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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:32 PM
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Didn't atleast one person look at a statement from Madoff and say this can't be right.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:34 PM
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1. They assumed he was cheating FOR them, not FROM them. n/t
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:34 PM
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2. Newsday reported that some of his investors figured it was insider trading
And they were okay with it.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:42 PM
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4. I read that also. And now I'm supposed to have sympathy for them???
Maddoff re-wrote the book on the long con.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:37 PM
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3. Remember the late 90s?
Fueled by tech bubble money, the Dow suddenly took off, too. People thought the good times would last forever and that's the kind of return they really deserved.

I'm sure a lot of people thought a 13% per year return on their investments was easy to do legally. They'd done better than that in the stock market in the 90s, right?

I think a lot of people got fooled by the stock run up in the late 90s. The market was never worth that much and the returns were totally unrealistic.

However, it set them up to look for the next big thing, including hedge funds and other Ponzi schemes. Madoff's fund is the tip of a large iceberg.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:45 PM
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5. many did. even some
investors. Their response was, well, we knew he was doing something; we just couldn't imagine he was doing us...paraphrasing. In other words. As long as he's screwing someone else and not me, it's okay. Screw me though and it is a crime.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:53 PM
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6. This guy did..... Busting Bernie Madoff: One Man's 10 Year Crusade
Busting Bernie Madoff: One Man's 10 Year Crusade
Henry Blodget | Dec 17, 08 9:38 PM
The Wall Street Journal has published a detailed account of private fraud investigator Harry Markopolos's efforts over the past 10 years to persuade the SEC that Bernie Madoff was running a gigantic Ponzi scheme (or, at best, was front-running).

Markopolos submitted extensive analysis to the SEC in 2005, which we've embedded below. The SEC did conduct an investigation thereafter, in the course of which Bernie Madoff "mislead" them about the nature of some of his dealings with his primary fund-of-funds promoter Fairfield Greenwich Group.

The SEC subsequently interviewed both Madoff and members of FFG and required both firms to change the way they described their relationship. The SEC says it was specifically looking for evidence of a Ponzi scheme during this investigation, but didn't find any.

An excerpt from the WSJ:

Mr. Markopolos says his suspicions started in late 1999, after a colleague returned from New York with tales of Bernard Madoff's impressive trading gains. Whether the markets were up, or down, Mr. Madoff managed to clock in with steady gains. He reportedly used a strategy of trading stocks as well as various options to protect against losses.

Mr. Markopolos says his bosses liked the look of those returns -- and asked him why he couldn't do the same thing.

Under pressure to deliver, Mr. Markopolos and a colleague at their Boston trading outfit tried to reconstruct Mr. Madoff's purported strategy. Their results paled in comparison.

"It doesn't make any damn sense," Mr. Markopolos, 43 years old at the time, then told a colleague, who confirmed the conversation. "This has to be a Ponzi scheme."

His bosses told him to go back and check his math. After all, Mr. Madoff by that time was renowned as a legendary investor.

Mr. Markopolos turned to Daniel DiBartolomeo, a top financial mathematician in Boston. Mr. DiBartolomeo says he spent hours poring through Mr. Markopolos's data, and ultimately agreed: The strategy Mr. Madoff said he used couldn't have achieved the returns he boasted of.

In early 2000, Mr. Markopolos shared his explosive concerns with Edward Manion, a staff examiner at the SEC's Boston office.

"This sounds serious," Mr. Manion told him, inviting Mr. Markopolos in for a meeting.

In May, 2000, Mr. Markopolos says he sat down with Mr. Manion and an SEC attorney.

Mr. Markopolos argued his case: A key part of Mr. Madoff's strategy relied on buying and selling options on the Standard & Poor's 100-stock index. But Mr. Markopolos said his research showed that weren't enough options on the S&P 100 to support the strategy Mr. Madoff's stated strategy, given all the money he seemed to be managing. So something else must be going on.

Mr. Markopolos, a native of Erie, Pa., who had trained in unconventional warfare as a reservist in the Army, says he came to "consider Madoff a domestic enemy."... Keep reading >

The case fell through the SEC's cracks. Markopolos kept hounding the agency for another five years until 2005, which the SEC requested more information. Markopolos sent them the following 21-page email, which is entitled "The World's Largest Hedge Fund Is A Fraud." (To make easier to read, click the "full-screen" icon in the lower right-hand corner of the player).

http://clusterstock.alleyinsider.com/2008/12/busting-bernie-madoff-one-mans-10-year-crusade
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 10:47 PM
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9. This might go big time soon.
Again bloggers are on it.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:09 AM
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7. I read somewhere (can't remember source/details) that Madoff's SEC filings were problematic
in some way, too...that if investors had been into due diligence, they would have known something wasn't right...

wish i could remember the gist of it...
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 05:42 AM
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8. Self-delete
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 05:44 AM by GliderGuider
Markopolos' story was already posted in this thread.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 11:20 PM
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10. Of course they did. These people belonged to the investment class.
They live and breath economic gobbly gook. They deserve exactly what they got.
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