Well darn... seems to me we've got a lot of newcomer naysayers

[Misunderestimator]

here lately... Is it driving anyone else as crazy as it is me? Or should I just stay out of GD04?

[belladonna]

1. I'm avoiding that place as much as possible

I'll feel optimistic about Kerry and our chances of taking back the White House, go into GD2004, and come out an hour later depressed and convinced that we're going to lose and have to put up with Smirky for another four years.

If ever comes a night when I really feel like kicking ass, I'll go look for trolls in there, but that's about it for me and GD2004 for the next three weeks.

[Misunderestimator]

2. And the odd thing is that those that bring me down have all

joined DU in the past month or so. Ok, so bring me down isn't exactly accurate... make me furious is more apt.

[mom cat]

6. Hey! Don't let them win. We need to fight for everything we worked

to build!

[daddybear]

40. ????????????????

What is GD2004?

[Misunderestimator]

44. General Discussion: Campaign 2004

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=132

[daddybear]

53. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I never go there. Hehehe I like this lounge... more to talk about than Dumbutt...

[mom cat]

3. Please stay in and voice your concerns over and over if necessary.

I too have noticed a number of negative newbies. Maybe we need to use the alert button more often. Thanks for your observations.

[Misunderestimator]

10. Oh, I will... I wouldn't want to miss the constructive threads and posts

And I can't help but respond to idiotic positions when I see them. :)

[qnr]

17. I kind of like them

though I admit I haven't been arguing with them. You know that they are arguments they've been prepped to use (in a majority of cases) - just ends up preparing me if I happen to run into them in the local supermarket :shrug:

[fishnfla]

4. No way, not me

I aint never said nothing negative about nobody.

[Misunderestimator]

7. Well, you're hardly a newbie...

I'm talking about all the negative threads (and posts) I've seen lately in GD04 that sound suspiciously negative, when there's no reason to be negative. Hell, this "president" has such an extremely low approval rating that we shouldn't be so worried. We should just be doing our part to get Kerry elected. The kind of negativity I'm seeing is destructive... definitely not constructive.

[fishnfla]

22. i was just funing you, friend

forget about it!

Dont let it bring you down, its only castles burning....

[Misunderestimator]

24. LOL... How true.

[havocmom]

5. Instead of letting it annoy you, remember that it is a sign of desperation

that they work so hard to try and defeat us by depressing & demoralizing us.

Laugh in their faces. Challenge them where it matters and will help the cause. Ignore them the rest of the time. No point letting them steal time and energy from us.

[Misunderestimator]

8. Good point.

I do try... It's just annoying to see so much more of it recently from so many new members.

[JohnKleeb]

9. yawn whats happening?

You mean the types that don't know history.

[Misunderestimator]

12. LOL... Yep, and the ones that make up shit... and the ones that grab

onto any new article that seems to support Bush. I really don't understand the tactic frankly. All that will do is get people here more motivated to do their part to support Kerry and get the truth out.

Hmm... I guess I just argued myself into ignoring the crap... go figure.

[JohnKleeb]

14. The types that are new to politics and don't know jack about Kerry

ahh typical, they need to be edumacated. GD2004 is nuts but reg GD is driving me nuts right now. My head hurts, owwie!

[Philostopher]

11. I'm having bad premonitions about possible 'shenanigans' in Ohio,

but overall I'm still optimistic -- I know what you're saying. I think GD04 is growing continually more bipolar by the day, and I say that as someone who's had experience with untreated bipolars. Is there a computer equivalent of Lithium we could flush through that forum, maybe?

[Misunderestimator]

15. Now wouldn't that be nice?

Maybe they've been coming from the other internets... and have infected us with a virus. :D

As for the shenanigans... now that's a real issue, in Ohio and elsewhere. We need to be prepared for the dirtiest of all tricks from this administration, and we see it happening already.

[Philostopher]

21. My concern is, primarily, for the health and safety of poor

and minority voters. I really worry about things being pushed to the point of violence, and people getting hurt.

