Chick tract of the Day: L'il Susy keeps her friends from becoming Muslim

[Zuni]

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1054/1054_01.asp

[KitchenWitch]

1. ...

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

[kick-ass-bob]

2. I sit here with mouth agape in amazement.

:o

[Zuni]

3. Jack Chick will do that to you

The first time I saw Jack Chick's work, I was literally stunned. There are hundreds of these little cartoons and the are banned in Canada. Jack Chick was found so offensive they banned him in Canada

[TrogL]

43. I still see them up here

[xxqqqzme]

4. I thought this was a joke!?

these people R sick to their souls. I love the 'meet jesus' link 'good deeds will not save you', but evidently spreading lies and disinformation will.

[Zuni]

5. no, Jack Chick is all too real

there are plenty more of these cartoons under 'tracts'

Some of them are even more offensive.

[NewJeffCT]

9. The Dungeons & Dragons one is hysterical

Especially, if you see it with commentary added from the Mystery Science Theater folks...

[kick-ass-bob]

where is that?

link?

[Zuni]

15. here is the original

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp

[KitchenWitch]

17. OMFG

That is *SO* not how I became a witch!

[Zuni]

21. The characters aren't always easy to identify with

Jack Chick lives in a scary, bizarre little world

[KitchenWitch]

23. It never ceases to amaze me how much misinformation people are

willing to put up with!

[NewJeffCT]

41. You mean you weren't brought into a room

Of 13 cloaked figures & a pentagram drawn on the floor?

[kick-ass-bob]

19. Wow!

That never happened at the games in my apartment.
:shrug:

[Zuni]

27. Maybe that is why your games were boring!

You need to spice them up with paganism and suicide

[CanuckAmok]

25. Damned brunettes! Just can't trust them Veronicas!

n/t

[NewJeffCT]

And, here is the one with the MST3K commentary added

http://www.fecundity.com/cgi-bin/darkdung.pl?page=1

The arrows to advance the page are not too clear. They are purple in color.

[BikeWriter]

42. ACK! ;-(

[deutsey]

6. What's up with Mark Twain wearing a pirate patch?

Seriously, this is disgusting. I've been aware of these tracts since the mid-'70s. Chick used to be really bigoted toward Asians, especially the Chinese. Now it looks like Muslims are in his sites.

[Zuni]

8. Chick can be really offensive to some

I find his work to be hilarious. It is amazing to me that someone really makes these seriously.

[deutsey]

14. I've known plenty of evangelicals who use these to "witness"

[tjwmason]

Everybody except radical evangelical fundies

I particularly like the anti-Catholics ones - but maybe that's because I'm a Catholic.

[no name no slogan]

24. "Grampa, are you a pirate?"

Heh, I also like the stereotypical "little hajji" outfits that the Muslim kids are wearing. Apparently all Muslims dress EXACTLY like this :eyes:

Hmmm, I wonder why all the Christian men don't have long hair and beards??? After all, Jeebus did, right?

[tjwmason]

7. Do we even bother with the major inaccuracies

Such as noting that Arabic Christians refer to God as Allah.

Such as noting that the crescent is a much later addition.

-Goes and bangs his head against a wall several times.-

[Zuni]

10. you just have to accept Chick for Chick

he is good for a few laughs in the afternoon

[KitchenWitch]

13. How about the fact that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all claim

the same forefathers!

[deutsey]

18. Like Jesus is God, but God sends Jesus to earth

[northzax]

20. and you missed the whole

"jesus created the Earth" thing. Here I was reading Genesis the other day, and how many times does the word Jesus appear?

come on, people, someone knows..how many times does the name Jesus appear in the book of Genesis?

anyone?

[tjwmason]

26. He's actually right theologically there

The whole 'In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth' from Genesis, is mirrored by the whole 'In the beginning was the Word' from S. John.

It is true that the name Jesus is only applied to the second Person of the Trinity after the Incarnation, but in so far as one recognises Jesus as the 2nd Person then He did create.

That he did so in 6 days is not only silly, but it's also a very new idea - theologians going back over 1000 year (without the aid of scientific evidence too) knew full well that creation took a damn lot longer than 144 hours.

[no name no slogan]

29. Hmmm. How can Jeebus be "God" and the "Son of God"??

Isn't that kind of impossible?

