L O S T

[graywarrior]

Soon.

Bet we find out who Jacob is.

BTW, THERE ARE SPOILERS HERE, SO DON'T READ THIS AND THEN WHINE ABOUT IT

[lost-in-nj]

1. SOON!!!

whoo hoo!!!


lost

[Kajsa]

2. And--- hopefully we can find out

what Locke is up too---

is he, or isn't he?
with them, against them?

Does Juliet get busted?


And I've got 4, count'em, 4 hours to go here in the Pacific Time Zone.

[graywarrior]

4. Juliet is like Bush. She'll get busted but Jack will make it all better.

[Kajsa]

5. You're right, Gray.

According to Jack, she can do no wrong.

Sayid was the first one to suspect otherwise.
As usual, he's 100% right!

[graywarrior]

7. Those two are up to something and Kate & Sayid are gonna pay

[Kajsa]

8. I hope not!

I wouldn't mind if Juliet got in trouble.
Jack needs a friggin wake up call, if it's not too late.

Kate and Sayid are solid.
I hope they come out of this in one piece.

[graywarrior]

9. I heard they won't.

[Kajsa]

10. Ugh!

it doesn't sound good
at all--- Crap!

[graywarrior]

11. Course, it's a rumour from England.

They have a different showing of sorts. I heard it was a little different from the US show, so their rumours may be off a little.

[Kajsa]

13. Let's hope so.

We'll find out, soon.

:hi:

[ghostsofgiants]

3. I'm really excited.

I was already excited, then my friend told me it gets weird.

[graywarrior]

6. Check your PM

[Javaman]

118. GETS weird? you mean it's not already? nt

[ghostsofgiants]

119. Perhaps "weirder" would have been more accurate.

:P

[GenDem]

12. I find myself acting like a little kid at Christmas

on LOST day. WTF am I going to do in a few weeks when it's over?
I'm very curious about this Jacob character.

[undeterred]

14. Didn't anyone ever tell these people not to go wandering around

the jungle at night? There are SNAKES, for Gods sake. Or does the special L O S T island not have any?

[Jade Fox]

87. Actually....

There are no snakes native to Pacific Islands.

That is why it has been such a disaster on Guam with the snake species brought there accidentally (believed by a Navy ship during WWII). With no natural enemies, this snake species has over run the island and wrecked havoc on the native bird population.

Another snake species was brought to Hawaii, and has proliferated there, but apparently has done no harm to local fauna.

On edit: Are the Losties on a Pacific Island? I guess I was just assuming they were cause the show is filmed in Hawaii.

[undeterred]

90. If they were going from Sidney to LA

I'd assume the plane went down in the Pacific.

I didn't know that about the snakes. Well, when you're camping in the Amazon, be careful at night because there ARE snakes.

[question everything]

121. While not exactly the same, I was reminded of Apocalypse Now

and also one episode of China Beach. In both cases after walking the jungle one was expected to meet a secret leader.

[charlie and algernon]

15. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

[Kajsa]

54. I HATE THIS!!!!

Why do they kill off the best characters?

Is Locke going to die, now?
It sure looks like it.

His final moments are in a pit with decomposed bodies/
skeletons of the Dharma people?

I don't give a flying damn about Jacob right now- that will change,
though. I'm too angry---LOCKE !?!?!

WTH?!?

What are the writers smoking, or shooting for that matter?

I AM PISSED!!! The dumbest move in television script writing to date!!!

You don't kill off your best characters, buttheads!
Maybe in the grand finale- but not now!
Take another script writing class!!

:nuke:

(If Locke lives- I take it back.)

[Kajsa]

76. Late edit-

I meant screen writing course.

:blush:

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

16. Spoiler

what the f is up with Jacob?

Ben is a psycho, though.

Great episode.

[graywarrior]

18. Will Jacob help Locke?

Wow!

[charlie and algernon]

19. wonder if they'll

have jacob help locke and locke comes back as a christ figure right at the start of this war that's supposed to start?

i'm totally lost right now.

