Grammar question

[mykpart]

What is the past participle of the verb "to wake?" Please don't say woken. I'm sure there is no such word. English teachers?

[wildhorses]

1. waken

or perhaps wakened

no, i ain't no grammar teacher so frick if i know:P

[KitchenWitch]

2. Where is Oeditpus Rex when you need him?

:shrug:

[wildhorses]

4. really, where is the spelling and grammar nazi

when you really, truly need him:rofl:

:hi:

[Oeditpus Rex]

11. That's Grammar Überhauptsturhmbannfuerher

Harumph!

[wildhorses]

13. there you are!!

i guess that is MR. grumpy to me:P

:hug:

:hi:

[Oeditpus Rex]

14. Well...

If you're into that.



:evilgrin:

[wildhorses]

16. well ---

wouldn't want to you know piss off the Überhauptsturhmbannfuerher:rofl:

:patriot:


might get a spankin' if i misbehave:bounce:

[Oeditpus Rex]

19. Nah

Now, if you split an infinitive or used a comma where a semicolon was called for, you might get a stern talking-to.

So, watch yourself.







Or, better yet, let me do it. :evilgrin:

[wildhorses]

22. is there really any use for the semicolon?

perhaps after the salutation of a business letter:shrug:

[Oeditpus Rex]

23. Ohhellyeah

Hardly a day goes by that I don't use at least one.

[wildhorses]

26. so then, let us see how you applied the use of the semicolon

today....

i am series...this is hugh...and i don't mean grant, either:P

[Oeditpus Rex]

28. Hell, I dunno

I don't keep records of my punctuation use. :shrug:

[wildhorses]

30. see, i find your not recalling highly suspect!!

:rofl:

you did not really use it..c'mon admit it...you are among friends


make up an example, then:P

[Oeditpus Rex]

31. Tellya what

You pick a thread — it should have a decent number of posts — and I'll find an example of where a semicolon should've been used.

:D

[wildhorses]

32. ok, you're on --- i went to gd cos i don't think it is fair on us

here in the lounge cos this is supposed to be the goofy place and semicolons are series bidness!!

have at it darlin' ---



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=709774&mesg_id=709774

[yewberry]

24. How can you not use a semicolon?

What, are you some kind of philistine?

[wildhorses]

25. don't miss it

not at all:shrug:

then again i don't write for a living

truly i am :dunce:


it joins two sentences together, correct?

[Oeditpus Rex]

10. I don't do English

I do journalism.

:P

[RedCappedBandit]

3. How many syllables in "fire" ?

:shrug:

[ms liberty]

5. awakened maybe? n/t

[yewberry]

6. Sorry to tell you

it's woken.

It can be waked, but usually people mean to say woken.

What's the context? Is it uncomfortable?

[pokerfan]

7. Woken

Don't blame me. Take it up with these guys:
http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/irregular-verbs/wake.html


How many syllables in poem?

[wildhorses]

8. is the poem on fire?

why must i know these things?

[mykpart]

9. Guess I must accept it, but

it sounds so IGNORANT! Could it have come about thru colloquial misuse? I am, after all, an old geezer. And I think there are 2 syllables in poem.

[IntravenousDemilo]

20. It's one of those irregular verbs...

Wake, woke, have woken
Break, broke, have broken
Take, took, have taken
Make, made, have made

are irregular,

BUT
Bake, baked, have baked
Fake, faked, have faked
Rake, raked, have raked
Slake, slaked, have slaked

are regular.

It may seem as if there's no rhyme or reason to this, but these weird irregular verb declensions most likely have their roots as far back as Anglo-Saxon, and they're also a feature of other Germanic languages.

Speaking of irregular verbs, I was given this list back in university English class. Note #3.

1 Make sure each pronoun agrees with their antecedent.
2 Just between you and I, the case of pronouns is important.
3 Watch out for irregular verbs which have crope into English.
4 Verbs has to agree in number with their subjects.
5 Don't use no double negatives.
6 Being bad grammar, a writer should not use dangling modifiers.
7 Join clauses good like a conjunction should.
8 A writer must not shift your point of view.
9 About sentence fragments.
10 Don't use run-on sentences you have to punctuate them.
11 In letters essays and reports use commas to separate items in series.
12 Don't use commas, which are not necessary.
13 Parenthetical words however should be enclosed in commas.
14 Its important to use apostrophe's right in everybodys writing.
15 Don't abbrev.
16 Check to see if you any words out.
17 In the case of a report, check to see that jargonwise, it's A-OK.
18 As far as incomplete constructions, they are wrong.
19 About repetition, the repetition of a word might be really effective repetition -- take, for instance, the repetition of Abraham Lincoln.
20 In my opinion, I think that an author when he is writing should definitely not get into the habit of making use of too many unnecessary words that he does not really need in order to put his message across.
21 Use parallel construction not only to be concise but also clarify.
22 It behooves us all to avoid archaic expressions.
23 Mixed metaphors are a pain in the neck and ought to be weeded out.
24 Consult the dictionery to avoid mispelings.
25 To ignorantly split an infinitive is a practice to religiously avoid.
26 Last but not least, lay off clichés.

[pokerfan]

21. I don't think so

I think it's just fallen out of use. I will trust Tolkien who was a professor of Anglo-Saxon language at Oxford. From The Lord of the Rings:

“All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost; the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, a light from the shadows shall spring; renewed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be king.”

The Encyclopedia of Arda has a list of "Archaic or Unusual Words found in Tolkien’s Works." But woken isn't one of them:
http://www.glyphweb.com/Arda/default.asp


As far as poem/fire goes, I've always heard that they were diphthongs (a monosyllabic vowel combination) but I've never found a satisfactory explanation.

[anti-everything]

12. Awoke?

[stuntcat]

15. yah yah

awoke looks good

[yewberry]

17. That's a different verb.

The past participle of "to awake" is "awoken." If you try it with the past perfect, it'll make sense.

"He had been awoken before the alarm went off."
"He had woken (up) before the alarm went off."


Boy, now I've read that verb so many times that it makes no sense.

[hyphenate]

18. Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: wake
Pronunciation: 'wAk
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): woke /'wOk /; also waked /wAkt/; wo·ken /'wO-k&n /; or waked also woke; wak·ing

Etymology: partly from Middle English waken (past wook, past participle waken), from Old English wacan to awake (past wOc, past participle wacen); partly from Middle English wakien, waken (past & past participle waked), from Old English wacian to be awake (past wacode, past participle wacod); akin to Old English wæccan to watch, Latin vegEre to enliven
intransitive verb
1 a : to be or remain awake b archaic : to remain awake on watch especially over a corpse c obsolete : to stay up late in revelry

2 : AWAKE -- often used with up
transitive verb
1 : to stand watch over (as a dead body); especially : to hold a wake over
2 a : to rouse from or as if from sleep : AWAKE -- often used with up b : STIR, EXCITE <woke up latent possibilities -- Norman Douglas> c : to arouse conscious interest in : ALERT -- usually used with to <woke the public to the risks>
- wak·er noun

[Ptah]

27. Correction: I have a grammer question.

n/t

[trackfan]

29. Woken is a word.

It is listed as an option for the past participle of the verb "to wake" in all the sources I can find, including OED and Websters.

After I had woken him....etc...