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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-16-05 02:33 PM
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The Great American Job Sellout
Paul Craig Roberts

Americans are being sold out on the jobs front. Americans’ employment opportunities are declining as a result of corporate outsourcing of US jobs, H-1B visas that import foreigners to displace Americans in their own country, and federal guest worker programs.


Another clear indication that outsourcing of US jobs is no small thing comes from the reported earnings of the leading Indian corporations that provide American firms with outsourced IT employees and engineers. During the recent quarter, Infosys’ revenues increased by 53%, TCS grew by 38%, and Wipro was up 34%.


http://www.vdare.com/roberts/050214_jobs.htm
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 10:09 AM
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1. Well Worth The Read
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spikesmom Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:55 AM
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2. No One's Job Is Safe As Long As Fascist George Is In Office
Fascist George is selling out Americans by allowing corporate outsourcing of US jobs, H-1B visa holders and federal guest worker programs- all of these that take jobs away from Americans.He is giving tax breaks to the very ones that should be paying taxes-corporations and the very wealthy. The workers stealing the jobs from the Americans are not paying US taxes either. I have seen some workers in McDonald's that look quite educated and out of their element. Is that what it is coming to - professionals being forced to take minimum wage jobs because the economy is so bad ?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 04:01 PM
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13. I don't see the Democrats putting it on the table, either
They're all terrified of admitting that "free" trade has been a boon to multinational corporations but has nearly busted this country and everyone in it. They're all horrified at the prospect of enacting protective tariffs to conserve jobs and strategic industry within the country because people who have to pay higher prices for imported junk will get annoyed during the lag time between the enactment of tariffs and the rebuilding of domestic industry. They're appalled at the idea of cutting into the corporate profits that have allowed their portfolios to fatten by raising the minimum wage that would be laughably depressed were it not hurting so many families that depend on it.

They'd rather stay out of power, IMO, than take these issues on.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:41 AM
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18. Exactly. This isn't a repuke/democrat issue at all, it is an us/them
and them is in control and will fight to keep it that way.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:23 AM
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3. cos. that offshore jobs
Companies that offshore jobs are traitors to America. Carly Fiorina, the recently fired head of HP, said that Americans have no right to a job. Glad she got fired.




"Prosperity is just around the corner." -- Herbert Hoover
"The economy has turned a corner." -- GW Bush

Herbert Hoover = GW Bush

Neither man cared about the Depression their economic policies created.

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charles_nys Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 10:18 AM
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4. I would not be suprised ....
if we see the bushco admin hiring carly fiorina to work in the DOL


God help us!





Remember Fallujah ~ Bush to the Hague!
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:05 AM
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5. What explains the complacency?
What is the tipping point where Americans get mad as hell and demand a stop to these policies?

I am amazed that there is so little overall awareness and interest in these issues. This tells me that there hasn't been a noticeable impact on that many Americans.

I see the impact on my business everyday. 90% of technology jobs that I see are filled by visa holders. ALL significant software projects are sent offshore.

The opportunity loss to American workers is huge.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:34 PM
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6. just look on DU, breaking news
Look at the stories that get posted and these are fairly
intelligent people who want something done...

they post on Hunter S. Thompson's suicide, killing of a family
by a sociopathic abusive, some farmer feeding his murder victim
to the lions and so on.

It's like people are trained to read(unfortunately)
gruesome everyday news but if you look at any economic post in breaking news on DU,
they get maybe 6 replies, 12 while Hunter S. Thompson goes to 150
just like that.

Even here DU, people are not bothering to even read the stories reporting
the great American Sell out...which is THE story...

and how this continues to go on.

People need to take the time and educate themselves and get past
the jones for a quick comprehension and entertainment fix they seem
to gravitate towards.

It's upsetting really. If you don't bother to educate yourself
and read on these issues...how are you going to possibly be active
to stop the "new world order" from turning you into a serf.

Seemingly the hypnotic propaganda machine and glorious electronic
babysitter has given the masses tunnel vision.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 09:59 PM
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7. There has been a lot of talk. Various states have tried to make laws
that governments will only hire American citizens or people can't teach their foreign replacements their job. But * has promised Inida and Inidan firms that he will do everything he can to make sure no one interfers with Inidans taking IT jobs. And we know how congress follows him hook line and sinker. Another big problem is he is sending the well paying jobs overseas. That is cutting down on the money going into social security.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 04:30 PM
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10. Regarding IT jobs
Don't you wish * would at least acknowledge the issue? I mean a major U.S. industry has dwindled away and * cannot even mention it. He can't even use the word "internet" in a sentence correctly which indicates that he probably was never in one meeting regarding the issue. The government is supposed to protect its citizens militarily but protecting us economically is equally important.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 03:00 PM
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12. I've been waiting for the tipping
point for 5 years.Maybe people think it's inevitable that their jobs are going to China and India.Maybe when the Chinese start outsourcing their jobs to the U.S because we have cheap labor it will dawn on the American people that the big Corp.are selling our way of life to the lowest bidder.
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old_techie Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 03:08 PM
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17. Wait until the trade deficit crashes the dollar.
The "global economy" will come to a screaching halt.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 07:47 AM
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8. We will become a third world Nation before brush is finished with us.
Edited on Thu Mar-16-06 07:48 AM by fasttense
"Economists give assurances that the dollar’s decline and fall will bring jobs and industry back to the US. Once Americans are as poor as Indians and Chinese are today, the process will reverse. Multinational corporations will locate in America to take advantage of cheap labor and unserved markets. By becoming poor, the US can become rich again."