[hedgehog]

67. Will Locke help Jacob?

[GenDem]

17. All I can say is

What the Fuck!!!!!

[graywarrior]

20. FUBAR

Yoiks.

[GenDem]

21. I didn't TIVO it so I can't rewind it in slow-mo

but people on a LOST board saw a d00d sitting in that chair for a split second.

[graywarrior]

22. What about the f'n mother?

[GenDem]

27. My brain hurts

There was way too much in this episode. I need crib notes.
The dead mother saying that it's not time
Richard not aging a bit
Ben's little companion
JACOB
And the entire DHARMA initiative annihilated -- purged as Ben said
Ben shooting Locke

[graywarrior]

32. I won't sleep now.

And I have to be in work by 7:30 am. Fuck.

[Zuiderelle]

45. "You do remember birthdays, don't you Richard?"

Ben said to him at the beginning of the episode. They exchanged "knowing" looks. Hmmmmmm.

[Connonym]

58. is Ben's dad Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite?

that would explain why he's so creepy

[MorningGlow]

59. OH YEAHHHHH!

Thank you!! I couldn't place him last night, but I knew I had seen him somewhere before!

Let's go get some steaks...:rofl:

[lies and propaganda]

95. OMG!!!! I knew i freaking knew he was familiar!

awesome!

[Fleshdancer]

48. Reminds me of when Jack saw his dead father on the island

and I barely remember another islander seeing and trying to follow a dead friend. Was it Hurley? Arg...can't remember. Following dead people into the island always leads to some big revelation.

[ghostsofgiants]

68. Yeah, it was Hurley, but that was an imaginary friend.

Eko saw his dead brother on more than a few occasions as well.

[Zuiderelle]

42. I rewinded at that point, because I thought I saw something, and yes, there's a man in the chair.

It's blurry and dark, so you cannot distinguish anything about him, except that it looks like a man.

[MorningGlow]

43. Yep, I saw him

Rewinded a couple of times with the ol' TiVo to make sure. It's VERY brief. Couldn't make out any features--just a man sitting in the chair.

[Zuiderelle]

63. I went frame-by-frame through that, and it was a man in profile with long hair.

And a strong nose with a bit of bulb on the end of it. Looked like he had no facial hair, but was scruffy. There were about 10 frames with him in it, very dark. It almost seemed as if he had a flower in his hair (though that could have been anything as it was in the shadows), and I had the impression that he was wearing some sort of tunic, like a monk's robes. But that's a stretch, as you can only see him from about mid torso up, from the side, and again, very dark and a bit blurry.

[MorningGlow]

64. You were far more patient than I was!

Good details! I just saw a guy, then kept going because I wanted to see what happened next. If I had been sensible, I would have kept it on the TiVo and checked again today, at my leisure. :shrug:

[Iris]

102. Did you see the eye? There was a close up of a brown eye - Locke & Ben both have blue eyes!

freaky.

[question everything]

122. I did not see this, and did not tape it to watch again

but here is the link from the Lost Board

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6330/jacob02ab9. and add jpg (I want to include the link)

[ghostsofgiants]

23. That was intense.

Shit's getting epic.

[graywarrior]

24. Someone on another board compared it to Star Wars

Bug-eyed Ben = Admiral Akbar

[ghostsofgiants]

25. Are you saying it's a trap?

[graywarrior]

28. No, I'm saying "help me!"

[wicket]

65. Trap, what trap?

:P

[GenDem]

29. That's a great description

It is epic.

[LibraLiz1973]

26. SO annoying

I hate Ben more than ever.

So, what... Jacob is Ben's alter ego? Kind of like a Norman Bates/Psycho thing?

And how about Richard? He appears to Ben about 30 years ago but is still young now?

ALso note- Ben was born in Portland... where Juliet is from. And who was Annie???? The name is ringing all sorts of bells. Isn't Juliets sister named Annie?

