Folks who have seen Episode 3 (spoiler)

[nytemare]

A couple of days after seeing the movie, it occurred to me that the Darth Plagues that Palpatine referred to trained Palpatine.

It took me a while, but dang it, I figured it out!

[villager]

1. well, yes. Foreshadowing.

Palpatine killed Darth Plagues -- just as his "apprentice" would kill him in "Return of the Jedi..."

[nytemare]

2. Yep. But I don't think he taught Vader everything

as he was taught. I wondered why Vader didn't used the lightning.

[Hatalles]

3. Some people speculate Vader couldn't use lightning because...

He was more 'machine' than 'man' -- or, in other words, both of his arms are pretty much cybernetic. If midichlorians are what allows one to interact with the Force and midi's are part of cells, yeah... you get the picture.

EDIT: Also, Plageuis might have had something to do with the conception of Anakin -- after all, Palpatine says he (Plageuis) had the power to *create* life... but then again, Palpatine might have been lying. It's also been said that in the brainstorming phase for Episode II or III, Lucas toyed with the idea of Palpatine being Anakin's "father" -- from a certain point of view. I think if Lucas had gone that route, it would have been Sidious with those Plageuis type powers.

[nytemare]

4. He did say that Plageuis taught his apprentice everything he knew

I don't have too much doubt that Palpatine had all those powers.

That is interesting what you say about Vader being more machine than man. I still wonder that Palpatine didn't teach him everything. I don't think he would teach him everything, his knowledge would always give him something to hold over his apprentice's heads. He just didn't seem like the type of guy to share everything.

I think it would be interesting to see how Palpatine got that unredeemably evil. I doubt we ever will, though.

[Democrats_win]

5. Palpatined DIDN't know how to keep ppl form dying! He Lied!

He admits this when he tells Anakin that together they will figure out how to save Padme. He lied to gain Anakin's loyalty and it worked.

Sound familiar? Yet another bush/dark side comparison. On edit, I wish everyone could understand that there is nothing keeping bush from lying especially when he's 100% evil.

Also, according to February's Vanity Fair, the force itself may be Anakin's father. Its sort of a play on the christian virgin birth idea. In any case, Anakin's father is a matter of pure speculation.

[Rabrrrrrr]

6. And Shmea said in Episode I that Anikan has no father

[nytemare]

11. Yeah, I forgot that!

Episode 1 was not my favorite, so I haven't watched it much.

[nytemare]

7. I find the cloudiness in the character interesting

If Plageius taught him everything, and he DID know how to keep people from dying, then Palpatine had this power. Then again, Palpatine could have lied about not having the power. He could have known it and kept it from Vader.

This plot was much better than Episodes 1 and 2, which I was disappointed somewhat in. This plot had depth.

[Democrats_win]

8. That's the thing about this lie: Is he lying now or was he lying then?

Maybe he didn't want to help Padme--like the Jedi he didn't want disciples being married. If Palpatine had learned this, would he have helped Darth Maul and Count Dokoo? Maybe not.

[nytemare]

9. I am wondering if Palpatine killed Padme now

The droids said her health was fine. I wonder if this is something Palpatine planned all along, to make Vader angry so he could use the anger.

Hmmm!

I am really sounding like a Star Wars geek, now...LOL.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

14. it would have fried his breathing system

the way it did in return of the jedi-it's barely running when luke takes the mask off

[Democrats_win]

10. Good point.

Note how Anakin stood by and watched Mace Windu being blasted away by Palpatine's lightning after he, Anakin, had helped Palpatine who faked being weak.

Contrastly, in Return of the Jedi, Darth Vader helps Luke escape the lighning. The conclusion of Jedi suggests that this one act redeemed him from all the evil that he did.

On edit, the fact that Palpatine didn't teach Anakin the lightning trick may be the pure selfishness character trait of someone who is completely evil unlike the Obi-Wan who taught Anakin "everything he knew."

[nytemare]

12. Yep. I liked Mace Windu, too!

There were some good lightsaber duels in this one!

[Radical Activist]

13. two things

Vader was weakened when he was burned and lost his limbs. Lucas said that Vader would have had twice the powers has Palpatine, but because of his injuries was less powerful than palpatine.

Second, I speculate that Palpatine is the reason Vader survided his injuries. What was that little motion palpatine made over Vader's body when he found him? Maybe a way to keep him living. Perhaps he was keeping Vader alive, which is why Vader died right after the emporor died in ep. 6.

[nytemare]

15. Yeah, I wasn't thinking of that!!

Maybe he did keep him alive. I think if I was a crusty fry, I would have just wanted to die.