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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:37 PM
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CNBC Michelle Cruella DeVil "Let the poor sell their organs"


Opinion: Selling Organs for Cash Should be Option

When it comes to Apple and Steve Jobs, all the focus today will be on whether the company should have revealed the state of Jobs' health. That is unfortunate. This story should serve as another lesson in the evils of government intervention.

What do we know about organs that people need in order to survive? There aren’t enough of them. Want more? Pay for them. Give people a financial incentive to give up their liver when they die. Supply will sky rocket.

Are you aghast? I’m going to infuriate you even more with this one: Let living people sell a kidney.

One argument against paying the deceased's family for organs is the fear that those relatives will be more likely to let the donor die at crucial decision making points. Well, under that logic, you’d have to outlaw all inheritances.

Another argument you will hear: If you let people sell a kidney, you are exploiting the poor as they are the only one’s who will be desperate enough to do so.

Yes, the poor will be the suppliers, but I think it is paternalistic to tell them what they can or cannot do with their bodies. In addition, they could be making a very rationale choice.

Will the money they receive make their family's life far better than? It is easy when you are well off to dictate to the poor the kinds of decisions they should make about their lives. Get off your high horse.

And seriously, do you think the current system doesn’t benefit the rich and well-connected? The minute you have rationing and government control like we do right now, the system is ripe for those who have money and friends to get moved up the list and game the system.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/31489599
:wow:
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:39 PM
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1. Oh. My. God. She wins the award for worst person of the decade.
WHY is it that the rich are such assholes?

WHY can't we take away all her money and give her a cardboard box to live in?

She shouldn't be allowed on the air. Hell, she shouldn't be allowed food and water. She is a waste of oxygen.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:40 PM
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2. She's two out of three
She needs a brain and a heart
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:12 PM
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20. AND she has the money to PAY for them!!!
Just hope they're not from someone who's already using theirs...
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:40 PM
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3. satire?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:18 PM
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22. she forgot the "sarcasm" thingy - I do all the time...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:27 PM
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24. Nope.
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Papa Boule Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:42 PM
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30. It would have been satire, and preposterous satire, 40 years ago
Now it's not.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:41 PM
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4. This proves that just because you've spent some time developing arguments in support of...
Edited on Mon Jun-22-09 02:42 PM by Fridays Child
...an ill-conceived idea doesn't mean that you're obligated to waste paper and ink--or electrons, for that matter.
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:41 PM
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5. "If you could take a life and cure cancer wouldn't you have to do that?"
I think that was the line in the movie.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:41 PM
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6. This a joke..
It has to be a joke..........
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:41 PM
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7. She's become a hardline conservative b!tch since the GOP lost last year
CNBC really should enforce a party neutral policy for all their anchors.

(Get rid of Kudlow with that as well.)
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 12:28 PM
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44. Yes she has
Whenever I catch her on CNBC, she always wants to insert an Obama or Democratic Party slam in there. And the slams are set up as an end of the world level slam. :crazy: CNBC will loose more and more Republican moderate viewers as long as she is on the air as that 20%er material falls flat on the rest of the viewership.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:41 PM
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8. Wow - just when I thought they couldn't go any lower...
I'm surprised she isn't advocating that we harvest organs from minorities.
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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:43 PM
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10. Oh, I don't think she would favor that.
Can't have black blood mixing with her pure blue blood, after all. No, just take them from poor white people.

:sarcasm:

That bitch deserves a special place in hell.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:42 PM
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9. next she'll be saying "why can't the poor sell children for 25K to rich families for services?" nt
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:51 PM
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14. Hey it works in Thailand, Myanmar and Cambodia
Who are we to step in the way of Capitalist Progress???
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:02 PM
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17. Yeah. She probably believes they should. She's a Milton Friedman disciple.
Edited on Mon Jun-22-09 03:02 PM by Joanne98
"They're not child molesters they're customers" lol
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:15 PM
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21. Naw - just by the POUND like a good ROAST BEEF - I hear a nice healthy 3 or 4 year old will feed a
Edited on Mon Jun-22-09 03:19 PM by TankLV
family of four quite nicely - AND the meal's former family will get a nice BONUS for SELLING HER!!! (girls are better meat - the boys are too stringy - they run around too much and all)...

Solve THREE problems at the same time:

Get rid of the hardship of the poor trying to feed their children;
Help the poor make some MONEY;
Get rid of more of the POOR!!!

I SWEAR this is MY own idea!!!

Honest as the day I'm a repuke...!!!
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:05 AM
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42. Reading Jonathan Swift again
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 07:05 AM by happyslug
Jonathan Swift's "A modest Proposal":
http://www.uoregon.edu/~rbear/modest.html

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout.....

As to your three improvements, Swift came up with six:

For first, as I have already observed, it would greatly lessen the number of papists, with whom we are yearly overrun, being the principal breeders of the nation as well as our most dangerous enemies; and who stay at home on purpose with a design to deliver the kingdom to the Pretender, hoping to take their advantage by the absence of so many good protestants, who have chosen rather to leave their country than stay at home and pay tithes against their conscience to an episcopal curate.

Secondly, The poorer tenants will have something valuable of their own, which by law may be made liable to distress and help to pay their landlord's rent, their corn and cattle being already seized, and money a thing unknown.

Thirdly, Whereas the maintenance of an hundred thousand children, from two years old and upward, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a-piece per annum, the nation's stock will be thereby increased fifty thousand pounds per annum, beside the profit of a new dish introduced to the tables of all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among ourselves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture.

Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year.

Fifthly, This food would likewise bring great custom to taverns;....

