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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 02:34 PM
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Which famous person is most deserving of a PROPER movie done about their life?
I think Ben Franklin is more than due for a movie or series done about his life. Personally, I think Tom Wilkinson HAS to reprise the role he perfected in the John Adams series. He WAS Ben Franklin. Now they need to give Wilkinson a full movie or HBO series to explore Franklin even deeper.

I also want to see a movie done about Bach, or at least a movie that covers the music scene in Vienna in the 16-1700's. In terms of a PROPER biopic, Beethoven needs a movie that doesn't focus on his "last night" or JUST his deafness through the eyes of a supposed copier. He needs the treatment Mozart got in Amadeus.
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 02:37 PM
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1. Tom Paine
I once read that Richard Attenborough wanted to do Tom Paine and the Rights of Man.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:07 AM
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22. ...and Jefferson.
Their lives were intertwined.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 09:22 AM
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32. they need to do what they're doing with the Avengers comic book heros
each founding father gets his own movie of his life leading up to the 1770s. Then one movie about 1775-1776 starring all the actors who portrayed the founding fathers in the previous movies.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 12:16 PM
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34. Or make it like LOST
where it's a 30-part series and each founder gets several flashback episodes. :D
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 01:03 PM
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36. LOL
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 01:04 PM by charlie and algernon
So I guess the Others are the British and the Dharma Initiative is the Native Americans?

Who would be the Smoke Monster?

:rofl:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:37 PM
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42. King George
:D
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 08:08 PM
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2. John L. Lewis
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:17 PM
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7. +1
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:30 PM
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16. Hoffa gets a movie but not Lewis.
It's a shame that industry gets to pick who represents the labor movement.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 12:07 PM
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33. Lewis wasn't corrupt....
The popular view of powerful labor leaders is that they've all been corrupted in some way.

Lewis, on the other hand, was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom among other things. He was a truly great American, and most people don't even know his name.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:24 AM
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18. Along similar lines... James Connolly.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 08:10 PM
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3. Dubya - with painstaking attention to all the coke, booze, AWOLness, sleeping on the job
failed businesses, rude behavior, being raised by vicious parents, skull and bones secretiveness, getting through life with a silver spoon and everything handed to him (hell, even the presidency didn't come to him except at the hands of his dad's cronies, just like all the businesses he ran).

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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:26 PM
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13. What the hell was Oliver Stone thinking...
Oscar-winning Stone has insisted his personal politics did not influence the film, his third about a US president after Nixon and JFK, and that he aimed for an "empathetic" portrait.

"I wanted to understand the man," the director told CNN's Larry King this week.

"I couldn't make a movie with hate or malice. There is none in this movie. I see the guy as more like John Wayne,
which is to say I don't like his politics but he's endearing in a strange, goofy, awkward way, and he did capture the imagination of the country."

Some critics appeared surprised by Stone's restraint.

"For a film that could have been either a scorching satire or an outright tragedy, W. is, if anything, overly conventional, especially stylistically," writes Todd McCarthy in Variety.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/republicans/3155424/Oliver-Stone-George-W-Bush-biopic-rushed-to-cinemas-before-US-election.html
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:21 AM
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28. "I'm a hack director who wouldn't know character depth if I stepped into it up to my knees."
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 08:27 AM by Richardo
...well, if he were honest he'd be thinking that.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:19 AM
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26. Yes. nt
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 08:11 PM
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4. I'm with you on Franklin - he's a fascinating man. I'd also like to see one on Teddy Roosevelt.
Another fascinating man. And Churchill.

And Frank Zappa.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:17 AM
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24. Theo R, Winston Churchill and Franklin and Eleanor R are just about THE most fascinating
people to read about. I never tire of them.

I would like to see a good movie about Churchill's Christmas in Washington in '41.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 08:11 PM
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5. Only one obvious choice
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:25 PM
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12. Starring....
but only in the "after" scenes. Maybe Maggie Gyllenhaal can play the young Carrot top.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 04:03 AM
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20. scheduling SoxFan for ass kicking
egregious
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 08:14 PM
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6. Sir Winston Churchill.
A very interesting life, a huge player in modern history, if only done justice by the proper screenwriter and director.

