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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:19 PM
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Cat declawing question
I have two cats that are about a year and a half old. I got them with my bf at the time and he was very against declawing. Well, now we broke up, and I'm the one stuck with the claws. They've done a number on the carpet, but I can fix that. I just don't know if I can go through this for the rest of their lives.

Are they too old to be declawed now (at 18 months)?

If yes, does anyone have a good solution to keep cats from clawing at the carpet under a closed door?

Thanks!
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:21 PM
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1. See this:
http://www.softclaws.com/

Just might be what you need for kitty.
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:35 PM
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12. Thanks!
I checked it out and I will definitely order. I wish I knew about these sooner!
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:22 PM
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2. Declawing is painful and abusive.
It's like taking your fingers off at the knuckle.

Talk to your vet about doing softpaws- they're little silicone caps that go over their claws. Or you can just keep them trimmed.

As far as clawing at the carpet at closed doors goes, cats hate closed doors. Unless there's some vital health and safety reason to keep an interior door closed, the obvious answer is to leave them open enough that they have access to their entire living space.
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:28 PM
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7. We have different ideas about what time
is a good time for getting up. I do let them sleep with me, but as soon as the sun comes up, they're up and wanting breakfast. I leave out dry food at night, but I guess it's just not as good as fresh breakfast (I've worked through this for a while. I'm at their mercy).

I do have the special trimming scissors, so I guess I'll just have to use them more often. It feels like catch-22, the more I trim them, the more they scratch.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:51 PM
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28. Have you looked into programmed feeders?
I believe you can actually program the thing to give out food at a certain time.
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:16 PM
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34. Yes, that worked for a while
But then they realized that the food is inside the whole time and decided 3 am was a good time to try and get the food out. You should see that thing now, it's all covered with claw marks. I've started leaving out a bit of dry food, but they are still more interested in real breakfast.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 01:06 AM
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42. It sounds like you're not really prepared to deal with normal cat behavior.
This is a bit like having a baby, then wanting the baby's vocal cords cut because it cries in the morning before you're ready to wake up.

Honestly, if you're not equipped to deal with perfectly normal cat behavior, and adjust your routine somewhat when needed to get along with your fuzzy housemates, you should see if the ex-boyfriend would rather take the cats, or try to place them with somebody else. Surgery is not a reasonable solution to this problem.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:22 PM
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3. Not a good idea
Better to just clip their claws. Never clip more than half way, though, or it can harm the cat.

Good luck. :hi:

http://www.catscratching.com/htmls/article.htm

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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:22 PM
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4. NO cat should be declawed. It is inhumane. DON'T DO IT!
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 10:26 PM by Skip Intro

Get them a scratching post or many scratching posts.

Declawing them is a heartless, torturous thing to do to them. It harms them and is painful, and if they ever get outside of your home, they are defenseless.

Declawing is like cutting your fingers off at the first knuckle.

DO NOT DECLAW THEM!

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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:30 PM
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9. This is why we didn't in the first place
When I was growing up, we had our cats declawed...I didn't know anything about it then. But I did learn, so we decided to keep the claws.

If this were my own house, I'd be less concerned (or I'd get all wood floors), but since I'm renting right now, the carpet situation is a big frustration.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:35 PM
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11. I'm sure, and I do understand, but you have to take declawing off the table. It is not an option.
Google alternatives to declawing. Or as someone said above, find them another home as a last resort.

Don't declaw them.
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:37 PM
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14. I am going to try
the softclaws product. I do love them very much and don't want to hurt them, I was just at my wits end. I didn't know about the nail caps, but that seems like a good solution.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:38 PM
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15. Right. Cause there are so many people out there
willing to adopt adult cats. Let's be real.
She got the cats, and they are her responsibility.
Because she is asking about declawing, doesn't mean she got to give the cats up.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:43 PM
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20. I'm just saying she shouldn't have them declawed.
She asked, I answered.

There must be another solution. I'm sure a vet could recommed more options than I can.