Sixthly, This would be a great inducement to marriage,.....Men would become as fond of their wives during the time of their pregnancy as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, their sows when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:43 PM
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11. SON OF A B****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh:
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:01 PM
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27. I think just plain bitch will do
There are not enough pejorative words in any language to describe this bitch.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 06:08 PM
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37. As you said.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:43 PM
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12. Is this some Jonathan Swift action here?
She CANNOT be serious!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:45 PM
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13. I thought you were paraphrasing
But no, this is what the woman actually wrote. This is the kind of thing you usually only see at WND.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:51 PM
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15. Lenny Bruce pegged this 50 years ago: "Our morality is what we will agree upon. . ."
Said Lenny:

"That's what the moral concept is. If we agree that killing a few will save the most, then it'll be OK. When there's more demand -- the first thing -- the state insane asylums are going to be emptied out, quick! All died very quickly.

"The sophisticated class, the gentry, will cook with it first:

(whisper)'Listen, I know a place, ya go. . . '

"Then they'll have the farms -- raising people:

That's a good liver, good heart. . .'

"You'll accept it. When it comes right down to the you-go-bye-bye:

'These people don't know anything. They're raised for that purpose.'

'Yeah? You're sure?'

'I'm telling you. They like that.'

'OK. But I wanna paper saying that he gave it up, ah . . .
Oh I can't take the guy's liver and his heart and his balls. All that stuff?'

'Sure. Are you kidding me? He's better off without it. He gets it next time, don't you know that?'
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 02:56 PM
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16. hey what a great idea!!!1
you could create a huge for-profit market for much needed body parts, then kill off burdensome people like your poor relatives etc., sell their organs, and make a TON of money!!11:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :banghead:

this bitch cannot be serious, seriesly1
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:02 PM
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18. This is becoming surreal.
Do people honestly not see the kind of world we've created for ourselves? Somewhere Jonathan Swift is laughing until he cries.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:06 PM
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19. Brave New World! Ayn Rand clone that she seems, she should be ecstatic about this:
Edited on Mon Jun-22-09 03:09 PM by Joe Chi Minh
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:21 PM
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23. ..
from same article:

"One argument against paying the deceased's family for organs is the fear that those relatives will be more likely to let the donor die at crucial decision making points. Well, under that logic, you’d have to outlaw all inheritances."

no, because someone wealthy enough to leave an inheritance very often is making more money the longer they live. Not only do I not see the analogy, I'd just like to add:x( :o ;( :bounce: :mad: :puke: :silly: :wtf: :argh: :freak: :dunce: :hurts: :spank: :wow: :grr: :nuke: :scared: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :puffpiece: :shrug: :kick: :spray: :radio:
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:31 PM
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25. The ONLY way any of this could make sense is to reward organ donors' estates
So, if I check the Organ Donor Box on my Driver's License (which I do anyway), upon my recycling, a fee could be paid to my estate or certain Government fees could be waived while I still live, some sort of incentive for people to donate their organs - but not to the highest bidder.

But, I don't think that's remotely what this zombie auctioneer has in mind......
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 03:55 PM
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26. She just made the best arguement for a redistribution of wealth I've ever heard
Put everyone on a relatively equal playing field then lets see who sells their organs. OMFG unreal. :wtf:
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jmondine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:13 PM
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28. I wouldn't pay two cents for her brain or her heart
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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:27 PM
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29. Ever closer to cannibalism.
She's one step removed from proposing a return to permitting indentured servitude, two from proposing legalizing slavery, and three from seriously proposing eating the poor. Absolutely disgusting.
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mrbarber Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 04:45 PM
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31. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Holy crap, I can't stop laughing.

Whether she's serious or not, this is some funny stuff, something you'd expect to hear on Art Bell or something.

What a nutter.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 05:16 PM
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32. I don't watch that shit for news, but she sounds like a TOTAL sociopath. Just like the rest of em.
:puke:

What's next, telling the poor to sell their kids? :wtf:
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 05:59 PM
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33. I just sent to KO for Worst Person Nom.
There was an interesting documentary about people who sell their kidneys in India.
It is a wide spread system.
Sorta "hello Dolly" except the object is to be a middle man for the donor and the recipient, and make money from it.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 08:18 PM
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34. Starving natives trade away their land. Starving workers trade away their labor. Starving masses
trade away their organs. It's nothing new: the rightwing has been stealing from people in this manner for centuries
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FraDon Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 05:00 PM
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45. Bingo! • That sure sums it up.
And pithily.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 09:46 AM
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35. very illustrative of the CNBC point of view
"screw humanity, people are just another resource to be harvested for consumption"
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 01:35 PM
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36. WTF! In addition to the boatload of crazy, the writing is like a 9th grader's....
"In addition, they could be making a very rationale choice.

Will the money they receive make their family's life far better than?"


WTF?
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 06:38 PM
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38. sure to be adopted by Repubs as cost saving tool for Medicare!
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 06:44 PM
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39. appropo name: "Cruel Devil"
Edited on Tue Jun-23-09 06:45 PM by JohnWxy


HEr remark makes "let them eat cake." sound absolutely humanitarian.

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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 01:56 PM
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40. ttt
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 02:22 PM
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41. geez ... and that's something even eBay won't allow ...
and that's "free market" right there ...
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 03:55 PM
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43. we do need more organ donors
I think the best system would be an opt out system (organs are used unless you opt out) rather than opt in (need specific permission). I think I read that Austria has such a system and there are plenty of organs available there.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:21 AM
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46. That's the wall street mentality.
The only value on life is what it does to the stock price. If it looks good on the books it must be good.
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jerryster Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-03-09 08:15 AM
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47. I'm curious...
since I don't know anything about this woman if anyone knows if she is pro-choice or not. She wrote that she thinks it's paternalistic to tell them what they can or cannot do with their bodies.
Does she have that same belief when it comes to a woman's right to choose?
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