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Barney Gumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:24 AM
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Madonna stands on one leg. So?
This Gap jeans commercial has Madonna and some black girl rapping for the jeans. It ends with Madonna standing on one leg, while the black girl tries to do a split (badly) and the crew claps at Madonnas ability to stand on one leg.

This is pretty pathetic all around. Comments?
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IIgnoreNobody Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:27 AM
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1. I wish somebody would pay me to stand on one leg.
I wish somebody would pay me to stand on one leg.

The only person I can think of who made a living standing on one leg is Ian Anderson.
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tarkus Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 02:29 AM
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10. And I am paying him $38 to basically see him talk.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:30 AM
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2. That would be
Missy Elliot doing the splits.
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binaryline Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:31 AM
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3. "some black girl" = missy elliott
missy's a pretty innovative hip-hop artist, if ya don't know. i'm also trying to figure out why the commercial ends with madonna in some weird, pink flamingo-esque pose. also: bad, bad theme song. madonna sounds wretched in it.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:36 AM
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5. It's a yoga asana I'm sure but I don't know which one
Hell, I'm just impressed she could do it in high heels.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 09:01 AM
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19. The Tree
looks like a variation of the tree pose...
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:25 PM
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30. i'm impressed she can walk in those heels
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 07:53 AM
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13. because SHE got to have creative control, and is VERY proud of being
so limber and flexible.

She's Madonna. She gets to do what she wants.
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:33 AM
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4. some white girl is with Missy Elliot
Sorry, I couldn't resist. The commercial is terrible.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:45 AM
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6. It's not as bad as..
"I'm from the release the twins foundation", "huh?", "releasing those twiiiins!"

Gawd I hate that commercial.
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binaryline Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:47 AM
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7. yargh!
you're right ;-). it's also not as bad as the "one millon dollars!" commercial for S.W.A.T. but it's still pretty bad.
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anti_shrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 09:40 AM
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20. Every time I heard that
I thought it was a new Austin Powers movie coming out....
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 02:20 AM
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8. her birthday is in 2 days
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 02:28 AM
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9. I think the crew was clapping because of the theme song
not because she was standing on one leg, besides it was just a commercial, and the female rapper is Missy Elliot.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 03:57 AM
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11. Hey, when you're 44
or 45 is it now, see if you can stand on one leg.

And Missy Elliot, this is the first I've seen of her, is a phrasing genius. As good as Ol Blue Eyes. I almost don't want to spoil it by listening to something she's done more complex than selling booty wrapping.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 08:15 AM
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18. Hell, I'm 46 and I can stand on one leg...
Big Deal.
She's got a better bod than me, though. <sigh>
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 02:07 PM
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44. In heels
and of course, she has a better body than you...
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 10:41 AM
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23. I'm 44 and can easily stand on one leg in that pose...
...and I don't do yoga, although I used to do it back in 6th grade.

It's stupid. Madonna should go away. If she doesn't have enough money by now, she will never be happy anyway.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 07:49 AM
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12. Madonna standing on one leg is rather
synonymous with Madonna's whole career, since every thing she does is half-assed.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 07:54 AM
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14. Oh yeah? Compare bank accounts and get back to
me on that!

;)
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 07:58 AM
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15. My God she has "remade" herself again (several levels of skankiness)
Now she is a skank standing on one leg.

Let's look at how she has "remade" herself and created a career with no discernable talent

First she was a street trash skank
then she was a mall trash skank
then she was a clubbing skank
then she was Eurotrash skank
then she was "pregnant"
Now she is a married skank

And once agin she is a skank standing on one leg.

Amazing.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 08:03 AM
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16. I totally agree
she is just one of those people I can't stand but apparently I have to put up with my entire life. x(
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 10:35 AM
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22. Madonna stands for everything ultra conservatives HATE! She
was a single mom, kids by different daddies; sexy, hot, attractive, self made, independent, overtly sexual, confident, assertive;

She IS constantly reinventing herself; it's called marketing! Don't we all laugh at the hair bands who are now fat, pimply and broke and STILL have the same 'style' as they did 20 years ago?