GD04 isn't any nastier than it was during the primaries ... but there was a reason for it during the primaries. While I won't hammer on long-timers and newbies who express realistic fears, I do think there may be some people over there who just like to 'stir up the shit pot' as my uncle used to say, whether it's politically-motivated or personally motivated. Some people just like to stir the pot, even if the pot contains people they agree with, because they like the control and the attention.

[Bluebear]

13. Help......me......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2499820&mesg_id=2500289&page=

[JohnKleeb]

16. What a concidence

I just infered to that :).

[Misunderestimator]

18. Oh jeez.... on my way

[JohnKleeb]

20. talk about hell hole eh

[Misunderestimator]

23. Unbelievable... I feel sorry for the moderators...

[JohnKleeb]

26. Well I appreciate you not going after Christians

by mocking the spelling "Cristians". Sigh I hate religious fucking battles because let's face it, all sides, whatever they be act like assholes. Don't know what his problem is, callin people asshole etc.

[Bluebear]

27. Appreciate the reinforcement, dudes!

:toast:

[JohnKleeb]

28. You should thank her not me

She's the one actually battling the dude but really I highly doubt though I wouldn't know personally that its a choice to be gay or not, I don't think it is, my philo on how your sexuality comes about is that it just sort of happens, like for instance, dancing with that cutie in 4th grade, or staring at the girls in middle school, etc all have made me realize I am hetero. I didn't say one day hey I like girls, I am hetero, I saw "girl name here" wow she's gorgeous I thought, and etc I am hetero. Sorry for the rant :D.

[Misunderestimator]

32. LOL... no apologies necessary... and you're right...

which is why it's a little (sic) bit suspicious for someone to first say that he's a sinner because he's gay, then to say he's not Christian (ergo, where does the sinning come from), then to say that he CHOSE it, then to say he's always been that way. If he's for real, then he's the first gay person I've known in my life to feel all those things. :eyes:

[JohnKleeb]

36. Appreciated

I just don't wanna risk sounding ignorant which I can damn well be. It is strange isn't it? As I said I didn't really choose to be straight, now I saw gorgeous girls and I was like wow, I'd like to umm you know :D. Here's another attempt at philosophy by me, A gay person who treats people good, works his or her life to help others stands a better chance in getting in to heaven than a heterosexual who uses faith as a tool for money or to discriminate against others, its the same thing with other faiths. the pResident believes that anyone who's not born again can't enter heaven :eyes: what a bastard eh, sorry for the ranting again.

[Misunderestimator]

35. You're quite welcome.... anytime

[Misunderestimator]

29. He doesn't have a problem...

He's a disruptor, that's all.

[JohnKleeb]

31. My disruptdar sucks

as does my just about everything dar, so I won't pass final judgement until he gets stoned :D.

[Bluebear]

:) Disruptor through and through

"I am gay, I chose it and I am a horrible sinner" with 3 posts. Yup, not too hard lmao!

[JohnKleeb]

38. hah but I am a fool

I was always telling my dad when I was 8 or 9 years old when he was like you know Smithers on the Simpsons is gay right, I was like no he's not!, and you know that guy John, I was like 13 when I really looked closely at that episode and realized it. I know that's gaydar but you get the picture, I am an idiot in some regards :D.

[Misunderestimator]

39. That's why it's up to us gay people to out them...

:D You aren't expected to know... and you're not an idiot. (Except about the whole hot/sexist thing... :bounce:)

[JohnKleeb]

42. Ahh can we let that hot thing go

I apologized and I am an idiot in other things other than that. Oh and about Smithers, I can't believe I couldn't tell, like the comments he makes at Mr. Burns, it's pretty funny though when you look at it knowing the whole thing and all.

[Misunderestimator]

45. :) Never...

just kidding of course... and I don't watch South Park, so I don't really have an opinion on that.

[JohnKleeb]

47. hah just like the speedo thing

I still get picked on for that too. Glad you forgave me for that. Umm Smithers is on the Simpsons not South Park, Mr. Garrison is the gay guy on South Park, and you know what, I didn't think he was gay either!, god my gaydar sucks and I think its good that it sucks.

