This Is Not Very Liberal To Say...

[SPKrazy]

but FUCK child molesters.... just fuck them!

put them all on an island and let them fend for themselves.

better yet an island surrounded by shark infested waters

way in the hell away from anyplace they could reach

an island with few natural resources

leave them there

:grr:

like I said, not very liberal of me, but so fuckin' what!

[XemaSab]

1. I was thinking a fortress with a moat full of alligators

Wanting to keep children safe is not a liberal value or a conservative value, but a HUMAN value.

Since these people cannot be rehabilitated, just stick 'em somewhere for the rest of their lives.

No need to make said fortress horrible, they can have books, decent food, free movement, and so forth... but once they are there they are NEVER getting out. And when they die you can just throw the bodies in the moat as an example.

[EastTennesseeDem]

2. I guess I'm not a liberal either then

I think one comedian said "If you hurt a child, I no longer care about your rights."

[Lil Missy]

3. Why the hell is abhorring child molesters not liberal?

That is disturbing.

[SPKrazy]

5. maybe it isn't

it's one group I won't stand up and say they deserve anything

[Flaxbee]

7. because they are usually mentally ill, but have managed to

shield it from everyone else. We try to help and understand, as liberals, even when we are completely, utterly repulsed. Though I have no idea what I would do, or my husband would do (probably the most liberal person I've ever met) if we discovered someone had abused our child. Beliefs vs. feeling.

Most of these people need real help. And probably can't ever be trusted near children, ever.

We should study them and try to understand why they are 'off'. Not in a 'study-the-bug-under-the-microscope' kind of way, but humans should understand why these people behave the way they do.

But then what do we do, if we can find a gene, or a trigger, or some other factor that makes adults abuse children? Do we test everyone? Isolate them? Are there some who are real, hardcore pedophiles (say, akin to crazy-ass serial killers) and some who are just opportunistically abusive because a certain situation presented itself (say, like those who commit voluntary manslaughter)? What makes someone sexually abuse their own child, vs. the random kid on the playground?

It's a real problem, horribly often not discovered until some child has been abused.

There is a pretty decent percentage of humans who are truly fucked up - and what the hell can society do about them, except allow them to damage one (or more) people until they're caught?

[XemaSab]

13. I think that declaring child molesters as mentally ill

is an insult to the TRULY mentally ill.

I would suspect that in most respects child molesters are just like you or I, and that's what makes them scary.

Also, declaring them mentally ill implies that they are in need of treatment. They are not in need of treatment, they are in need of sequestration from the rest of society.

[Left Is Write]

44. You're right.

As far as I'm aware, there is no evidence to suggest that child molesters can be "cured."

[Flaxbee]

47. doesn't mean that they're not mentally ill

murderers are mentally ill quite often, too. And many can't be cured, either.

[Flaxbee]

48. no, you are wrong. They are mentally ill, but in a way that

happens to repulse people more than usual. Murderers are mentally ill; is it an insult to those who are more benignly mentally ill to say so? Or is it just OK to vilify child molesters? What about people who torture animals? Or arsonists who burn people alive? They're mentally ill, but someone who molests or rapes a child isn't?

What child molesters do is horrible. There is no excuse. But there is something *mentally wrong* with an adult who sees a child as a sex object (though, take a look at Calvin Klein ads with a barely pubescent Brook Shields - a decades old example - and tell me society doesn't sexualize children). What else would you call it, if not that they're mentally ill?

My family is chock-full of psychiatrists (lucky me), and believe me, child molesters (some of whom were treated while in prison by family members who are psychiatrists) are mentally ill.

[Left Is Write]

50. Not all murderers are mentally ill.

Some people really just don't care what they do to others.

[Flaxbee]

52. True, but that would probably mean they're sociopathic

...if a person lacks any sense of compassion, feeling, or care in or about your fellow human beings, um, you're mentally ill. F*cked in the head.

But I guess I wonder what people think should happen to molesters? And isn't it our responsibility to try to find out why some people do these things, in case we can prevent it from happening if we know why it happens?

And then what happens if it's something that can be tested for, like the breast cancer gene. Do we then make everyone take the test?