[graywarrior]

30. We need a manual, for crissakes.

[ghostsofgiants]

31. Annoying?

No way, that was awesome.

[graywarrior]

33. Wierd....but totally awesome.

[ghostsofgiants]

34. Totally awesome BECAUSE it was weird.

[graywarrior]

37. I feel like lighting up a smoke.

[MorningGlow]

46. When Ben met Richard in the forest when Ben was young

I thought Richard's clothes looked kind of colonial, making me think of the slave ship. But I stopped thinking about that because it MADE MY BRAIN HURT! :crazy:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

51. Annie was the others' warden, remember?

The enforcer, so to speak, that was pushing judgment on Juliet.

[graywarrior]

35. First 1.5 minutes is about the final episode. PS(Seven deaths predicted)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoV7FnQcLXM&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fspoilerslost%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F

[LibraLiz1973]

40. I heard 5 deaths predicted

I also hear that the writer/producer/creators of the show refer to this years finale as "The Snake In The Mailbox".
They say it is a complete "Game changer"

[question everything]

123. This entry was removed from YouTube (nt)

[GenDem]

36. Best TV show I have ever seen

in all my 48 years.
Kudos to the writers of this exciting excursion. I'm glad that I'm going along for the ride...cuz this is fun shit.

[GenDem]

38. Biblical connection

Biblical Jacob fathered 12 sons, who eventually became the leaders of the 12 tribes of Israel. His youngest son was named Benjamin.

[graywarrior]

39. It never ends.

The producers/writers use it all.

[Jade Fox]

89. Read Jeff Jensen in Entertainment Weekly....

He writes columns about each Lost episode that are at least as interesting as the show. He finds loads of references--biblical, literary, historical.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20038370,00.html

[GenDem]

116. Thanks for the site

It's nice to have access to all these references. There are always so many -- it's hard to keep track.

[slj0101]

41. Ben's gassing of the Dharma camp must have happened in '88.

That is the same year Rousseau and her crewmates landed on the island. Remember, in her distress call, she claims all of her crewmates died (or she had to kill them all, I can't remember).

My SO's theory was correct (it was also a popular one on fan forums): the Others are a separate entity from the Dharma Initiative.

[Zookeeper]

79. Yes, I remember her saying that she had....

to kill them because they had "the illness" or something like that. Hmmmm. More food for thought.

[question everything]

120. Except the song that was playing at the hatch

when Jack and Locke first met Desmond, was from the 70s, I think

[MorningGlow]

44. So...was Ben's dad...

Was Ben's dad the skeleton Hurley and crew found in the VW bus, doing a "beer run" a few eps ago?

Gah--I can't keep it all straight... :crazy:

[slj0101]

49. Yes.

Roger WorkMan. :D

[MorningGlow]

50. Thanks!

Day-um, I finally made a connection from one ep to another!
:hi:

[Zookeeper]

80. I couldn't believe that my 12 year old....

who has watched only sporadically, made that connection! I barely remembered it, although I remembered the VW bus.

[Fleshdancer]

47. Just when I was about to give up on LOST they won me back

Is Jacob the island "monster"? Can he control the black smoke? Is he the black smoke? When did Ben meet Jacob? Is Jacob a prisoner of Ben? Why would Jacob ask for Locke's help and why does this piss off Ben so badly? I think Jacob is the source of whatever power Ben has somehow and Locke is a direct threat because of whatever healing power Locke possesses. If Locke can give Ben and himself the physical strength of walking again, maybe he can help Jacob become strong enough to take on physical form?

I also want to know more about the French woman's daughter and how she became known as Ben's daughter. I can't remember if the French woman brought her newborn daughter with her when they landed on the island or if she was preggers and gave birth to her on the island. I'm assuming Ben stole the girl and she probably doesn't know that Ben isn't her biological father but she certainly has her mom's independent streak in her.

I'm ready to buy the LOST episodes now. I'll probably wait 'till the show is over before doing so (this is what I did with West Wing) but until then I need to rent the last season and re-watch this season when it comes out. Too much start/stop in the middle of the seasons...hard to retain all the info.