[qnr]

43. My older brother is gay, and we share many of the same

friends, but I'm still not very good at figuring out who is or isn't. Actually, most of the time when I am asked what I think (about celebrities), I just tell them that I don't know and don't care :shrug:

[JohnKleeb]

46. yes but Wayland Smithers flirts with Mr. Burns

and has a naked picture of him as his screensaver, any idiot should have realized oh he's gay. I can't tell either, is that bad or good? I like to think it's good.

[qnr]

48. Yeah, been a while since I've watched the Simpsons

Smithers is obvious - I've also heard people say Flanders was, but I don't see that.

[JohnKleeb]

49. Yeah and I didnt notice

I am a dumbass. Flanders? I haven't heard that, he's just friendly, the man has had girlfriends in the past, now maybe ole Neddy isn't the best guy with women but he hits from that side of the plate.

[jdots]

81. The rubes are attacking everywhere

Art sites ( artists are leftys you know ) they even have glommed onto a few audi sites.. on one art site a moderator was a blantent Bushkin. as for coming here late- f*ck me !

[Misunderestimator]

85. I read on a RW site... someone there bragging about being a moderator

here... Weird... not sure what they think they are accomplishing, other than distracting us.

[sundog]

19. I also try to avoid it...

It feels a bit too Chicken Little in there if ya know what I mean.

I feel really positive going into the final stretch.

Stay positive... this is our strength.

Don't get sucked into the doom & gloom. :hi:

[Misunderestimator]

25. "Stay positive... this is our strength" hear hear

exactly... :hi:

[ismnotwasm]

30. Well I'm new (at least at posting)

But I don't start threads. Don't know why, I guess others are quicker and better at it. But my gut, and my intellect is telling me Kerry's gonna win. I let others doom and gloom it, and sometimes I don't argue, but I got this Feeling, ya know? I've always paid attention to the rumblings on the street, and I'm very good at picking up on nuances and reading between the lines, so to speak. I'm very, very optimistic. The only way * will win is by committing some sort of felony. In, fact, I foresee a wild street party across our nation on November 3rd, as emerge from the black hole we've been sucked into. AND off topic. Homosexuality is not, nor has it ever been a sin. At least not any worse a sin than eating lobsters....

[JohnKleeb]

34. mmmmmm lobsters

[Misunderestimator]

37. Welcome to DU!

And you ARE welcome. I'm sure that MOST of the new members are sincere as you are. And... It will be ONE WILD PARTY, won't it? :)

[Lord_StarFyre]

33. The FREEPERS have always bragged about

...Trying to infiltrate DU.

Just wait until after dumbshitya is soundly defeated on Nov 2nd, they'll be out in force trying to strike back the only way they know how, whining and sniveling.

[skygazer]

41. Yeah, it's a jungle out there today

And I'm just kind of mellow and sleepy and don't feel like sifting through the bullshit.

But even the lounge is kinda dead today. I suppose I could do laundry or clean my house.... nah.

Maybe I'll start a thread about body waxing or something....

[JohnKleeb]

50. WE"RE DOOMED, BUSH MAY ACTUALLY WIN A STATE

:D
Sorry.

[qnr]

51. State what? Penitentiary? n/t

[JohnKleeb]

55. UTAH!

:D and maybe Wyoming too, Idaho, oh my god we're doomed, Bush may actually even if he doesn't win a state, he may win a county, even then though he cuold still win a town, or even if he cant win a town, he can win a neighborhood, and if he can't win a neighborhood, he can win a family, and even if he can't win a family, he may gasp get a vote. :D Simplest form :shrug:

[Misunderestimator]

54. LOL...

you damned troll, you... :D

[JohnKleeb]

57. hah

EVEN IF BUSH DOESN'T WIN A STATE, HE CAN STILL WIN A COUNTY EVEN WITHOUT COUNTIES HE CAN STILL WIN TOWNS, IF HE CAN'T WIN TOWNS HE CAN WIN PRECINCTS, AND EVEN IF HE CAN'T WIN PRECINCTS, HE CAN WIN A FAMILY, AND EVEN IF HE CAN'T WIN A SINGLE FAMILY, HE MAY GASP YOU HEARD ME, HE MAY ACTUALLY GET A VOTE, WE'RE DOOMED!. How's that, Trollaccuracy? :shrug: If so lemme add that to my many talents.

