Heaven help me, 'Star Trek Voyager' is immensely entertaining!

[Deja Q]

I think it's a season 4 episode; they've been forced to land on a planet containing a metallic liquid capable of cloning items or individuals... because they've ran out of deuterium or whatever and the planet contains enough of it for them to refuel with...

I don't know why, but it's rather good...

[racaulk]

1. OMG, I loved ST:V!!!

My favorite Trek series! Well written, well acted, very imaginative stories, and excellent character development. An all around great show!

Besides, I always thought Tom Paris was nice to look at. ;)

[Deja Q]

2. The ending had Janeway allowing the crew to be duplicated; appeasing the silver fluid...

I hope there's a follow-up episode, though it's not likely...

[skygazer]

9. I've been watching Voyager for a while now

And yes, there is a follow-up eventually. A good one.

I do enjoy it - sometimes its amazingly silly but for the most part, fun. And I do think Janeway is a worthy addition to the Captain's roster.

[Kutjara]

30. There was a follow-up. *spoiler alert*

The cloned crew forgot they were cloned and set off toward Earth, thinking they were the real crew. The further they got from the demon-class planet, however, the more the structure of the ship and their bodies broke down, which finally made them realize what they were. By this time, it was too late to retun to the Demon planet, so they tried to find the real Voyager, hoping the real crew could help them (perhaps by refreshing their cloned images). In the end, only Harry Kim and Seven were left alive and the ship was collapsing around them, when they detected the real Voyager ahead of them, which they tried to contact.

The scene then switches to the real Voyager, which had picked up the faint distress signal "from an unknown ship." Real Voyager goes to the signal's coordinates, but only discover a dissipating field of strange matter. Janeway makes an entry in the log about an "anomolous event" and the ship continues its journey home, oblivious to the fate of their cloned selves.

It was a good episode with a very sad ending.

[Parche]

3. STV

That is the only Star Trek I never liked....................

The original was my favorite!!!

[Deja Q]

5. The original is my favorite too...

But Voy is really proving to be better than when I first tried to sit through it... :D

[Parche]

10. Star Trek

What is your favorite original episode???

Enquiring tribbles need to know!!!!! :toast:

[Alexander]

6. Gee, Chekov sure looks different in that photo...

;)

[Alexander]

4. Plot holes big enough to fit a Borg cube...

Early Voyager was decent, but the Kazons were blatant Klingon rip-offs, Neelix was a totally unnecessary character, most of the technobabble was so contrived and awful that it made TNG's babble look accurate, and after Kes left it became the "Seven of Nine" show.

Plus, for tactical/security chief and a Vulcan, Tuvok sure does get beat up a lot.

[Deja Q]

7. I agree, the early seasons (1-3) were mostly crap...

I still dislike Neelix, am glad they nixed the Kazon (klingon-wannabes), and technobabble was always a bane of the TNG-era...

And 7-o'-9, why not? :D

[Parche]

12. 7of 9

Was that her.....'' size????

[Cannikin]

15. They were borg implants.

[Alexander]

13. Sorry, I don't really like Jeri Ryan as Seven.

The whole concept of a "hot" Borg, when it was already well-established that they are essentially genderless when assimilated, bothers me.

And delivering one's lines in monotone for the entire run of the show does not make for a convincing Borg. Maybe if her speech patterns gradually became more human? That was an idea I hoped they would run with.

I stopped watching after about the 10th "the whole crew is missing/unconscious/captured and only 7 of 9 can save them" episode.

What I liked about TNG, as opposed to TOS (even though TOS is my favorite) is that they gave more depth to the secondary characters. I felt Scotty, Chekov, Uhura, etc. were all terribly underused in the show, so much so that Uhura doesn't even have a first name.

Voyager not only got rid of all the stuff that was cool about TOS, it got rid of all the stuff that was cool about TNG. The sense of community was no longer there and each episode essentially became a Die Hard-type story where one character has to save all the others.

[Cannikin]

17. Nyota Uhuru (sort of)

Nyota
"Nyota", Swahili for "star", is the most quoted as Uhura's first name. The name appears in a Star Trek script from the 1960s, and is mentioned by William Shatner in his book Star Trek Memories.

Nichols says in her second-season Original Series DVD interview that a writer (identified in some books as William Rotsler) asked Roddenberry about Uhura's first name, and was told that one was never decided. The writer suggested the name "Nyota". Roddenberry liked it, but said to ask Nichols before he gave permission for the name to be used. Although the name has not appear in Star Trek canon, in many appearance at Star Trek and other genre conventions, Nichols has indicated that her preference that the character is "Nyota (U)penda Uhura".

Additionally, in "Star Trek II: Biographies" by William Rotsler, Uhura's first name is given as "Nyota", although this book is not canon, either.

[Parche]

22. Uhura

That is a good trivia question, did Uhura have a first name????......"Bluey"

Did Sulu really chart the planet Uranus?


