It's too damn bad Americans are so shallow and clueless - Kucinich ROCKS

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

Just because he looks like an elf - who the hell cares? I care about what's IN his head and what he intends to with his brain! SIGH.

[RevolutionaryActs]

1. I know, he is kicking so much ass tonight.

*swoon*

[Oeditpus Rex]

4. Swoon?

Girl, you're five feet taller than him! :crazy:

[RevolutionaryActs]

7. So?

It's all about his mind! :P



How'ya doin' Oedi? :hug:

[Initech]

2. Blame television for that.

[Oeditpus Rex]

3. YOU'LL VOTE FOR WHOM WE TELL YOU TO VOTE FOR!

[Pale Blue Dot]

5. Here's my take on Kucinich:

And keep in mind, I may vote for him.

He's made the (correct, I believe) logical leap of rejecting Christianity. However, like many people, he stops there and refuses to take it to the next logical step; instead, he fills the void left by Christianity with a lot of New Age crap, which has about as much connection with logic, science, and reality as worship of "Jesus Christ" does.

That said, I agree with him on most of the issues. I just wish that I felt he was totally rational in his beliefs.

[DarkTirade]

6. As long as his silly beliefs don't dictate how he runs the country, that puts him ahead of most of

the competition. :)

[Pale Blue Dot]

8. Agreed. nt

[flvegan]

9. I think he's agnostic.

Doesn't buy into dogma.

Shit, I'll bet he's buddhist.

[Oeditpus Rex]

10. 'There is a mystical quality to the boyish Cleveland congressman

and he may be the most overtly spiritual of the Democratic candidates. Some have described him as fiery, but when his oratory becomes animated, it can seem more an enlivened gentleness. He often pauses when he speaks — long pauses with vacant stares that seem like contemplation. Indeed, in his introductions at campaign appearances, he always tells his audience that his politics is grounded in 'a spiritual sense of the interconnectedness of the world,' and he nearly always invokes the Gospels in explaining the themes of his campaign.

"'With all those who understood the deeper meaning of the Gospels in Matthew 25, when Christ said, "When I was hungry did you feed me? When I was homeless did you shelter me?" and then went on to say, "Whatever you did for the least of my brethren, you did for me" — that's the interconnectedness,' he said in an interview with the Monitor. 'That is the leitmotif of interconnectedness, right there, it says it all. And so my work in public life resounds with that connection to higher principles and with an understanding of the power of the human heart.'

"Growing up Roman Catholic, Kucinich pored over the Scriptures in Latin, studied the lives of the saints, and read the economic issues reflected in papal encyclicals. He also became very influenced by Dorothy Day and the Catholic Workers Movement. Spiritual principles, he believes, can transform the material world.

"'My politics derives an understanding from this,' Kucinich explains. 'While our fathers understood well the importance of the separation of church and state, they never meant America to be separate from spiritual values. Spiritual values can improve our own health, our spirit, our nation, and the world.'"

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0102/p01s03-uspo.html



Sounds pretty damned rational to me.

[Pale Blue Dot]

11. "Spiritual values can improve our own health, our spirit, our nation, and the world.'"

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

What scientific studies prove this? If there are none, how is it rational? If one studies the question logically and scientifically, you would reach a conclusion that it unpopular and difficult, but is the closest to the truth that we can possibly get to.

Rejecting Christianity as any kind of "truth" is only the start to this journey. Do we have any politician who is willing to follow the path to it's logical end?

Again, I want to stress that I will probably vote for Kucinich. But his wishy-washiness with regards to "spirituality" is probably what dooms him as a candidate.

[Oeditpus Rex]

12. It would seem that you want to be the one to say when the 'journey' has ended

I imagine the Congressman has chosen his own spiritual path, one that isn't subject to traffic control. I'm also sure he regrets that this isn't all right with you. :)

If Kucinich is indeed "doomed," it's because the American news media consider him a non-viable candidate. No one can win a major election without media cooperation.

[Pale Blue Dot]

13. But did you answer the question, or even stop to think about it?

Did he?

"What scientific studies prove this? If there are none, how is this belief rational?"

If you are afraid to examine the question, are your beliefs really worth anything?

[Oeditpus Rex]

14. I don't think science is required to 'prove' such a thing

Nor, for that matter, is proof itself necessary. And rationality is over-rated.

There are certain things that are just "known" and don't need the support of science to have merit. Spirituality, as I define it, is probably foremost among these.

We may as well try to "prove" something's funny, or that we like a certain color or type of music, or that we love and are loved.

[Pale Blue Dot]

16. If proof is not necessary, how do you convince others? How did you convince yourself?

How do you know that Islam isn't correct? Scientology? Greek polytheism?

Everyone who has believed anything religious or spiritual thinks that their beliefs are just "known". What makes you know that you are right?

[Oeditpus Rex]

18. I didn't say I was 'right,' nor that Kucinich is

I only assert that I'm comfortable with such a belief.

How did you convince yourself that you love Sarah? :shrug:

[Bennyboy]

15. Imagine having a President that got it right the first time.....

Best line of the debate. Especially when everyone else backpedalled on NAFTA, The Patriot Act, Iraq, Iran.... HA HA HA!

Second best line of the debate: "That's because I read it" whne asked about why he did not vote for the Patriot Act.

He was the only one that gave a straight answer.....

[crim son]

17. I wholeheartedly agree.

I fail to see what difference his looks make. The whole "charisma" thing is bullshit - the shrub is reputed to be chock-full of charisma - but Kucinich has a very engaging personality and he's the only guy who represents my views. But he won't win, and it sucks.

[Bullwinkle925]

19. i'm sportin' his sticker on my car .. . .

and made a donation to his volunteer at the temescal farmer's mkt on sunday
i'm voting for him in the primary - to hell with what everyone says.