[qnr]

60. I must face facts

My dog must have Republican leanings.... he always goes to the bush when he wants to do his business, rather than the Kerry/Edwards yard sign <sigh>

[JohnKleeb]

62. hah wouldn't that mean vice versa

:D.

[qnr]

63. Well yeah, but I'm in Naysaying mode at the moment.... n/t

[JohnKleeb]

65. ahh yeah

Hey I read the national and state polls, Kerry only has 500 electoral votes according to it, we're doomed!

[qnr]

67. Oh my Go---- um, uh... goodness! we're doomed!

[JohnKleeb]

68. were you aware that we may lose Wyoming

Damnit Kerry you need to do better :D.

[qnr]

69. No! Must be those ant-Democrat jokes on the bulletin boards

in the rest areas! Kerry should have demanded that they be taken down!

[JohnKleeb]

70. We're gonna lose Utah too

Kerry should have run as a far leftist, than the Utahns would vote for him :D.

[qnr]

72. Why, oh why, didn't he get himself a couple of spare wives?

The man just doesn't think!

[JohnKleeb]

83. His grandfather should have converted to Mormonism not Catholicism!

hah.

[Forkboy]

52. Well,I have to admit I'm pretty much a naysayer

I'm worse than a chronically depressed lemming!

But I am trying to hold my tongue...for now.It's hard though.I hate having people tell me or others what we can and cannot say.It's such an ingrained thing for me to say "FUCK THAT!".But I'm trying...really I am :)

But I think you should just confront us doom and gloomers.Dont take our shit dammit! :D

[Misunderestimator]

56. Ok then....

shut up with your damn whining and DO something about it...

Just kidding :D

[Bluebear]

58. What did you mean by THAT crack!???!!

j/k

[Misunderestimator]

59. Hey... no sex talk

:spank:

[JohnKleeb]

61. no, I think he meant this crack

aka
Tony Montana Juice
Henry Hill's Special
Pablo Escobar's Best
Stuff that George W Bush was once addicted to

[Bluebear]

64. Um no I meant sidewalk crack, yeah that's it!

[JohnKleeb]

66. crack

:D

[Bluebear]

75. Ha ha ha ha ha

I like that

[JohnKleeb]

82. more crack

Tyrone Biggums

[Forkboy]

73. Now march back into that GD04 Forum and give 'em hell!!!!

:)

[qnr]

71. I'm confused, are we supposed to be

naysaying newcomers or something?

oh... wait... I'm a newcomer, maybe I don't want to know...

[Misunderestimator]

74. Ha... I hope that was a joke

[qnr]

76. Well, kinda sorta, but

shouldn't be be naysaying newcomer naysayers?

[Misunderestimator]

78. LOL... Yep... that's what we should do.

[Bluebear]

77. Well it looks safe for me to go eat

Hold the fort :toast:

[qnr]

79. Soytainly - enjoy! n/t

[Misunderestimator]

80. Ha... Enjoy your dinner!!

:toast:

[jonnyblitz]

84. what about us old timer naysayers?

:P

[JohnKleeb]

86. You get a medal for naysayery

:shrug: but I planned to use my power as a mock congressman to award one to David Chappelle :D. Hey btw, you know that guy Talabi whose article you sent me, that dude went undercover as a republican, pretty bold eh :), something I could never do, though I dress traditional and yeah somewhat live traditionally too but we all know right wingers dont do that.

[Misunderestimator]

87. Hahahah.... YOU I can handle...

There's a difference between intelligent discourse about problems that we should all understand and peurile monotony that makes no sense and is plainly done to disrupt. :)

[NamVetsWeeLass]

88. I hope I am not included in the negative Newbies

and that I am not one of the ones that seems to infuriate everyone. I know we can win this thing!! The one thing I would love is a TRUE indication of how things look for us, I am not being negative, I am simply wanting some kind of validation that we are indeed winning. Unfortunatly, it seems that all I can find are things that are so severely skewed toward one candidate or the other...(IE Faux news skews everything toward Bush...) oh well, Had a hard 8 hour shift at work, complete with crazy old people deciding that I resemble a Kick Boxing Spar partner...