The actor to play him...that's a toughie.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:23 PM
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9. +1
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:14 PM
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48. None better. He, TR, FDR and ER are tops with me. nt
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:22 PM
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8. I was going to say Hunter S. Thompson...
but they already made Caligula.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:23 PM
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10. If we're doing Enlightenment figures, I'd vote for Jemmy Madison, our first emo president.
However Galileo Gallilei was a fascinating and politically sophisticated career man. The twists and turns of his life are amazing.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:18 AM
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25. Capt. Hilts is totally a Madison Girl. He's my guy. nt
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:24 PM
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11. Arthur Rubinstein. Great pianist and party animal.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:14 PM
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47. He gave Katharine Hepburn tips on piano playing for "Song of Life" in which
she plays Clara Schumann. Pianists consistently praise her playing.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 10:24 PM
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55. Didn't know that!
I saw Arthur give a full recital when I was in high school, in 1970.

I believe he was a pup of EIGHTY TWO at the time.

I can see this one as a movie too: Vladimir Horowitz, Arthur Rubinstein, and Art Tatum swapping licks and stories.

I was told that these three hung out together by a guy I went to law school with, who happened to be Max Goberman's nephew. I didn't know Max Goberman was a famous conductor until I met Mike. Max got the job as musical director on West Side Story from Lenny, through the Abraham Lincoln Brigade connection.


They have already done the warts and all on Jacqueline du Pre called "Hilary and Jackie". It included hubby's other family with a Russian pianist lady in France. I don't think that little bombshell came out until after Jackie died in 1987. I dragged my child and husbo to see the movie because I was damned lucky. I saw Jackie play LIVE, the Elgar Concerto in 1968 or so, when she and Barenboim were the hot young couple of the classical world. She only recorded for a brief time - six years. I think she came to Houston because one of her mentors was Sir John Barbirolli. He was from London and a cellist. He was nearly dead then but still conducting the HSO sometimes.

Emily Watson did an excellent job portraying Jackie and how her senses got worse and worse.

Jacqueline duPre was the hottest fiddler of the 20th century. I mean "hot" as in "burning up a ton of energy while fiddling". She was always throwing her long blonde hair back before a heavy down bow. More charisma and joie de vivre than anybody else, practically.
Charisma levels up there with a few politicians, like Bill Clinton.


Damn I was lucky to live in the big city where the big name acts came thru.
I also heard two REAL orchestras: Cleveland and the Royal Philharmonic.


You'd never know I'm a classical freak would ya?
:D
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:32 AM
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59. I was told the Cleveland and Vienna Symphonies were the two best. What a thrill to
hear Horowitz play! "Horowitz in Moscow" is something I really need to own.

If you know piano, then you must see "Song of Love." Not a very good movie, BUT pianists really praise her playing as the most authentic on film. Still do. Arthur R said only he knows where Hepburn ended and his playing began. Rubenstein provides the soundtrack.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_5_5?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=horowitz+in+moscow&sprefix=horow
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 07:55 PM
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64. Grew up in Cleveland...was proud as heck to show off Severance Hall to BeverlyHills friends
Cleveland is one of the most supportive cities of fine arts and music.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 02:51 AM
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68. This was in Houston.
Saw the Royal Philharmonic with Lawrence Foster cond. in 1970. It shook up the Houston music world.
Based on that appearance, Houston eventually hired Foster.

Saw Cleveland in Houston with Lorin Maazel in the mid 70s. I was playing in an excellent community orchestra and they had comp tickets. They either did Brahms' second or Brahms' Fourth, I don't remember which. Fiddler's heaven, of course.

Houston was immature in the 60s. Lots of oil money but no taste. They were so conservative they didn't want to hear Carl Nielsen!! And Mahler was suspect.

