air gun, sufficient for killing humans, and larger animals, like deer. Hard to maintain, and required much more training for the soldiers, so it was eventually discarded, but the Girandoni Repeating Rifle saw service with the Austrians from about 1780 to about 1815. Lewis Meriwhether carried one on the L&C expedition.

As far as the rounds used in some of those nailguns, you'll find some also use a powder propellant, and look very much like a .22 caliber round, but with no bullet, and a crimped down end where the bullet would go, usually with some green or red laquer sealer on it. It's chambered in behind the nail, and bang, away goes the nail. http://www.thesitebox.com/Category/4367/nail-gun-cartridges.aspx

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

17. I have one, a Paslode anyway.

They work great no hoses to drag around.

David