[question everything]

125. If Alex is the French woman's daughter

then she cannot be also Ben's. Remember, it was the French woman who trapped Ben and brought him to the camp last season, when he assumed the identity of someone who was buried there, under a parachute.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

52. So here's what I got out of the episode, in no particular order

- The other Others all seem in awe of Locke. When he was beating Mikhail, no one lifted a finger, and it's clearly not because they physically can't stop him.

- Every time Locke gets all uppity, either someone dies or something blows up.

- That said, I don't think Locke dies. He got shot in the lung, which took a day and a half for Naomi to heal from. Given Locke's ability to heal on the island, it probably won't even take that long.

- Ben definitely got threatened by Locke. That Locke took command in the camp (Mikhail's beating scene), that Locke heard Jacob, and that Locke was threatening to tell the Others about Ben's bullshit. Ben's becoming unraveled, big time.

- Jacob IS real. He was definitely in that chair. Why was he mostly invisible, though?

- Was that volcanic ash that Locke was inspecting on the way to Jacob's cabin?

- Speaking of the volcano... I think it's particularly important about what the teacher was saying and the experiment. Annie asked if the eruption occurred for the same reason the experiment worked, and the teacher said yes. Could this be the "incident"? If so, is this why the button needed to be pushed? If so, is there another eruption pending?

- Richard does not age. I don't think it's coincidental that Ben asked him if he still remembers what birthdays are.

- Where did the hostiles come from? Better question - why is Dharma still dropping supplies? Better question - obviously, Richard has mainland connections, and therefore, the hostiles have a source of enormous funding (after all, how could they support the sub and the Mittelos Bioscience rouse?), so where does that funding come from? Perhaps Charles Widmore? (Penelope's dad)

- In looking at the previews, could Rousseau be in on Jack and Juliet's plan? Is this why she grabbed the crate of dynamite from the Black Rock in the previous episode?

- Annie, I believe, was the hostile's legal enforcer - I think that was the name of the person conducting the investigation and trial of Juliet.

I'm sure there's more, but goddamn, looking at the list, that's a whole lot of reveals for one, non-season-ending episode. We're headed towards something big in the final two episodes of the season - that much is assured.

[slj0101]

55. I like the richard theory.

It wasn't like putting a hairpiece on Locke to make him look a decade younger- Richard was THE EXACT SAME AGE as he is now. You figure, if Ben is roughly in his 40s, then Richard would be in his 50's by now, and he obviously isn't. I strongly doubt this was a casting error.

[MorningGlow]

57. I wonder about the whole not aging/healing fast thing

Seems like some folks like Richard and Locke are in tune with the island's energy, so it works to their advantage (and Locke saw the smoke monster and wasn't afraid), while others aren't (like Eko, they see the scary smoke monster, can be hurt, die, etc.) That could be the energy that the Dharma Initiative was attempting to work with "for good", like the video said. If that's the case, then Ben is a poser who is not in tune with the island--he ages while Richard doesn't, and he attributed his fast healing to Locke's presence, so he feels threatened by Locke, who is "the real deal".

[SOteric]

88. I agree with a lot of this, and I really

don't think Locke is down for the count. If Mikhail can rise from the apparently dead, then Locke should be a slam dunk. Though, I'm betting they'll let us wonder about that for a while and then bring him back as a deus ex machina at some point.

[bikebloke]

53. When is the Season Three DVD coming out?

...I know, probably at summer's end before Season Four commences. No way will I watch it on commercial/broadcast telly.

Oh well, McLeod's Daughters on DVD will keep my Friday evenings occupied until then.

[slj0101]

56. More than likely, some time in September.

That's when the last 2 seasons were released. :thumbsup:

[ghostsofgiants]

61. Download the episodes.

One option.

Or watch them on www.tv-links.co.uk

[edbermac]

60. Who CARES?? I'd just as soon worry about Paris Hilton.

I just hope there's an active volcano that explodes and the whole goddamn island disappears.

