Catholic does not equal Christian

[SemiCharmedQuark]

What the hell? Does anyone other than fundies actually believe this? The indulgences were hundreds of years ago! GET OVER IT!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

1. The offensive sentence you're looking for is "Catholics aren't Christians"

Since there are Christians who are not Catholic (Orthodox, all Protestants), your thread title is technically correct.

And yes, people who believe that are nasty. Avoid'em like the plague.

[JPJones]

2. Go to some Protestant churches on Reformation Sunday

(I think it's coming up soon). It will remind you of America 150 years ago.

[DeadHead67]

3. There are a LOT of 'christians' who aren't Christians !

I really wish everybody would stop using 'christian right',when they refer to a large group of avid fascists not-so-thinly veiled as 'christians'. It is TOO obvious that their political agenda overrides their religious 'beliefs'. To foment the kind of hatred towards others, which they do, is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus. Amen.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

5. You're right...

...haters from the religious right will often use religion as a means to legitimise their hatred. I call them unchristians.

[blondeatlast]

14. So right...

In fact, leave the "Christian," "Jewish," "Muslim," et al out of the phrase "fundamentalist." It hurts the quiet, peaceful followers of all beliefs.

Fred Phelps, Osama bin Laden, et al are fundamentalists. Their beliefs don't push them into their hatred, mental illness does.

[HawkerHurricane]

32. Call them what they are.

Saulists. Followers not of Jesus the Christ, but Paul/Saul of Tarsus.

[Archae]

4. There's a Jack Chick comic book that says Catholics will go to hell

And they aren't Christians.

I tell people who I bump into once in a while handing out Chick comic books and stuff like it, "It's your hell, YOU go to it."

[NamVetsWeeLass]

22. "It's your hell, YOU go to it."

now for my personal quote "Your Commandments, Your Savior, Your Rules, Your Hell, YOU GO!"

[miss_kitty]

6. look at the capital letters

if you are ragging on an exactly worded subject line I typed out (copy and paste?)-then you'll notice I used capital 'C' Catholic and capital 'C' Christian.
sheesh! no need for crusades and religious wars among anti-Bush types. plus this IS the lounge.

Catholics believe that while they follow the teaching of Christ and are therefore christians, they aren't 'Christians'. Capital 'C' Christians think Catholics are sinners, are all going to hell, and are not them.

take your own advice, the last sentence in your OP. And look into that passive-agressive thing you got going. If you have a problem with something I say, TAKE IT UP WITH ME. No need to start a shaming thread...:)

[SemiCharmedQuark]

9. Sorry, I didn't mean it to be you, I meant it general

I used your line because it was concise and clear. I don't believe I've met any of the fundie Christian types here on DU to whom I'm referring. Specifically someone in one of my classes Freshman year is the type to whom I'm referring, hence the indulgence thing. He was getting on my case for being Catholic because he said *I* sold indulgences. Those are the people I'm talking about.

I took your line to be somewhat sarcastic in the MG thread (from the smiley). I honestly didn't direct it toward you since I doubt you are a fundie. Sorry if it came off that way.
Thanks

Steph

[miss_kitty]

30. okay.

i thought that was one of those things.. now i see that other people are um whatever...it is based on the CCD (Confraternity of Christian Doctrine) that was crammed up my ass, and the being baptised as a Catholic against my will (age 13-past the age of consent) and then my brothers subsequent conversion to that 'Christian' religion that is against a woman's right to choose and all for the death penalty and war. and says even if you believe in Christ, if you are not a member of his specific religion, you will be going to hell. How Catholic of the...if I recall the lessons of CCD correctly, that is their stance as well.

I guess Catholics DO equal Christians in that case :D

sorry-I jumped to conclusions about the intent of your thread :hi:

[Pithlet]

20. Wrong

I don't know where you got this big C little C stuff, but Catholics are Christians. The capitals are appropriate because they're describing a religion. I'm not a Christian, but I'm married to a Catholic and many of my family members are Catholic.

[Cheswick2.0]

25. WTF?

I am a Christian and so are the Catholics. I am a liberal Presbyterian and anyone who believes in the teachings of Christ is a Christian.

[demosincebirth]

7. Who put the bible together?

Catholic Church? Protestants? fundies?

[Radical Activist]

17. a bunch of people who

burned the parts that were too controversial. oh well.

[Cheswick2.0]

26. Christians put the bible together

All Christians are part of the Catholic church, Catholic being the word meaning Universal.
It's just that protestants broke off when they thought the official Catholic was getting some stuff wrong and was corrupt.