How do Vulcans mate?

Was Chekov really Russian?

What would Trelane really do if he would have?

What would happen if Nancy Crater ate salt peter?

How many cowboy boots can you make from a Gorn?

How come they are not making 'Cream of Quadrotriticali'??

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. answers..

1. Yes. "It was Tiberius."

2. Well, he took a lot of measurements with his tricorder.

3. With their genitals. Logically.

4. No, he was Mongolian. Khan was Russian.

5. He would have played with the crew for a few days, gotten bored, melted spock with a magnifying glass, then waxed nostalgic a few million years later when he came home from college for a visit.

6. She'd have shot diamonds out her ass.

7. Trick question. Cowboys don't make boots outta sissified lizards.

8. See number six.

[dysfunctional press]

43. without jeri ryan, obama might not have been a u.s. senator

jeri ryan's ex- jim ryan could have given him a real run for his money...until the stuff about him taking jeri to a swing club came out, that is. (btw- she wasn't into it, and he hadn't told her what the club was)

[liontamer]

8. that's one of my favorite episodes

there's a follow up episode later that's amazing! Voyager was really one of my favorites.

[Marnieworld]

11. I totally binged on Voyager a few years ago

My hubby and I downloaded the whole series and watched season after season in order like zombies. I hate the Kes episodes, it's much better when 7 of 9 shows up. They definitely came up with some interesting storylines (the finale is excellent) and Kate Mulgrew is one of those old fashione Hepburn type actresses. How can you not love that voice?

:hi:

[Deja Q]

14. The finale has plot holes, but is genuinely good...

Kate Mulgrew was a good choice too. :)

I like many of the Borg episodes, though it's clear later stories throw continuity down the river... the one where there's a hidden unimatrix where all the assimilated show up as their real selves was beyond ludicrous. Nice Queen borg there, but that adds a new continuity flaw that gets put down the river again because of the finale! :D

[Marnieworld]

16. I guess it is hard to keep all of those timelines straight

Even The Simpsons messes up continuity and it pisses me off and they never had any of the time space continium problems of Voyager.

I forgive them because it's more good than bad. I love the Dueling Divas aspect of Janeway vs. Borg queen. I hated the episode when they were involved with some stupid town on the Holodeck. Love Tuvok. Neelix is alright without Kes but in small doses. But my favorite was 7 of 9. I'm disappointed that I haven't seen Jeri Ryan in anything that I would want to watch. I think she's interesting.

[Cannikin]

18. I HATE 'trapped in the holodeck' episodes in every spin off

[Kutjara]

32. Seriously.

The holodecks are miserably unreliable. They break down, trap their occupants, randomly confer sentience on fictional characters and play host to all manner of hostile alien entities.

Even the design is flawed. How can "safety protocols" be an active system that shuts off when it fails? Safety should be a default behavior: if something fails, it should fail over to safe mode, not the other way around. That's some pisspoor engineering right there.

No, the holodecks are clearly a GOP-style, porkbarrel, nobid contract sort of system. Proof, I think that Haliburton is alive and well in the 24th Century.

[skygazer]

34. Everything's unreliable

I swear, I think Microsoft made that ship.

One hit and the shields are down to 60%. Any little abnormality in the atmosphere of a planet and the transporters won't work. They constantly lose warp power at the worst possible times. The holodecks, as you pointed out, suck. One shot will take out the weapons array (seems a silly design then). The main deflector is offline more than it's on. Etc.

Despite all that, I love it. :P

[Babel_17]

33. She's now on the TV show ......

"Shark" which stars James Woods.

[Deja Q]

36. Tim Russ was born to play Tuvok.

He's done guest roles in other shows and his persona is generally the same... but he is more stolid and Vulcanesque in Voyager, which is good... :D He played a cop in an episode of 'The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air'...

I will agree the Janeway/Queen stuff was entertaining and there is nary a single series that keeps its continuity in proper check from day 1 to the final day, so I shouldn't be so harsh... but a little harsh; seasons 6 onward showed little attempt to retain continuity, but by then the claim Q introduced the Federation to the Borg was ruined by retconning 7-o-9's human origins...

Both Borg Queen actresses were very good...

But those Q stories are utterly terrific. Maybe a little farcical with the mating idea, but for some reason I'm not nitpicking against it; the allusion to their own civil war and plight was rather well done...

[Cannikin]

19. Kate Mulgrew is AWESOME. She trashed Bush on stage and now I love her.

(me)

[Tikki]

20. I miss Star Trek, anything, so much.....

The more I watch the reruns, yes!! Voyager specifically, the more I wish there where more
new Star Trek.


Captain Kathryn Janeway....with 'bun of steel'.

