can someone smart about the markets comment on this GD thread?

[NMDemDist2]

I don't know enough about "puts" and "calls" but wonder if they are on to something. also is there any way to see that the market is betting against? like before 9/11 there were a lot of puts on airlines

anybody care to comment? thanks in advance!

d'oh! edit a add link. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2278395

[Bamboo]

1. What other conspiracy can you name that turned out to be true?

Popular Mechanics did an article debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

4. Popular mechanics article is less than compelling to me

The unanswered questions are very compelling.

As for conspiracy theories proven right, take the Kennedy assanination. It was covered up by the Warren Commission and the evidence kept secret for years. Makes it hard to prove a conspiracy when the PTB hush it up.

[Matariki]

2. I gathered from that thread that it's not known if there are increased

puts in a particular industry. Just overall increase in Dow & Nasdaq. This could be explained by the fact that the Dow is way up this past month, near it's highest levels ever and that, coupled with October being a traditionally bad month for the stock market, might explain why more people would bet against the market (puts).

On the other hand, I have always found the info of short selling of airline stock a week before 9/11 to be VERY interesting.

[On the Road]

3. It is Correct That the Market is Betting on a Drop

Traders are always speculating on the market. Nothing that I saw in that other thread suggests it's anything out of the ordinary. In fact, some people use sentiment indicators as a negative predictor -- in other words, if everyone is putting money on the market declining, it will probably rise.

But there's no reason to talk about this in the same sentence as the Sep 11 airline options. Those options were indeed very, very suspicious -- partly because of the specific companies involved, partly because of the huge volumes (reportedly 25 times normal activity), and partly because they were done anonymously and never claimed. Someone was planning to make a killing, but never dared to show their face after the markets reopened.

Put and call imbalances happen all the time. They can be part of a trading decision, but are not reliable and can turn in an instant. Just the nature of the markets.

[Leopolds Ghost]

5. Never claimed!? What was the point of issuing them?

A person short sells airline stock by purchasing put options, correct?

This person or inside group of investors in the know, reputedly has inside info of a major airline disaster will occur. When it does occur as predicted, said individuals dare not call in their chits for fear of revealing their inside info. If that was so, what was the point in the huge investment to begin with? That's like someone stealing millions of dollars in gold and realizing he doesn't have anyone he can sell it to legally.

[On the Road]

6. Whoever Bought Those $25M in Options

was obviously planning to make a bundle, but cashing them in required anonymity and stealth. The buyer was counting on the fact that everyone's attention was elsewhere the day after the attacks.

What probably happened was that the markets unexpectedly shut down for several days, and when they reopened it was too dangerous to claim the money.

What really reeks about this is that nothing was ever made public. Maybe the options were traced to a shell company in the Cayman Islands opened under a fake name, and the trail just went dead. But there has been complete silence. That is very suspicious.

[teryang]

7. Really the "they were never claimed" is pure horseshit

When you go long on a put or call, your identity is known. Options purchases are placed electronically. It's a simple matter to determine their ultimate purchaser, even if you have to go through a chain of agents. Their broker knows who placed the order. Options positions are typically closed by sale before the expiration date.

The fact that much of this extraordinary activity came from Deutschebank AB is particularly interesting. Once headed by a high level CIA bureaucrat, a DBAB employee was also involved in some shady arms deals in the months prior to 911, and did time for them. This gentleman met with Pakistani ISI agents who discussed within earshot of the FBI surveillance that the WTC towers would be coming down, a year before it happened. The DB CEO Mayo Shattuck III left DB and went to head a Houston energy company right shortly after 911.

This rabbit trail goes right to the heart of the conspiracy and no one is going to investigate it. The obstruction of justice in the investigation of 911 is huge and it comes from within the government, at the very highest levels.

The failure to publicize this financial trail (follow the money)is right up there with destroying the physical evidence at the scene, the fact that Blackstone played both sides of the Building 7 collapse as insurer and claimant, and also owned AMI whose manager not only supervised anthrax victims at the tabloid office but whose spouse provided housing to saudi 911 highjackers. Mike also happened to be involed in CAP at the airport where these terrorists sought flight lessons. According to the press, it's all just a coincidence. Conveniently, government emergency services were moved out of building seven two days before 911. Oh and what plane hit building 7? What happened to anthrax investigation? Who fabricates the phony videos of alleged highjackers released when bushite poll results go south? Why didn't the person playing the ATTA legend know how to speak German? Why didn't Moussaui speak french?

Who created all the air defense exercises on 911 as a deception cover for the real attacks? What was Marvin Bush's security company doing in the towers in the days prior to the attacks. Why is it that rarely seen photos show the effects of cutter charges on main support beams of WTC?

[Buttercup McToots]

8. Soooo

Can anyone tell me what the put options are for tomorrow?
Big? Little? Normal?
Just wondering...