The latest on the Boiling Oil Murder

[BOSSHOG]

Police think the suspect has crossed state lines to be hidden by family members so the FBI has gotten involved:

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/15222360.htm

[bkcc]

1. Wow. I hadn't heard about this before.

What a horrible way to go.

[RB TexLa]

2. I'm sure they won't seek the death penalty on her but I do hope

they at least say they aren't because she's a woman, and not because "Well, she's already lost so much."

[jobycom]

3. I don't know why you are sure of that

They don't know a motive yet. The man may have been abusing her (though it's looking less likely, since the police say there were no calls to the house, and none of the neighbors saw anything), and if so I doubt she'll get the death penalty. On the other hand, if she had no such motive, the courts in Mississippi will have few qualms about executing her.

It's way too early to know what happened, at least for us from this distance.

[RB TexLa]

7. Mississippi treats women murderers differently when it comes to the

death penalty.



http://mshistory.k12.ms.us/features/feature57/punishment.htm

The first known execution by the State of Mississippi was July 16, 1818, in Adams County with the hanging of George H. Harman, a white male, for “stealing a Negro.” Since then, the state has conducted 794 known executions. Of those executed, 639 have been black males, 117 white males, 19 black females, 2 Indian males, and 16 individuals not completely identified either by gender or by race. No white females are known to have been executed by the state.

[jobycom]

10. Well, you're in luck. She's black.

So there's a chance.

I wonder how often women have met the criteria for capital punishment, in relation to men. I'll bet most states have similar ratios.

[RB TexLa]

12. Historically men have commited more murders

I wasn't saying the genders equal out on that. But 19 out of almost 800?

[jobycom]

14. I agree, there is a bias, and I'm sure it was worse the farther back

one goes.

[jobycom]

22. Here's a web page on the death penalty and women

# As of January 1, 2006 there were 55 women on death row (NAACP Legal Defense Fund). This constitutes 1.5% of the total death row population of about 3,373 persons and less than 0.1% of the approximately 50,000 women in prisons in the United States.
# In the past 100 years, over 40 women have been executed in the U.S, including 11 since 1976. See, Women Executed in the U.S. Since 1900 for the date, state, race, and method of each execution.

* women account for about 1 in 10 (10%) murder arrests;
* women account for only 1 in 50 (2.0%) death sentences imposed at the trial level;
* women account for only 1 in 70 (1.4%) persons presently on death row; and
* women account for only 1 in 97 (1.1%) persons actually executed in the modern era.

Mississippi ranks eighth in number of women sentenced to death since 1973. There were 7, five of them white. No info on whether they are still there, or have been commuted or executed. First is a tie between Texas and California, with 17, so given populations, that's not too much a difference. Interestingly, California has the highest percentage of non-whites sentenced (8 white women, 9 non-white), whereas Texas has 11 white and 6 non-white.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=230&scid=24

[Sadie5]

4. I remember another deal similar to this one

Unless it was fabricated, back in the 70s the singer Al Green had a disgruntled girlfriend throw a pan full of hot grits on his in the bathtub. The radio stations reported it at the time. I was an Al Green fan back then and thought it tragic that anger could drive someone to burn another human being. We will have to wait and see on the boiling oil case. Wonder if this one involved anger?

[jobycom]

5. I wonder if this is the same guy?

From a photo taken last year before Hurricane Cindy hit, before Katrina. Since the tags on the car imply the man was ex-Navy.
http://www.flatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=A9&Date=20050706&Category=NEWS04&ArtNo=706001&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=7

[Kali]

8. huh? I get a picture of a guy working on a boat? No car, no tags???

[Kali]

9. nevermind - I see you are talking about the text of the story and the

names are the same (Sanders)

[BOSSHOG]

13. You may be onto something

Edna May had a motive. He didn't change the name of the boat from Beverlee Ann. And Diamondhead is just up the road from Biloxi.

I recall Cindy very well. She was a bitch too, not quite as rowdy as Katrina but still a pain in the butt for one long windy night.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

6. I Hope They Nab That Evil Woman ASAP And That The Children Are Ok.

Such a horrible act. I still can't believe how evil, cold and selfish some friggin people can be.

[jobycom]

11. Yeah, like

people screaming condemnations at someone without any clue of the full story.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. I Have All The Information I Need On That Piece Of Evil Garbage.

Did she pour boiling oil all over his body? Yes. Did she to degrees of viciousness we rarely hear of murder her husband? Yes.

That's enough for me to condemn the bitch, sorry bub.

[jobycom]

18. Sorry, too. I guess I hope you continue to lead

a sheltered life where you kind understand the full reality of situations.