I'm certainly not trying to excuse abhorrent behavior. But if we could treat the urge to molest children as an illness, for which perhaps a pill could be developed to treat the problem, wouldn't that be best?

Just telling the world that these people are scum and tossing them away isn't going to prevent it from happening. Maybe studying the illness would.

[Deja Q]

35. That makes sense, but the victims of their atrocities end up with mental illness or worse too.

Trust me; our "progressive" society sometimes puts too much emphasis on just the wrong people.

And, yes, I am biased. I am a survivor of such (unable to say in public) molesters. What they do is unconscionable and for me there IS a line. There comes a time when mental illness is NO excuse. Child molesting is one of them.

I especially love the excuse "I was molested as a kid, so I'll do it to" or whatever. It doesn't fly. I was molested, assaulted, and some other things I really don't want to go into detail with, and that's no justification for me to do the same onto children.

Why would an adult want to touch a child's undeveloped genitalia in the first place? And why should we care? It's wrong. End of story.

[Flaxbee]

51. Of course it's wrong.

But then what? It's not the end of the story. I guess I'm curious about what people think society should do with such people?

Edit: the reason we should care, is that perhaps we can determine whether or not there is a way to prevent it from ever happening to anyone else.

[Withywindle]

4. Who's going to argue with you?

Frakkin' revolting.

I feel bad for people who have those fantasies and can't shake them. That has GOT to suck. Me, I got in trouble because I wasn't attracted to kids even when I was one, therefore went through a jailbait phase pursuing those I DID find attractive, who were in their 20s and 30s. :blush:


But...prepubescents? UGH. Worse than bestiality, IMO. :puke:

[bluesbassman]

6. You know, Jesus was a pretty compassionate dude,

and a Liberal too the way I read the Bible. So if the same man who said you should "forgive seventy times seven" also said "It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones". I think that about sums it up.

[PaddyBlueEyes]

8. As someone who deals with this on almost daily basis

I completely concur....:thumbsup:

[amitten]

9. Nothing ruins a life like sexual abuse. It is beyond terrible.

I watch the show "Intervention" a lot--it's about chronic drug abusers and alcoholics, and how their families try to help them.

At the root of almost every REALLY bad substance abuse case is an incident of sexual abuse. It simply destroys peoples lives--often beyond repair. It is unbelievable what the victims go through.

I have but one recommendation for the "rehabilitation" of child molesters and rapists:

Chop it off.

[Deja Q]

34. The gonad or the skull? Decapitation is fine by me.

Any liberal here can hate me all they want. Having been victimized by more than one molester during my childhood, I refuse to give (I can't say it in public) even a damn minute.

Maybe more liberals - or people in general - should fathom how the victims live, instead of bestowing tears onto the vermin that do the sick deeds.

And I need to finish that book one day...

[amitten]

36. I'll help you hold the guy to make sure you don't miss. :)

I'm very very sorry that you suffered through that kind of victimization. I hope you know in the deepest levels of your being that it was not your fault, and that the perpetrators were mentally sick people.

:hug:

And I believe in karma. Those people will one day understand what they put you through.

[Zavulon]

10. As someone who is a Democrat but not really a liberal,

I echo your sentiment. If a person can look into the eyes of a child and decide that his (or her) need to molest the kid outweighs the kid's need and right not to be molested, then the person gets no sympathy from me at all, no matter what the excuse is.

[amitten]

37. You're damn right. Anyone who hurts the helpless is evil. n/t

[Robeson]

11. As someone who is liberal, and a Democrat, I feel that my....

...and your tax dollars should lock them away in an institution, where they can do no further harm.

[MrSlayer]

12. I'm quite liberal and I want them to get the Death Penalty.

I don't live my life by what is accepted by liberals or not. I would happily pull the switch on these motherfuckers myself and never lose a wink of sleep. Hell, I would happily mutilate them first. Being liberal doesn't mean you have to be soft on those who deserve no mercy. I don't have to have compassion or empathy for those that have none for their victims. Kill them.

[MicaelS]

19. Agree 100%

But I think a firing squad, in the public place of execution next to the local courthouse, at high noon, is much more appropriate punishment. Then make sure it's shown on the local TV news at noon, six and ten as a lesson to other that might "feel the urge."

