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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:36 AM
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What Does This Mean? Someone Translate Please?
"I couldn't possibly fail to disagree with you less."


Is the one who makes this statement in agreement or disagreement? Clearly, I haven't yet had enough coffee to make sense of all the u-turns and double reversing negatives.

-- Allen

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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:37 AM
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1. I think it means
"close cover before striking".
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beawr Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:38 AM
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2. Now my head hurts
Damn you.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:39 AM
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3. Means he couldn't disagree with you more
He really disagrees with you.

I suggest you put a pickaxe through his forehead, since he obviously is unaware of your intelligence and inability to be wrong, the bastard.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:40 AM
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4. It's non-committal in my opinion
If you strip 'fail to' you end up with "I couldn't possibly disagree with you less" which would indicate full agreement. Adding the fail to only adds some disagreement but fails to indicate total disagreement.

So it's a non-answer, I've heard it before, I think that's the purpose of it.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:56 AM
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18. speaking of agreement, I think DS1 has it
Reminds me of Bilbo's line in Fellowship of the Ring:

I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:07 AM
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24. Agreed
By the time the target of such a phrase figures it out, you're long gone.

I'm hereby staking my claim as the first person to get it right. :evilgrin:
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:19 AM
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32. THE FINAL WORD (I hope)
I think it's ambiguous. If you can't fail to disagree, that means you disagree. If you can't fail to do something, you must succeed at it. So you read it as "I can disagree less"--pretty meaningless. If you can't fail to do something less, it means you can do it less. So it means "I can disagree less" as well.

THE TRANSLATION:

I can disagree less

Whatcha think, folks?
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:21 AM
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34. That's what I said!
:evilgrin:

#4 baby!
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:23 AM
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37. Yes, but my slow-witted pate had to gook up the thread with more posts
:D
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:13 AM
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27. But that line has a clear translation!
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 11:21 AM by jpgray
It just means he thinks he should like the hobbits he dislikes more, because they deserve to be liked more.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:20 AM
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33. Perhaps, but not being clear isn't the intent
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 11:20 AM by DS1
It's to make you have to work it out, shut you up for a while allowing whomever said to get the hell outta here or change the topic of conversation
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:21 AM
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35. I agree there, I disagree that it is ambiguous (nt)
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:54 PM
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40. "Truly you have a dizzying intellect."
"Wait til I get going!"

-- Allen
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:18 AM
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30. There are at least two ways you can interpret the sentence.
The way I took it was that "(I couldn't possibly) (fail to disagree) (with you less)," which can be simplified to "I couldn't possibly agree with you less."

However, I think it can also be split up this way: "(I couldn't possibly fail to) (disagree with you less)." That can be simplified to: "I have to (or 'I must') disagree with you less." Which...if it isn't just nonsense....means that "I have to agree with you more than previously." It sounds like nonsense to me though, taken that way.

There could be other ways to split it up, too.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:43 AM
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5. It means they agree with you (I think)
Start with "I couldn't disagree with you less", which means I mostly agree with you. If they can't *fail* to mostly agree with you, that means they succeed at agreement with you. The phrase is confusing as hell, but that's my go at it.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:45 AM
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7. Wait, scratch that
Failure to disagree means agreement, and if they can't do that less, that means solid, total disagreement. Sorry for the above, must be tired today. :P
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:02 AM
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20. Wait, though--maybe it IS ambiguous
"I couldn't fail to disagree" means disagreement, so wouldn't "I couldn't fail to disagree less" then mean agreement? If you can't fail to do something, that means you will succeed. So "I couldn't fail to disagree" means "I will disagree", but adding the "less" necessarily would make it a term of agreement?

I'm changing back to agreement, I suppose.

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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:55 AM
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39. Failure to disagree is not agreement
If Dubya announces the sky is green, I'm not going to agree, I'm not going to disagree, I'm going to go look.
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Shrek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:44 AM
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6. Utter disagreement
There's no room for any more disagreement than already exists.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:46 AM
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8. Or it could be
a quadruple negative which, if you say it out loud, will stop the earth's rotation.
I'm pretty sure.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:49 AM
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12. Clearly...
you've been watching too many episodes of "Bewitched". (Because that makes total sense to me.)

-- Allen
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:47 AM
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9. Is this a quote from Bush or Rummy?
It sounds like Rummy.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:48 AM
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10. I totally and completely
I totally and completely deny ever denying my previous denial.

I also do not deny ever having denied my or any other denials that have been previously denied by myself and others.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:49 AM
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11. Put more "nots" in there
I think statistically students are tripped up more by simple "not" questions than anything else on exams.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:50 AM
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14. This sentence is false. nt
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:04 AM
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23. Yes it is
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 11:05 AM by Loonman
Correct.

:thumbsup:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:09 AM
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25. But then it's true!
Hee hee :)
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:50 AM
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13. That's a difficult one.
The phrase centers around "failing to disagree," which, taken by itself, means that the person agrees with you. So, one should be able to change the sentence to "I couldn't possibly agree with you less," which is fairly clear in its meaning. :)
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:53 AM
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15. 4 negatives = a postive???
n/t
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:55 AM
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16. The speaker is sure that he or she completely agrees with you.
I think. :shrug:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:56 AM
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17. Have to get back to you
on that one. :crazy:
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:59 AM
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19. ok
Ich kann unmöglich darin versagen, weniger mit Ihnen übereinzustimmen.

:evilgrin:
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:02 AM
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21. Cheater!
:P
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:22 AM
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36. guilty as charged
One honest attempt: he completely disagrees. However I'm thinking about this in German, a language allowing double negatives.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:03 AM
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22. Now do it in Basque! (nt)
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:19 AM
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31. well,
I wish I could. However I went with (my extremly poor) French when I was in the Basque region a few years ago.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:13 AM
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26. My Stab at it...
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 11:14 AM by supernova
The speaker is stating total disagreement with you.

Break it down this way:

I couldn't possbily fail to disagree with you

OK, sounds like agreement right? Then comes that word less. Ahh...

It negates the entire previous meaning. So now it means: "I'm as far away from your opinion as I can possibly be."

I am sure there is an alternate parody sentence of this, but I can't think what it is.

Interesting puzzle. Thanks, Allen. :thumbsup:

edit: code
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:35 AM
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38. It's A Puzzle All Right... But I Wasn't Testing Anyone
Honestly, I did not know the answer---and even with your detailed explanation and the equally convincing explanations of others---I'm still not certain if I'm completely convinced one way or the other.

Is it something that could correctly be interpreted two different ways? I just don't know.

-- Allen
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:14 AM
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28. That means YOU WON the argument, he/she concedes.
I couldn't fail to congratulate you less!!
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:17 AM
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29. It means "I agree with you". I think. Not the decisive answer you wanted..
Sorry.
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