I'm trying to help. Thnaks.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:44 PM
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21. I don't agree with giving the cats up as a solution.
If simply because it's not easy to find homes for adult cats.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:48 PM
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24. May not be easy, but it is a better alternative than declawing.
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 10:50 PM by Skip Intro
I edited the hell out of this post.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:50 PM
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25. Right. Get rid of your responsibility.
Great advice.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:51 PM
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26. Wow.
Hey, my kid cries too much, should I cut out his tongue?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:52 PM
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29. Nope. Just give him to someone else.
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 10:53 PM by lizzy
And you will be free as a bird.
You could also take him to Nebraska ASAP before they change the law.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:09 PM
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31. You're rediculous.
Declawing is inhumane. There are better options. Those are the facts. I don't know what your point is but it is becoming clear that discussion with you is pointless.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:11 PM
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33. My point would be that giving the cat up is not a better option.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:23 PM
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5. Declawing is cruel. Don't do it.
You can trim the tips of their claws and that should take care of the problem.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:27 PM
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6. Let them keep their claws, or find them a new home.
Or, chop off the tips of your fingers past the first knuckle. Then, maybe, it'll be fair to do the same to your cats.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:39 PM
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18. I think suggesting she gave the cats up are out of line.
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 10:45 PM by lizzy
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:29 PM
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8. My sister uses soft paws -- they're great.
Another sister is a veterinarian and she is strongly against declawing. Please don't do it. It is very painful for them, and renders them relatively helpless. Please please please don't declaw. Try soft paws first -- please.
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:32 PM
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10. How often does she have to get them changed/replaced?
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 10:33 PM by margotb822
Are they high maintenance? Do the cats know that they're on and try to take them off? How to they respond to scratching posts?

These are my questions about the product, so I'd be very interested in her take.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:46 PM
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23. You replace them as they fall off.
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:45 PM
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38. as lizzy mentioned, you replace them as they fall off --
the cats might fuss a bit at first until they get used to them, but really, people I know who have tried soft paws are very happy. Scratching posts aren't really necessary afterward - the claw covers prevent scratching.

Plus, soft paws come in a variety of colors, so you can have fun with your cat's toenails, so to speak. :D
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 12:45 AM
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41. Second vote for soft paws
some vets will even glue them on for free if you provide them!
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:36 PM
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13. Do you have any scratching posts for them?
If not, buy some.
You could also buy some stuff to spray on things in a pet store that is supposed to deter cat from clawing. I am not sure how well it works.
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:39 PM
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16. Yes, I do have posts
The problem is really that I put them out of my bedroom because they get up with the sun, and I'd rather not. So, they sit by the door and scratch under it. I bought one of those tub mats as a barrier, but they claw at that too, and eventually pull it away. I read above about the softclaws, so I'm going to try that.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:42 PM
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19. Cats hate closed doors.
Of course they will sit by the door and scratch under it if you lock them out.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:10 PM
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32. Are they spayed/neutered?
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:17 PM
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35. Yes, actually
they were neutered when they arrived at the shelter. I had some concerns about their development because they were neutered at 6 weeks, but they seem fine.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:19 PM
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36. Do you let them out frequently?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:25 PM
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37. I sincerely hope she doesn't let them out.
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:39 PM
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17. lol that's funny
sorry ... I have one cat and he uses everything but the scratching post

sigh live and learn
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:51 PM
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27. I have one cat that only uses the post
and the other that uses everything but! It's frustrating, but I do love them so much. The first replier suggested softclaws, and I'm going to try those. They seem really simple and effective. My dad is having some issues and I'm going to move in with him for a few months, so I don't want them to destroy his house. I think the softclaws will be the best solution.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 01:38 AM
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43. Try to feed them really well before you go to bed.
This way they are less hungry in the morning.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 01:41 AM
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44. Try to feed them really well before you go to bed.
This way they are less hungry in the morning.
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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:45 PM
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22. I have a cat and I am by no means an expert
however, because we have 3 large dogs (and our cat came to us as a stray and he was inside/outside for a bit, plus it seemed cruel to remove his nails) we decided against declawing before we even heard about how painful it was.

I looked at the softclaws thing for him (decided against it only because he needs some defense to the dogs) and I have heard great things about them. We clip his claws, pretty easy to do, and I notice that he really starts scratching when they get too long. We rent our house, and jeez louise, he has killed doorways and stuff, but that's nothing compared to the toll an incontinent older dog has taken on the carpet.


We sort of let our pets rule... we are out numbered

:lol:
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:53 PM
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30. if the option was being put to sleep or taken to a shelter, they would take the de-clawing. nt.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 11:57 PM
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39. Have you tried redirecting the behaviour?
Meaning, if the cat claws the carpet, you maybe squirt a water bottle at them. Same if they claw the furniture. But, when they claw the post or another appropriate item, they get no correction?

Declawing is for the lazy cat owner that doesn't much care about cruelty. Cats claw at things for a few reasons. Territory inside the home shouldn't be one of them, so correction seems to be the best fix.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 12:04 AM
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40. I wouldn't advise it...it's so cruel, and the older they are the worse it is for them to recover.
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