You'll have to speak slowly, because I'm a member of an inferior religion :dunce:

[tjwmason]

32. Now you'll need a real theologian

Rather than sombody who knew that there was decent coffee in the common room of the Divinity College at university.

Essentially we refer to the first Person of the Trinity as both God the Father, and just plain God. We also refer to the whole of the Trinity as God (which is more correct). Thus Christ is God by virtue of being part of the Trinity. He is the Son of God the Father, whom we colloquially call God.

Hope that makes some sort of sense, Trinitarian theology makes sense but only after you've learned a couple of hundred new words mostly in Greek.

I've probably committed several major heresies in there b.t.w.

[deutsey]

33. Actually, Jesus wasn't equated with God for three hundred years

After the Council of Nicea rendered that decision in 325 AD, Christianity has used a lot of pretzel logic to 'splain it somehow.

[tjwmason]

36. Before Nicaea doctrine was hazy and we know very little

That's what living under persecution does.

But the Johanine prologue is certainly pre A.D.325 and makes the Divinity of Christ very clear.

[deutsey]

37. Before Nicea, Christology was diverse

just as there were a number of gospels.

Interestingly, The Gospel of John almost didn't make it into the Canon.

[tjwmason]

39. Some of the stuff which nearly made it is very interesting

I think it's the Epistle of Barnabas which suggests that rats (or some similar creature) have sex using their mouths.

It would be great to see the fundies defending that.

[deutsey]

40. LOL

By the way, just for your information and not to challenge Trinitarian views, here is an interesting overview of why Unitarian Christians in the 19th century rejected the Trinity:

THE TRINITY.


§ 17. The doctrine of the Trinity, as stated in the creeds of all the so-called Orthodox churches, is this: that there are three persons in the Godhead,‹ the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,‹and that these three are one God, the same in substance, equal in power and glory, but distinguished by personal properties. The Athanasian Creed is the most distinct formula of this doctrine. It says: "The Catholic faith is this, ‹that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one; the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal." This doctrine teaches that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God; and yet there are not three Gods, but one God. Each may be worshipped separately. Each has a separate work and office, which must not be confounded with that of the others; for that would be the heresy of Sabellius, who confounded the persons. But we must not say that they are three persons, like Peter, James, and John; for that would be dividing the substance, which is another fatal heresy.
See the "Westminster Assembly's Catechism," which is the creed of the whole Presbyterian church; the Athanasian Creed, still read or sung, by authority, four times a year in the Church of England; the Augsburg Confession; and the creeds of other Orthodox denominations. § 18. Unitarians reject the Church doctrine of the Trinity,‹

(a) Because it is unintelligible. Although many attempts have been made to explain it, none have proved satisfactory. It therefore remains, even by the admission of its advocates, a mystery; and a mystery is something unintelligible, and therefore cannot be an object of belief.
(b) Because the doctrine of the Trinity is nowhere plainly taught in the New Testament.
This is admitted by many candid Trinitarians. Thus, Neander, a Trinitarian, says of this doctrine: "It is expressly held forth in no one particular passage of the New Testament." (Church History, Torrey's translation, vol. i. p. 572.) Many such testimonies might be adduced. (c) Because the texts quoted in support of the Trinity are inadequate or irrelevant.
The famous text of the Three Witnesses has been shown so convincingly to be an interpolation, that it has been rejected by most Trinitarians and omitted in the Revised Version. The Baptismal Formula (Matt. xxviii. 19) and the Benediction (2 Cor. xiii. 14) are passages often brought forward as proofs of the Trinity. But in neither of them is it stated that the Son is God, or that the Holy Spirit is a person, or that these three are the one supreme God. That these passages should be constantly quoted as proofs of the doctrine of the Trinity shows that no real proof-texts of the doctrine can be found in the New Testament. They may seem to imply it to one who already believes that doctrine; but to those who do not already believe it they appear as a summary of the truth which proceeds from the Father, the only true God,‹through Jesus Christ, his holy child and the mediator of his love,‹and made part of the soul and life by the inward influence of the Divine Spirit. (d) Because there are many texts in the New Testament plainly opposed to the Church doctrine of the Trinity.
Such are the texts in which the Father is called the one or only God; which could not be said if the Son is also God, and the Holy Spirit God. 1 Cor. viii. 5, 6: "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there are gods many and lords many,) but to us there is one God, the Father:" Eph. iv. 6: "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." John xvii. 3: Jesus prays to the Father, saying, "Father! the hour is come!" and immediately adds, "This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God." Eph. v. 20. The Apostle directs the Ephesians to give "thanks always, for all things, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to God, even the Father" (Revised Version.) If the Son were God, and the Holy Ghost God, it would be our duty to pray to them also. But all prayers are commanded to be addressed to the Father. See Matt. vi. 9; John iv. 23, xvi. 23.
(e) Because we know when and where the doctrine of the Trinity began, and how it gradually took form.