She ain't none of those. She's in the best shape of her life, looks fantastic, has two gorgeous kids, is extremely wealthy, outspoken and spiritual.

I worked on a tour of hers a while back, and she worked HARDER than the rest of us. She showed up on time, worked her ass off, was all business, but still managed to make it fun.

She doesn't do drugs or drink. She's NEVER made a spectacle of herself ever, in public, and her private business of life is completely out of the public eye.

She handles herself with dignity and composure, with a great sense of humor.

What's the problem? She acts better than any politician I've seen.
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:30 AM
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24. Madonna stands for everything Conservatives love: MONEY
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:43 AM
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25. Huh? Madonna didn't loot the US taxpayer funded treasury for her personal
wealth, like the republicans do.

She earned it the honest, democratic way; with hard work and creativity.

She didn't lie, cheat or steal for her fortune. She is HARDLY comparable to a republican.
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:00 PM
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27. I did not compare her to a Republican
Please don't invent words I have not written. And I think many Republicans have earned money without lying cheating or stealing. Though I hate Republicans that is an absurd implication you made. Conservatives love wealth: and she has it.

Pop stars and their slavish supporters are part of the problem of corporate consumer culture. Most Republicans and Democrats love to consume what the corporate masters sell them.

Next someone will claim she is a revolutionary. Wow, a child out of wedlock, and playing up sex--people have been doing that for centuries.
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Jen72 Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 12:49 PM
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47. Just to say...
Madonna hit the British Charts, the summer I turned thirteen, I loved her then and love her now.
I do need any " corporate masters" to sell me her music, I love her because she has written songs that have made me laugh, made me cry and have help me through some very dark times it my life.
I have grown up with Madonna and I am thrilled that she has outlasted her peers.

As for whether she was revolutionary or not, she got people talking, she may not have been the first to talk about sex but she pushed the boundries of what was acceptable. She hates Conservative Republicans as much as anyone on this DU Board and the video all though she withdrew it has put on the same hate list as The Dixie Chicks.
Conservativs may love wealth but the hate Madonna, they hate her work and hate her open sexuality.

So what is she is rich, she loves working and she is very creative so why should she quit and why does earning millions make some one dislikable.

BTW: Missy Elliot is a cool artist too. My taste in music is eclectic, I see music as a individual thing and I had snobbery over it too.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:29 PM
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31. (sarcasm on) You miss the point, radwriter0555...
Madonna is wildly popular. She makes lots of money. The masses adore her. She is therefore evil in the eyes of many DU'ers.

She's capitalistic

She outsells the Dead Kennedys and The Romones and the Shithouse Band of the week.

She is held in the same iconic realm as 60s icons which, according to many DU'ers, are the only musicians that matter.

She is a threat to the music snobs.

Non-Madonna fans sneer, cry, whine: She's not talented. She's skanky. She's this. She's that. She doesn't deserve her fame...

blah blah blah...


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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:37 PM
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35. wyld, pssst, sounds like sour grapes to
me...!

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:41 PM
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36. Just between you and me...
Edited on Thu Aug-14-03 01:41 PM by wyldwolf
... it may be sour grapes. But I've experienced this attitude before from so-called music fans.

An artist must be starving and living off hand-outs to be credible. Once money is exchanged for their talent, they've "sold out."

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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:46 PM
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37. Yeah I know.. I was in the music biz for AGES before I got too old
and tired.

I have always viewed Madonna as an artist not unlike Prince. While I don't always like the pieces they're making, or the performances, I SO SO SO SO SO SO SO appreciate the creativity energy that's put to use.

I compare people like Prince and Madonna to Picasso. I don't like every piece he ever painted, but the artistry and effort and imagination that was involved in each vision? Priceless. I wish I had 1/1,000,000,000th of that talent.