[ShaneGR]

16. The whole story?

The whole story is that she poured 2 quarts of boiling oil on her sleeping husband. That's the whole story.

[jobycom]

20. How about this?

Man beats her up, tells her he is going to murder her and her two children when he gets up from a nap. Describes the gruesome way he's going to do it--like maybe setting the children on fire. Warns her that the cops will never believe her. Maybe even proved it at some point, by calling the cops and having them arrest her instead of him. What can she do? No gun, no one believes her. If she tries to beat or stab him and he gets up, he's three times her size and can kill her like snapping a twig. She needs some way to incapacitate him.

We have no idea what the story on this is. Maybe this woman is as evil as the story seems on the surface. Maybe there's more to it. What if the fourteen year old girl in Iraq had managed to pour burning oil on the soldiers raping her, thus saving her life and her families? Sentence her to death? Call her evil names? Or take the whole story into account?

[Kali]

25. someone came in at the end of this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1805990

and claimed to know the guy - said the woman was nuts and reacting to his wanting a divorce...I don't know if it is true, but there are violent, jealous women out there...usually it is the man, but maybe you shlould read the whole thread.

[jobycom]

26. I read that

And as I said, maybe that's the whole story. Maybe there's more. I was responding to the certainty and arrogance of the other post, not trying to claim I knew what was going on. As I stated explicitly. We don't know what happened.

All the info in the post from the person who said they knew the victim came straight from a FOX news report on a Mobile, AL, station. Maybe they knew him. Condolences if they did. If they did know him, maybe they knew him well enough to know the whole story, and maybe that's it. Or maybe they knew him enough to believe his cover story, but not enough to know the full story.

We don't know. That's all I've said, and I've said it both ways. Why people make up their mind on something this grave without knowing the details is beyond me.

[Shell Beau]

29. Even if that was a true scenario, pouring boiling oil

on another human being is beyond extreme. My word, there are more humane ways to go. I can't imagine that if I felt threatened enough to kill someone, I would use this tactic! Way too gruesome and cruel.

[tabasco]

17. The known fact is she burnt another human to death.

Based on the known facts, OMC's comments are appropriate.

You think it is inappropriate to "scream condemnations" at a person that burned another person to death?

I don't. And I don't ascribe unknown crimes or malfeasance to the victim, either.

You say wait for the facts, BUT, then speculate what the victim did to deserve it.

That is inappropriate.

[treestar]

21. people are merely predicting that this defense may come up

why not, it has happened in cases before.

It may not be the case here, but there is nothing wrong with speculating that it may be.

[jobycom]

23. I've covered both possibilities

If you read the thread. My point is we don't know.

[SOteric]

31. I don't read jobycom's comments that way.

And I don't find them inappropriate.

We know that the murder was committed and the gruesome way in which it was accomplished. We don't know what motivated it. That's the gist of joby's comments.

Maybe no extenuating and mitigating information will ever come forth regard this. Maybe we'll find out that Edna May Sanders is a evil lunatic who should rot in hell. Maybe next week it will come out that she found her husband in flagrante molesting their 5 year-old daughter and everyone will be saying the bastard deserved the boiling oil.

The bottom line is, this is all speculation at this point and it's perhaps a bit early for the vicious condmenation. There's no rush. We've plenty of time and lots of people who deserve a good can of whupass. Don't open it before it's time.

[Shell Beau]

32. That is very true! And if the woman did kill her husband for

some horrific thing he did, that is certainly one thing! But the method she chose to do it speaks volumes. There was a lot of hate there. A lot. That has got to be one of the worst ways to kill someone.

[jobycom]

34. Or a lot of fear

[senseandsensibility]

19. Still no photo of the woman anywhere?

Weird. She's on the run, the police ask for the public's help in finding her, and there's NO PHOTO anywhere. Not even a physical description.:shrug:

[BOSSHOG]

24. Her picture has been on the front page of the Sun-Herald for

the past two days (Print edition.)

www.sunherald.com

[jobycom]

30. Here's a local FOX station in Mobile with the story

http://www.fox10tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5232112

This was before he died. The video link shows her picture.

The report and the way FOX tells it is journalism at its worst.

[senseandsensibility]

33. Thanks for the link

and you're right about the FAUX coverage. :puke: But then, they have to appeal to their viewers. This story is horrifying enough without any attmepts to sensastionalize it.

[pitohui]

27. oh jesus, he died -- i hope those kids are okay

this is damn scary, bosshog

what's wrong w. people?

thanks for the update, btw, i didn't know he'd died or she was still on the run

[Shell Beau]

28. Wow! I haven't heard anything about this!

That is so gruesome!! And awful!