[Deja Q]

31. Ditto. 100%. And, like you alluded to, always think for yourself.

For many reasons, many of them personal, child molesters deserve gruesome deaths. What they do is unconscionable and it affects the lives of their victims in many ways.

And if a "liberal" won't throw the switch to rid the world of such filth, I will.

[chknltl]

14. KnR

Kids and pets depend on us adults for their safety, for their education, for their comfort and to provide a place where they can be happy. Adults who betray this trust are truly sick imo and deserve to be dealt with harshly!

I dunno what the penalty should be for convicted child molesters, (or pet abusers either) I am not down with capital punishment for any reason nor do I believe in cruel and unusual punishments such as the chopping off of body parts. There is yet tooooo much child molestation going on though so whatever the punishment may be these days it is not working well enough imo as a deterrence.

There HAS to be a better way, perhaps some form of preventative measure. Maybe better forms of early childhood education so that kids can quicker recognize and know how to deal with molesters they may come across could help a little. Perhaps longer jail times for those convicted of this crime could help deter a few of these guys or keep the busted ones off the streets longer.

I truly have no answers but I would like to see a nationwide adult discussion on this problem, surely there are better answers out there.

[Jamastiene]

15. I don't think you'll get much argument on that one.

Recommended.

[Midlodemocrat]

16. I'm an uber leftie, but I'd tear them apart with my bare hands if I could.

Fuck them all straight to Hell.

[FedUpWithIt All]

17. I have long felt that child molesters should be chemically castrated.

It is when a perp is given a female hormones which eliminate their sex drive. It also lowers (significantly) aggression, obsessive sexual fantasy, compulsive sexual behavior.

I have been told that it violates their human rights.


Personally, i think something like chemical castration violates less of their human rights that the instinctual things non offenders WANT to do to child molesters. Regardless, SOMETHING needs to be done. Children who suffer this type of abuse grow up with their own smorgasbord of issues and the whole situation really has consequences that are too far reaching for us to continue punishing it with slaps on the wrist (child molesters sometimes get less jail time than petty theft and Marijuana possession).

[Midlodemocrat]

20. It also doesn't work.

They can simply stop taking the drugs. I think they should be drawn and quartered, personally.

[FedUpWithIt All]

22. I feel that an option of chemical castration would allow mentally ill people an alternative to priso...

Yes, they can stop taking the meds. They can also stop reporting in as per Megan's Law. They can stop reporting to their PO or their court ordered therapist. People don't always comply with the laws attempts to limit their destructiveness. It is no reason to scrap the attempts.

[Midlodemocrat]

24. When did this become a conversation about the mentally ill?

I thought we were talking about pedophiles. And, no, I don't think of them as mentally ill. They're evil sick fuckers. To claim they are mentally ill does a disservice to those who are truly mentally ill.

[FedUpWithIt All]

25. Then we disagree.

I think there is serious mental illness at the core of the majority of child sex abuse cases.

I apologize for snapping in my previous post. This subject is a difficult one.

[pipi_k]

29. what about a seven year old boy who has molested other kids?

I have a friend whose grandchildren are in her custody. Their mom was/still is a crack addict. Both kids are seriously screwed in the head.

The boy has attempted all sorts of things with other kids, including molesting and trying to drown one in a swimming pool when he was only about six or seven.

Are little children "evil"?

I prefer not to think so.

He was a mentally ill child who will grow up to be a mentally ill adult. He will never be "normal". Ever. He may molest some more, or even kill someone when he grows up.

Evil?

or an unwilling product of a mom who fucked up his head before he was even born?

This isn't a black and white issue...

:shrug:

[Midlodemocrat]

30. The OP was referencing adults and pedophiles.

:eyes:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

23. I'm with you

[Bucky]

18. What they really need is some kindness, nurturing, and understanding

Perhaps repeat offenders should get a stern talking to, but not so bad as to traumatize them. No "cruel and unusual" and all that...

[Deja Q]

32. The victims, yes? You surely cannot be talking about the filth that do the molesting.

I sincerely hope not.