Tikki

[Cannikin]

21. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[Blue_Tires]

26. ruh roh

(runs to camp out at the movie theater)

[GreenPartyVoter]

23. We watch all the STs in my house. My boys love Voy the most. I have asked them

to be scientists when they grow up and invent ST things like replicators. Right now they think it sounds like too much work, but I am still hoping. :D

[YellowRubberDuckie]

24. Skip loves that show...

God help us all. :evilgrin:
Duckie

[InvisibleTouch]

25. I only saw the first few episodes.

In the beginning the best thing about the series was the opening sequence. That, and I did like Captain Janeway, but the rest of it was just a blank to me. Just when it started getting good, I moved, cancelled my cable, and lost track of the series. Maybe will catch up on it again someday.

I lost track of DS9 at the same time - but from what little I heard about the last few seasons, I'm not sorry I did.

[ContraBass Black]

27. What's the name of this episode?

[Bryan]

28. It's... reasonably watchable!

In terms of developing intriguing story arcs and complex characters, Voyager isn't competitive with today's TV skiffy (BSG) or even the best shows of its time (DS9, B5). As Ronald D. Moore once put it after he was ousted from the show*, "Voyager doesn’t really believe in anything. The show doesn’t have a point of view that I can discern. It doesn’t have anything really to say. I truly believe it simply is just wandering around the galaxy. It doesn’t even really believe in its own central premise, which is to me its greatest flaw."

However, if you drop in on a rerun, it's a pretty agreeable way to kill forty-two minutes. The FX and design are consistently handsome, Kate Mulgrew is tough and sexy, Robert Picardo is hilarious, and fairly often, the show is just completely batshit (My favorite episode was the two-parter in which a Predator-style race took over the ship and forced the crew to fight in holodeck wargames, culminating in Klingons battling Nazis in occupied France).

Also, Voyager had the best bad episodes of any Trek series outside of the original, such as "Threshold" (Why can't you go faster than Warp 10? Because you'll turn into a giant salamander, that's why).

*More here:

http://lcarscom.net/rdm1000118.htm

[Q3JR4]

29. I liked VOY out of all

of the other series'. I haven't seen very many episodes of the first couple of seasons, so I don't have an opinion on them. I thought that the last half of season seven dragged on and on. I'm also of the belief that the last episodes of VOY could have been better, but I'm glad they were able to end it without leaving the whole thing hanging.

I think that Enterprise was the worst ST. The premise was a good one, but they definitely did not pull it off.

[Pab Sungenis]

31. Voyager was a huge disappointment to me.

I was doing freelance writing in early 1994, and had been pitching DS9. Bob Wolf, the script editor for DS9, asked if I'd like to pitch for Voyager as well. When I expressed an interest, he sent me the series bible and pitch letters.

I fell in love immediately. Deep, rich characters; conflict; subjects worth exploring; and the first major gay character in Star Trek history.

I started puttering around with some stuff, but still had some DS9 stories to pitch first and left my Voyager ideas on the back burner. I figured I'd wait until after the pilot and first few episodes aired in January 1995 to schedule a pitch session.

By episode 2, everything I loved about "Voyager" as originally laid out was gone. In fact, most of it was gone before the pilot even aired.

Gone was Tuvok, the 220-year-old ship's counselor, replaced by a young tactical officer they couldn't even get the rank right for. Gone was the hidden romance between Chakotay and B'Elanna. Gone was the metaphysical aspect of Doctor Zimmer, who was supposed to be a holographic recreation of the dead Chief Medical Officer (Red Dwarf fans can spot the obvious influence there). Tom Paris was no longer universally hated by everyone except for Harry Kim (for reasons that were to become obvious).

Basically, Jeri Taylor and Mike Piller created a beautiful show and great characters, and somewhere along the line someone emasculated everything they had come up with.

I was so disappointed I didn't watch "Voyager" again until the 6th season, and then only when a writer whose stuff I knew and trusted (like Joe Menosky or Bryan Fuller) was penning it. It wasn't as bad at the end as it was at the beginning, but it was nowhere near what it could have been.

[TheMightyFavog]

39. In my opinion, I regarded Voyager as a ripoff of Red Dwarf from Day One.

Hell, both holograms were insufferable smegheaded gits.

[Orsino]

35. It was often quite entertaining...

...though not consistently enough to keep me watching after half a season.

[Zavulon]

37. I like almost any ep from S4 on that doesn't have that asshole Barclay in it.

I never could stand that fuck.

[Deja Q]

38. !

:cry:

[Book Lover]

40. *aiming a cole, baleful eye*

I don't even know who you are anymore!! Voyager entertaining....

[idgiehkt]

42. That is the only one that I watch

I love Kate Mulgrew and I loved 7 of 9, epecially the episodes where she becomes part of the fleet. :hi:

[dysfunctional press]

44. i wish they would come up with another series to continue the story...

not the voyager story itself, but rather the whole federation, romulans, borg, etc... world of the future. the latest "prequel" series star trek:enterprise never really grabbed me. ditto for DS9, although i did like it better in the seasons with worf as a cast member.

with voyager, sometimes only twice a day on spike just isn't enough.