Music ain't always Joey Ramone and Bruce Springsteen. If that were the case, then disco wouldn't be so well loved, and Frank Sinatra wouldn't have been the role model for so many singers. We need diversity.

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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:32 PM
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33. Also, she has an IQ of 140
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:51 PM
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40. THANK YOU!
I was never a big fan, never bought a CD of hers until Ray of Light, but it's pretty obvious to me that she is a great businesswoman and knows how to do her thing.

Don't think so? I'd ask you to look into the careers of Debbie Gibson, Tiffany, Pat Benatar, Cyndi Lauper, et. al.

Madonna is very smart, very hardworking, and knows what her fans want. I also think she has gotten cooler since having Lourdes. She seems mellower and more secure.
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 08:06 AM
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17. It's the yoga "tree pose"
and there's something sacriligious about using it to sell sweatshop threads.
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 09:42 AM
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21. Maybe she's trying to turn Paul McCartney on?
The other girl is Missy Elliot. And the commercial turned me off to her new CD...

Weird.
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catpower2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 12:10 PM
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26. The phrase "some black girl" is totally offensive...
Edited on Thu Aug-14-03 12:11 PM by catpower2000
Especially when that "some black girl" is a musical genius. Try peeking out from under your rock.

Cat

edit: typo
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:25 PM
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29. what was the poster supposed to call her
if he didn't know her name?

I'm in my mid 20's so *TECHNICALLY* I'm supposed to be 'down' with all the hip new stars and such, and I can honestly tell you that I had NO idea who missy elliott was until I read about this commercial a few days ago on another message board.

It has nothing to do with being under a rock, it just the fact that many people have no use for popular culture, 'modern' music, and all the other things that Access Hollywood and Entertainment Tonight say we should be "into".

I haven't watched MTV in over 12 years, don't plan do, and I actually feel quite proud when some "starlett of the week" is in a commercial and I have no idea what her name is, what she's 'supposedly' famous for, or why she's in my face. I don't care about bands, singers, actors, musicians, etc.

And please remember that just because YOU think M.E. is a musical genius and knows who she is doesn't mean that everyone else does, or should.
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catpower2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:31 PM
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32. Uh, how about "Madonna and some other woman"? nt
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:37 PM
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34. "Especially when that "some black girl" is a musical genius."
Edited on Thu Aug-14-03 01:39 PM by opiate69
Care to back that assertion up with some empirical evidence? I'm willing to bet Ms. Elliot wouldn't know the circle of fifths if somebody beat her about the head and shoulders with it.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:47 PM
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38. You can't be a musical genius unless you know the circle of fifths?
Come on.

You don't need to know musical theory, or even read music at all, to make music and be talented at it.

That's a snobbish thing to say, IMO. Circle of fifths indeed (and yes, I know exactly what it is).
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:56 PM
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41. ....
No, you can't be a genius in any field without knowing the basic building blocks of the field. Do you really mean to imply that Missy Elliot is worthy of being considered on the same level as true geniuses like Beethoven, Mozart, Vivaldi, or for more contemporary geniuses, Zappa or Lennon? And while it is true that "You don't need to know musical theory, or even read music at all, to make music and be talented at it.", being talented at something is a far cry from being a genius.
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catpower2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:47 PM
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39. Empirical evidence?
I mean, it's music, it's subjective.

I don't know if it will mean anything to you that Rolling Stone, Spin, CMJ, Blender, the BBC music website, the New York Times record review, the Village Voice, and hundreds of other respected music publications have called her a genius and one of the most talented, prolific, and influential songwriters and producers in the last decade.

I don't know if it will mean anything to you that virtually every music artist currently making music would chop off their left arm to work with her, and have said so in the press.

I don't know if it means anything to you that other producers in both hip hop and popular music have said her production is the most cutting edge and innovative in the field.