They fired Andre Previn when he was chasing Mia Farrow in 1968. He was 40, she was 22. She was separated from Frank Sinatra, and world-famous because she was the star of Rosemary's Baby. They canned Previn with no notice at all. Of course, they probably didn't like some of his programming, like the Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima, where the celli do a low vibrato that really does sound like a B-24 bomber flying low....

Previn was just too brilliant, and too versatile and too much of a skirt chaser for their tastes. He was slumming. He went to Pittsburgh and London, and left the oil money hicks behind.
I heard that since then they have preferred homosexual conductors so they don't have scandals like Previn and Farrow having twins out of wedlock.

Like Christoph Eschenbach. Sacre bleu!

Houston is far less provincial now.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:32 PM
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78. Houston has a great opera company. And a Houstonian buddy of mine, who
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 08:32 PM by Captain Hilts
has a phd in classical music saw Previn out on the town with Farrow!!!!

He and the wife he ditched for Farrow still perform together.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:26 PM
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14. Chuggo.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:29 PM
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15. Bayard Rustin
Fascinating person who lead an exciting life. It's time he be given his proper place in history.
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Tabasco_Dave Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 11:41 PM
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17. Abolitionist, John Brown
A positive movie that would really piss of the neo confederates.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 07:57 AM
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57. I've thought for some time that a really good movie about the Harper's Ferry raid should be made
Get into the politics that led up to it, but mostly focus on the tragic drama of that debacle as it played out.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 03:38 AM
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19. Caravaggio.
I know there's an 80s film about him, but I've never seen it. He seems to be en vogue these days, and like Mozart his life was as fascinating as his talent.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:01 AM
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21. Langston Hughes
a truly great American poet
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BethCA66 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 01:07 PM
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37. +1 and Zora Neale Hurston, James Baldwin, Black Elk n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:16 AM
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23. Ben Franklin rocks. Our first rock star. Twain's the 2nd. nt
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:19 AM
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27. Mark Twain
One of the most remarkable, triumphant, tragic lives ever lived by a single person.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:16 AM
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58. I agree, but I don't think one movie could do his life justice
I would think a trilogy (at least) would be necessary, one focusing on his early life in Hannibal, his riverboat experience, his desertion from a ragtag Confederate unit and time out West up to his trip to the Holy Land/Europe; the second film would focus on the double-edged nature of his "rock star" years (as one biographer put it) as a writer/lecturer; the final one would focus on the tragedy of his his last couple decades (bankruptcy, tour of the world, death of his wife/brother/two daugthers).
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:23 AM
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29. Dolly Madison
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:16 PM
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50. PBS is about to do an American Experience on her.
The AE program on Eleanor Roosevelt was not long enough.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 08:59 AM
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30. Shirley Chisholm.
Edited on Tue Apr-20-10 09:00 AM by BlueIris
Mostly so people will learn to start spelling her name correctly. And by people I mean me.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:15 PM
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49. She would be a VERY interesting choice. nt
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 09:04 AM
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31. Neils Bohr.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 12:19 PM
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35. Carrie Nation
:o
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 04:36 PM
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38. Roberto Clemente
I remember reading a biography of him as a kid and thinking it would make a great movie. The guy went out on top--exactly 3,000 hits. Died on a humanitarian mission. Even an as Orioles fan (who lost in 1971 in good part to Clemente) you have to tip your hat to that.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:17 PM
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51. Ted Williams' life would also be interesting. nt
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 04:48 PM
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39. I could see an HBO mini series about Franklin.
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Tom_Foolery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 04:49 PM
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40. Roy Orbison.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:11 PM
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41. Whoever founded MOTOWN
The late 60's and early 70's MOTOWN music was only the best tunes EVER on planet earth...imho. The story of how he pulled that talent and sound together and made it so good would be a great story.