[ghostsofgiants]

62. So...if you don't care...why post in this thread? Or even click on it?

:eyes:

[LisaM]

73. LOL - why indeed?

I post a lot in sports threads and there are tons of people who looooove to go in there and badmouth sports!

[slj0101]

66. And may it take you with it.

[GenDem]

70. That's a bit on the hostile side

The people here that watch the show and enjoy it care, and like to discuss it. Looks like somebody woke up grumpy. :spank:

[Kashka-Kat]

75. Then get yer butt over to the Paris Hilton thread then!? Sheesh!

Someones got way too much time on their hands.

[Connonym]

69. Supposedly Jacob is Kris Kristofferson

voice sounded like him and the still shot of him in the chair looked like it could be him. Way cool, I love him.

Ben is one creepy little motherfucker.

And WOW. I don't think Locke's dead or isn't going to stay dead

[earthboundmisfit]

71. Richard was also the recruiter for Juliet...

I thought he was the guy, those unmistakable eerie-like eyelined-looking eyes of his -
here's from the Lost wiki about him:

http://lost.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_Alpert

Richard Alpert was an employee of Mittelos BioScience, and was looking to recruit Juliet Burke into joining their team. Richard later ended up on the island alongside Juliet as a member of "the Others"....

[earthboundmisfit]

74. Ha! More - "Mittelos BioScience"

Well, well, well -
The "company" Richard (and Ethan) represented to recruit Juliet to the island - MITTELOS - is an anagram for - TIME LOST...
Even more curious, no? :hippie:

[Squatch]

72. Here's JACOB

[Kajsa]

77. Thanks, Squatch!

That's the clearest shot of him, yet.

I saw him too ,last night.
What I saw was more faint and much darker, though.

See, I told ya my " I don't care about Jacob- I'm too POed"
mood wouldn't last very long.


;-)

[NewWaveChick1981]

78. I thought I was gonna die laughing when I found out Uncle Rico was Ben's dad...

:rofl: :P I could just hear him chewing out Kip and Napoleon....:P

BTW, I think Jacob is the smoke monster. :)

I don't think Locke will die. But what a gross place to fall down in! :puke:

I figured Ben and his group had killed off the Dharma people. They're all the "Hostiles".

[MilesColtrane]

81. Hard to tell...

but, the hair and clothing sort of look circa 18th century.

I don't suppose it's Jacob Roggeveen, a Dutch explorer who was sent to find Terra Australis (Latin for "unknown land of the south"), but he instead came across Easter Island by chance.

The first description of Easter Island's inhabitants by Jacob Roggeveen claimed that the population consisted of two distinctive ethnic groups, one being clearly Polynesian and the other "white" and of large stature.

[underpants]

82. That appears to be the guy who recruited his dad

I forgot the character's name already. We rewound and went slomo on the Tivo-- very tricky.

Locke ain't doing so good huh?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

83. Locke never has done good.

I knew something bad was going to happen immediately when he got back into the ol' uppity Locke, "I'm going to assert myself because I don't have any fucking clue what's going on, but you know what? I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it - people like me!"

[underpants]

84. He got lots of confidence once someone else killed his father

Ben killed his own father so I think that difference became evident at the end of the show.

[graywarrior]

94. Dude looks like Dennis Hopper

[deucemagnet]

85. I'm dowloading to watch it again.

I'm just all kinds of :wtf: right now.

[Rob H.]

86. As soon as Ben shot Locke and left him there

I thought, "Man, that was a mistake. If Locke survives, no way is he going to let Ben live."

[lost-in-nj]

92. I think

Ben Knows Locke will live....
He did this on purpose..
but WTF Jack and Juliette... Its like they are robots and reading a script



lost

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

112. What? You mean, just like he killed his dad?

Oh wait, he had to get Sawyer to do that...

[Rob H.]