Empirical evidence is pretty hard to come by with a subjective thing, but if she's NOT a musical genius, she sure has convinced a lot of people that she is.

But if it makes you feel superior, you go right ahead and think it's bullshit. :)

Cat
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 02:04 PM
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43. .....
I mean, it's music, it's subjective.

I don't know if it will mean anything to you that Rolling Stone, Spin, CMJ, Blender, the BBC music website, the New York Times record review, the Village Voice, and hundreds of other respected music publications have called her a genius and one of the most talented, prolific, and influential songwriters and producers in the last decade.
These are the same people who have been pushing mediocre acts such as The Strokes and the White Stripes as the saviors of rock music? So, I'll just accept the opinion of a bunch of critics with AA degrees in Journalism, not music... nope. When the dean of Julliard shares these sentiments, maybe I'll reconsider my position.
I don't know if it will mean anything to you that virtually every music artist currently making music would chop off their left arm to work with her, and have said so in the press.
Name a few... bonus points of you can name some rock or even metal artists

I don't know if it means anything to you that other producers in both hip hop and popular music have said her production is the most cutting edge and innovative in the field.
How is it cutting edge and innovative? Is she doing something so remarkably different than every other sample-master?
Empirical evidence is pretty hard to come by with a subjective thing, but if she's NOT a musical genius, she sure has convinced a lot of people that she is.
And about 15 years ago, Tiffany convinced a lot of people that she was a musical prodigy...popularity and talent are not mutually inclusive.

But if it makes you feel superior, you go right ahead and think it's bullshit. :)
Nope. Doesn't make me feel superior, but I will go ahead and consider it bullshit. ;)
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catpower2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 02:26 PM
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45. AARGH.
There is nothing I hate more than a music snob. "If the dean of Julliard"...? How is the Dean of Julliard relevant to someone working in popular music? And who are you to decide who should be the arbiter? Are you THAT CONVINCED of your own superiority?

BTW, I guess I get your bonus points, since Blur's Damon Albarn named his DAUGHTER after Missy--I'm fairly certain Blur is a rock band.

Putting a stop to the wasting of the breath in 4,3,2,1...
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 02:38 PM
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46. Lol
There is nothing I hate more than a music snob.and there's nothing I hate more than the abysmally low standards found inmusic today. If that makes me a snob, so be it. "If the dean of Julliard"...? How is the Dean of Julliard relevant to someone working in popular music?Considering that the dean of Julliard might actually know a little about music, as opposed to a bunch of semi-illiterate former MTV interns, I'd say his/her opinion of music would be quite relevant And who are you to decide who should be the arbiter?Oh. I guess you're right. Maybe I'll just go ask the "will work for food" guy down the street to be the arbiter. Are you THAT CONVINCED of your own superiority?No.. I am that convinced of the absolutely horrendous state of modern music.

BTW, I guess I get your bonus points, since Blur's Damon Albarn named his DAUGHTER after Missy--I'm fairly certain Blur is a rock band.Yippie for you...

Putting a stop to the wasting of the breath in 4,3,2,1...Bye! And, don't worry.. you can still continue to buy crappy music to your heart's content.
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:19 PM
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28. beats me
i can do that too. on my tip toes even.

where's the money?
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rene moon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:58 PM
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42. I m a big Maddona fan
I have followed her career for a long time. Why people bag on her is beyond me. Missy Elliott rocks too.
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 01:11 PM
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48. I always liked Madonna because of her attitude
I am a 4 or so years younger than her and always had self-esteem problems. She was one of the first and biggest examples I ever encountered of a woman with a great independent "who gives a shit what anyone thinks" kind of attitude.

I also like how she has changed her looks so much and I tried ashtanga yoga because of her and I love it. I know she has trainers and chefs and all that, but I still like to see an example of a woman that looks fit and good getting older and am trying to emulate that as best I can too. Don't look like her, but at least I won't end up wearing a muu-muu and pink cat appliques and the like!
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