That is brush's and the repukes' plan, to destroy the US economy so they can hire US citizens at $240 a month.

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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-16-06 03:54 PM
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9. I have a simple solution that is being ignored
Edited on Thu Mar-16-06 04:25 PM by djohnson
Well it's not so much a solution as a leap in the correct direction, which went largely ignored when I mentioned it in my state forum.

Why are many frustrated? Because they are not able to do what they want to do. That's the problem. And it relates to freedom. If the government does not want to persuade American companies to hire American workers, at least it can take steps toward helping people get the available jobs they want.

That is what freedom is all about -- doing what you want to do, within reason. Since I went to college with the intent to be a software developer I was hit harder than most anyone else by the government's lack of concern over outsourcing. But at the same time, I see people who have jobs in the computer industry who really don't have the same passion that I have for the field. Job matching should one of the government's top priorities because what we do 40+ hours a week IS our lives -- if we cannot work in a career we want to do we are not free.

We must accept, to some extent, the limited selection of jobs available. But there is no excuse for mismatching people to jobs. As I said there are people I know with I.T. jobs who really do not care about the profession while millions of other people would love to have their jobs. The same must be true in other professions. Why don't they do something else and give their jobs to people who are interested?

There is no reason why the government cannot assist people in finding jobs that suit their interest. We simply need recruiters who work for the job seeker more than the employer. Since private recruiting agencies won't do this, have the department of employment do it. This is integral to living in a free society.

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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 07:46 AM
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11. The problem with this plan is that you assume corporations want the best
fit for the job too. They Do Not. They want the most work for the least amount of money. Usually people who are passionate about their jobs and love what they are doing, rise to the top. When you rise to the top, you cost more. Corporations have already tried this. When most US jobs remained in the US, it encourage workers to find the best fit and do their best so they could rise to the top. But corporations paid a pretty penny for the best.

Now they can go overseas and get 10 mediocre workers for the price of one good worker. The product quality is downgraded but the US market is willing to give up quality for a cut in price.

Since our country is no longer the US of A but the US of corporations, the government will not move on anything that is not blessed by corporate CEOs.

Let's face it, today's US worker is looking just to make enough to keep out of bankruptcy. Most US workers aren't looking for the best fit anymore, they are looking for anything they can get.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 11:19 AM
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15. Most of the world's work is not like that
and were we all to choose what we most wanted to do, we'd likely have a world full of artists and sports players and no carpenters or cooks.

The work of the world is often dull and irritating. People who don't benefit directly from the work they do have been led to believe they'll benefit in terms of being supported and being able to raise families and generally achieving the American dream on wages.

That's the part of the social contract that has broken down. Work is now supposed to be an end in itself and wages a privilege. Earning enough to support one's family is now considered a luxury, a privilege for doing the type of work whose result is directly felt by the wealthy.

Workers are no longer even seen as necessary cogs in the corporate machine. They're actively seen as drains on the corporate funds, to be eliminated if at all possible.

THIS is what we're fighting. Few of us will have the luxury of choosing work that delights us, and even those who do will find that work turning into a JOB from time to time. What we're fighting is the lack of dignity, respect, and support that doing someone else's dirty job used to confer and would confer still in the absence of the cheap labor conservatism that relies on offshoring and importation of illegal immigrants to keep pushing wages down.
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Filius Nullius Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 10:23 AM
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14. Globalism, Outsourcing & Illegal Immigration Forum
We need to have a separate forum on globalism, outsourcing of jobs and illegal immigration. These issues are all tied together After all, is there any greater driving force for illegal immigration than the "outsourcing" of jobs to foreign nationals who come here illegally to work for substandard wages? Outsourcing can occur anywhere, even in this country, if you can find or create a supply of people other than American workers who are willing to work for slave wages.
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old_techie Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 02:50 PM
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16. What does it take to start a separate forum?
Obviously globalism, outsourcing of jobs and illegal immigration are tied together. All the politicians worry about is pitting one group against another or offending somebody or other, when these 3 things are actually a threat to all of us. If you are African American or legal Hispanic you can be disproportionately impacted by illegal immigration. If you are middle class and high skilled you can be replaced (legally) by an H-1B, no questions asked.
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