You want to know what's cruel and unusual? IT'S WHAT THEY DO TO OTHERS.

"Suffer the death of thy neighbor" - if the vermin thought of that they wouldn't engage in their depraved desires and those who were molested wouldn't have the scars. And that's as much emotion as I'm going to give in their favor.

I am so sick of criminals getting good treatment; those of us victimized having to live with conditions you obviously know jack shit about.

[SPKrazy]

43. they are sick

and they may be made up differently

but the way they are made up is not acceptable in this society.

not at all

I wouldn't go for that at all

especially repeat offenders, slow torturous death for them.

a drunken one time thing with someone who wasn't pre-pubescent, maybe something less.
Depending on the age differential I guess in that case too. I mean an 18 and a 15 year old, maybe not such the big deal, but a 40 year old and a 15 year old, let's get real.

a 40 year old and an say 8 year old, if its my 8 year old, I'll tear their heart out with my bare hands

then feed it to the dogs.

feed the body to the hogs

no quarter

[LynneSin]

21. can we unleash ticks that are inflicted with the plague onto the island too

I'm feel the same exact way.

[pipi_k]

26. I've struggled with this for years

my daughter (and a few other little girls as well) was sexually molested by a BIL in the early 1980s.

I know logically that it's a real "sickness" in them. My head knows this.


but my heart sees the damage that was done.

I want to "forgive" the molester for MY own sake. So I don't carry hatred around in my heart. It will only hurt me in the end.

But damn...there are still times when I also want to kill the dirty bastard for what he did.

having mixed emotions just sucks.

[FedUpWithIt All]

28. ...

:hug:

[av8rdave]

27. An idea that has floated around in my head for some years...

Castration. OK, OK, before the flaming begins, hear me out.

I realize that would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment. But what if, upon conviction, a molester was given a choice?

A harsh prison sentence (btw, child molesters usually don't do too well in prison), or give them the option of a lesser sentence accompanied by surgical castration.

I'll be the first to say up front that I am no expert on the subject, and I don't know if that would necessarily even solve the person's problem.

Just a random thought. I agree with the previously posted sentiment that they must be prevented from doing further harm in any way possible!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

33. Sadly, this wouldn't.

All they would have to do it get their hands on hormone suppliments and everything is back to square one. :(

[av8rdave]

38. I guess that isn't much of a solution, then....

oh well, it was an idea

[baldguy]

39. The desire to protect those in our society who are defensless is a very liberal attitude.

[Danger Mouse]

40. I have seen its impact in my line of work.

I have a hard time feeling much sympathy for child molesters. Or ANY sympathy. Or anything other than revulsion.
I don't condone killing them, but I do condone removing them from the rest of society.

[sammythecat]

41. wrong place xx

[sammythecat]

42. Is there anyone here that is NOT outraged by child abuse?

Anyone?

I don't think so.

So why this circle jerk of righteous anger?

[nomorenomore08]

46. Maybe it's just people venting about things that upset, discomfort, anger them.

Doesn't necessarily mean they're trying to make themselves look righteous or anything. I mean, everybody here (hopefully) knows that brutalizing a child in this way is one of the worst things a human being can do.

[SPKrazy]

45. having experienced my own abuse

I have strong feelings, resentments even that I have not been able to put to rest.

I've fantasized about finding the person(s) and taking them out.

I don't because at this point, it is pointless.

I have to live with what happened. I have put it in its perspective and find myself with an anger towards molesters.

I have also looked at what makes them that way. Why did they pick me? Or others.

Availability, false trust, power, fear, all things that were there then. Things that haunt me now.

This is probably a part of my reaction to my friend's dilemma. However, I am so angry at someone I don't know because they have hurt someone that is important to me. They have been hurt and they are important to her.

My head is spinning. I only hope that the kids are safe. Their mother is well. Their Aunt is okay. Their father is locked up. And that they have a night of peace if possible.

thanks

[crimsonblue]

49. It's too easy to be emotional.

Humanity would be much better served if we sought to understand why people do the things they do. That being said, the sexual assault of minors (or anyone, for that matter) is abhorrent.