In the famous Proem to his Gospel John opposes the idea that the Logos, or Word, was anything different from God himself. The Word, he tells us, is God speaking, first, in creation,‹ "By him," God speaking, "were all things made." He refers here, no doubt, to the common phrases of the Old Testament,‹God said, "Let there be light;" "The Word of the Lord came to Isaiah;" etc. Secondly, the Word is God speaking in the soul,‹"That was the true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." Thirdly, the Word is God revealed in Jesus,‹"The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us." He thus teaches that as God speaks in creation and speaks in the human reason, he also speaks in Jesus more clearly and fully. But, as if to obviate the possibility of being under stood to say that Christ was God when he really says that God is in Christ, he adds, "No man hath SEEN God at any time."
This conception of Christ as a Logos, or Word of God, or a revelation of God, continued to be taught down to the time of the Synod of Nice (A.D. 325). The Apostles' Creed, which in its substance goes back to a very early Christian period, contains no trace of the doctrine of the Trinity. It calls God "the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth." The Nicene Creed, in its original form, knows nothing of the Trinity. It calls Jesus "God," but speaks of him as God of God, meaning "God derived from God," and so makes his divinity derived and dependent. And it was not till the year 380, after much controversy and party strife, that the doctrine of the Trinity was established in the Church. In the year 383 Theodosius the Emperor threatened to punish all who did not accept this doctrine.

http://www.americanunitarian.org/manual.htm

[northzax]

31. well, that's really splitting hairs, isn't it?

you could just as easilr attribute it all to the Holy Spirit (of ghost) couldn't you?

I mean isn't it generally considered that God and Jesus are seperate entities that combine with the HG to make a complete package?

What of john 3:16 "sent his only son" doesn't that imply that God and Jesus are seperate, if even for the 33 years Jesus spent on Earth? And that Jesus is a secondary creation of God?

I'm no scholar in this region, so I'm just extrapolating here. how do they get around that?

[tjwmason]

34. It is attributed to the Holy Ghost as well

It was an act of the Trinity, which necessarily means that Jesus was involved, along with the Father and the Holy Ghost. But there is a specific mention (in the Johanine prologue) of the 2nd Person creating ("without him was not anything made that was made").

I'm no scholar of this religion either b.t.w.

[7th_Sephiroth]

11. if i rever run into this wingnut

lets see his god stop the lead pipe thats going to accidentally going to bash his skull in

[sniffa]

12. where's a fatwa when you need one?

[CanuckAmok]

16. I doubt she has any friends left. Why hasn't this happened to I'il Susy?:

[BurtWorm]

22. Only in the world of Jack Chick would this guy be a good guy

and not some candy-proffering pervert.

[no name no slogan]

28. He's the Love Boat's bartender by day, but at night.....

....he becomes SUPER GRAMPA!!! Defender of the faith, protector of naive little girls, able to make a gallon of Martinis from a 1/2 liter of gin!!!!

[tjwmason]

38. A gallon of Martini from 1/2 Litre of gin???????

Now that I have to see.

If true they should dump Islam AND Christianity and worship Grampa.

Unless of course he dilutes the gin with vermouth, in which case (as we all thought anyway) he is actually leading everybody astray.

[Arkana]

30. Oh my God...mega barf alert

What a fucking xenophobe. :puke:

[Amfortas]

35. ....

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[jmowreader]

44. Here's one of my favorite Chick Tracts

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0041/0041_01.asp

Flight 144: a missionary and his wife spend 50 years in Africa building hospitals and curing lepers, die in a plane crash, get thrown in the Lake of Fire anyway. The guy in the seat next to them killed someone, finds the Lord in the pokey, converted his cellmate to Jesus, gets into Heaven.