115. Well, he WAS different when he came back with his dad's body

He beat the crap out of Mikhail, after all, and even though he didn't kill his father himself he was able to manipulate Sawyer into doing it for him. One way or another I think Locke is going to see to it that Ben gets what's coming to him.

[graywarrior]

91. I just want to mention here that every single LOST person has had daddy issues,

And their daddies all ended up dead. So I think Ben is gonna DIE!!!!

[GenDem]

93. Every single one of them

Even the Michael/Walt relationship was strained. That's interesting.

[Connonym]

96. I never made that connection but you're absolutely right

good catch

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

97. Not Sayid. At least not yet.

We don't know anything about Charlie's daddy either. Nor do we know anything about Desmond's.

[Zuiderelle]

98. True about Desmond, but you could say that Penny's father is that figure to him.

After all, isn't that the whole reason he was on the sailboat, to prove something to her father?

Interestingly, while I was searching for info on that, came across this:

http://tviv.org/Lost/Desmond_Hume

"Little is known about Desmond Hume's early life, save for the fact that he was unable to finish university as he had to look after his three brothers after something happened to their father. However, Desmond did work as a set designer for the Royal Shakespeare Company in this time period."

Interesting.

[question everything]

126. Or Sun's. I don't think that her father is dead? (nt)

[Zuiderelle]

99. What was that barrier around Jacob's cabin? Looked like gunpowder to me.

[Scout]

100. having a brain fart....

have we heard anything about Jacob prior to the latest episode? I can't remember if we've heard him referred to yet, especially by Ben.

[Zuiderelle]

101. I don't recall hearing anything about him either.

[deucemagnet]

103. The psychedelic room they rescued Karl from was called "Jacob's Room"

aside from that, I think they just referred to him as "a great man".

[Scout]

104. I remember Jacob's Room now, thanks! n/t

[swimboy]

114. I remember Karl now. Where is he cooling his heels?

and what about the spiders that zombify you? Are they still out there or was that a one-off?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

105. That wouldn't make much sense.

Gunpowder left out like that would be useless in very little time.

[Zuiderelle]

106. What do you think it was then? It was grey, powdery, and sand-like

when Locke picked it up, and it was in a pile about a foot wide around the house. Maybe it had just been put there, so that's why it was dry.

[NewWaveChick1981]

107. It looked like volcanic ash to me.

:shrug: I might be wrong, though.

[Zuiderelle]

108. Maybe it's actually the smoke monster asleep, while protecting Jacob.

Could happen... :D

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

110. Volcanic, or some other kind of ash.

There are a few cultures that would perform such rituals as making a line of ash or drawing a line around a house to spirits out (or in).

[slj0101]

109. Annie=Danielle Rousseau.

I heard this one on a Lost forum, and while skeptical at first, I'm coming around to this theory.

1. Annie is conspicuously absent during the Dharma purge. Considering the close relationship between Annie and Ben, wouldn't her whereabouts be addressed during the whole thing if she were murdered?

2. This really would make Alex Ben's child. The child of Ben and Annie, that is.

3. There's the whole Danielle being French issue, but perhaps the Dharma purge traumatized her to such an extent that she became delusional. I presume her distress call occurred shortly after Ben massacred the Dharma camp.

Just something. It may be absurd, but I like it. :)

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

111. They'd have found an actress that looks SOMETHING similar.

I don't buy it at all. Given her reaction to seeing Alex, I have little doubt Danielle is who she says she is.

[slj0101]

113. I forgot about the whole conceiving on the island thingy.

But Danielle and Ben do have a past, that's for sure. Can't wait to figure out what it is

[graywarrior]

117. Just found out LOST is running 3 more season after this beginning Feb 08

16 uninterrupted episodes. Plus, it is moving to an earlier time slot.

[ghostsofgiants]

124. I hope by earlier they mean it's original 9:00 EST time slot.

Moving it to 10 EST was stupid.

[graywarrior]

127. Yeah, at first I thought 10 pm was great, but when you have to get up at 6 to go to work,

that sucks.