Around Xmas '65 I happened by the Longbeach Arena to see the likes of the Supremes, Jackson 5, Shirelles, Four Tops, Stevie Wonder, The Ronettes and more, all on stage the same night...just Awesome.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 06:58 PM
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43. That would be Berry Gordy.....
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:08 PM
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44. Theodore Roosevelt!
The title would be:

"Tales From the Bully Pulpit!"
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:17 PM
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52. +1 for not calling him "Teddy," which he HATED. nt
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:10 PM
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Abraham and Mary Todd Lincoln
Must have been a hell of a life together.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:10 PM
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45. Abraham and Mary Todd Lincoln
Must have been a hell of a life together.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:10 PM
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46. Abraham and Mary Todd Lincoln
Must have been a hell of a life together.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 10:13 PM
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54. They did a PBS series that was more about her.
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 05:53 PM
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62. Spielberg is doing a biopic on Lincoln, starring Liam Neeson and Sally Field
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 08:50 PM
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65. Sally Field does well playing crazy.
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flying rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-20-10 07:57 PM
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53. Pablo Piccasso
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JoDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 07:41 AM
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56. Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle,
Veronica Lake
Anias Nin
Eleanor of Aquitane
Julia Child (You said "proper movie". "Julie and Julia" doesn't count.)
Coco Chanel (Something that delves into her life as a business woman and artist. All the recent movies seem to focus more on her love life.)
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mikeSchmuckabee Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 04:42 PM
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60. Oppenheimer or Feynman
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 05:44 PM
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61. Richard Feynman was a fascinating guy, perhaps the smartest man of his century.
And damn funny, too.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 06:06 PM
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63. I'd like to see a movie about Dick Cheney which really exposes him
An intimate portrait of him from his childhood to the present. Including a comprehensive look at his wife Lynn and his children.

All of it based on documented fact.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 02:22 PM
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72. Exposing Dick? Oh come on!
:rofl:
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 09:09 PM
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66. Marcus Garvey, and the Universal Negro Improvement Association
which at it's high point in the 1920s had 4 million members.

Garvey founded his own shipping line, but was run down by young J. Edgar Hoover, and deported to his native Jamaica, where he founded a religion that became known as Rastafarian.

There is so much fascinating history out there that has never been touched by movies.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 11:27 PM
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67. Thomas Jefferson!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 08:21 AM
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69. This country and the world is owed an ACCURATE account of the Bush Family.
That bio-pic would also do the most good in the world.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 09:25 AM
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70. Poet Arthur Rimbaud led an interesting life.
I think it could make a good movie.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 02:18 PM
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71. Margaret Sanger.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 02:45 PM
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73. Edgar Allan Poe. There's a pretty good novel about his death
where the hero investigates Poe's life and influence and influences while trying to figure out how he died. Kind of like "Immortal Beloved" or "Amadeus." The biography part is fascinating, but the story is average. I'd like to see a good retelling of his actual life, without the exagerated opium stories and "mysterious" death stuff.

In some ways he's an American Vincent van Gogh--a passionate artist whose contributions were ridiculed in his lifetime but whose influence after death changed his field. Poe invented the detective story, and a lot of people don't realize that Arthur Conan Doyle was imitating his C. Auguste Dupin with Sherlock Holmes. Considering that Raymond Chandler copied Sherlock Holmes, and Ian Fleming used Chandler's Philip Marlowe for James Bond, and that most modern detectives are a descendant of Marlowe in some ways. Not to mention his influence on the horror genre.

Great writer, interesting life.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:14 PM
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77. didn't know that about Doyle. Your post is a great example of what I love about DU.
And a good movie about Poe might very well be popular.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:15 PM
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74. Nikola Tesla, Charles Steinmetz
And how Edison and Marconi stole their inventions
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 04:44 PM
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75. MOTHER JONES
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 06:11 PM
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76. Eugene Ballard. First African American pilot who flew in World War ONE. An amazing life
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 06:11 PM by KittyWampus
he was also a prize fighter. Left home early and lived with gypsies, stowed away on a ship to Europe.

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klm55500 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:05 PM
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79. martin van buren
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