[Mizmoon]

8. I'm a Catholic. I'm a Christian.

and I don't care what anyone else thinks. Period.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. i think the problem is that a lot of Christians

think its sacrilegious to have anyone aside from God be declared infallible.

[aquart]

11. God is infallible?

What nonsense is this?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. huh?

[catchthefever]

13. History

It's funny that the fundamentalists push for the US Constitution to be replaced by the Bible CONSIDERING... Martin Luther started the movement to remove the Catholic church from power. Here we have the beginning of the separation of church and state, a major division of Christianity between catholicism and protestantism, and all this separatist effort began with a protestant. Now, in 2004, we have fundamentalists, who, by in large are mostly protestant, that want the church and state as one.

[liontamer]

15. idol worshippers!!!!

Duh,


(sarcasm off)

[JVS]

16. Mathematically that is correct

{Catholics} is a subset of {Christians}, but {Christians} is not a subset of {Catholics}. Two sets are equal if and only if they each contained within the other. Thus there is not an equivalence relationship here

As far as individual elements of the set
similarly Catholic --> Christian
but Christian does not imply Catholic

Also the statement Christian <--> Catholic is false

[JohnKleeb]

18. Its because they're jealous of us

:eyes: protestants.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. Fundies like playing my christianity is bigger than yours

[Cheswick2.0]

27. So do some Catholics

it is an equal opportunity prejudice.

[Bluebear]

21. It's true, it's true, Jack Chick said it.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

[Nikia]

23. There are Catholics that believe that Protestants aren't Christian

I've been told that this is no longer the official Catholic position "There is no salvation outside the Church (Catholic Church headed by the pope)." There are Catholics from my home area who still believe that though. There were both Protestant and Catholic Fundamentalist. It was funny when some of them tried to convert each other "out of genuine concern" not realizing that they are just different versions of the same belief.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

24. Um, Catholicism was the birth of Christianity.

Every other denomination branched off from there. And they're pissed about it.
Duckie

[Cheswick2.0]

28. Who is pissed about it?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

29. I know some baptists that say Catholicism is a cult...

and think that it's a false religion. They believe that's why everyone branched off. When I said pissed, I was being melodramatic.
Duckie

[JohnKleeb]

35. yes duckie yes

Yeah I know what you meant.

[JVS]

31. Not necessarily. As far as Western Christianinty, yes. Coptic and...

Eastern Othodox are another story.

[JohnKleeb]

34. Eastern Orthodoxy came about in 1000 AD

I believe, I am not positive about that but Catholicism is the oldest branch of Christianity I believe.

[JVS]

38. You are mistaken

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/orthodox.htm

"Like Roman Catholicism, Orthodoxy claims a direct line of succession back to the original apostles. Also like Catholicism, Orthodoxy observes seven sacraments. Worship in Eastern Orthodoxy is heavily sacerdotal and mystical."

"The Orthodox recognize seven Ecumenical Councils, up to the Second Nicene Council (787). Orthodoxy and the bishop of Rome separated from one another in a schism that culminated in 1054. The issues had to do with Papal authority and a dispute over whether the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father only (Orthodoxy), or from the Father and the Son (the Western Church)."

Christianity was every bit as old in the East as it was in the West (probably older in fact)

[JVS]

39. Perhaps an analogy would explain it better

Germany was divided in the wake of WWII, but neither has claim to being the authentic or original Germany. Similarly East Germany did not come from West Germany or vice versa. In my dorms there was an annoying guy who wanted to become a priest talking about how the RCC is the oldest, most authentic, and so on, Marko, who was Serbian Orthodox said, "Your church is no older than mine and mine doesn't come from yours so back off"

[rockymountaindem]

33. I know people like that.

In my town, however, the "who's not Christian" question usually centers around Mormons. Since I'm a Jew, lots of my friends of the Christian/fundamentalist persuation (yes, I'd say 60% of my friends are fundamentalist Christians) try to confide in me "Oh, Rocky, they're (Mormons) not *really* Christians". My reply is always the same "Do they believe in Jesus? They do? Then they're Christians". It's as simple as that.

So, the next time you're not sure if an individual or group is Christian, just ask yourself the one simple question "Do they believe in Jesus?" That clears up the confusion for me.

[Johnny 99]

36. Fundies and the Klan

That's about it. Wonderful company there.

[Bluebear]

37. "The DEATH cookie" hahahahahahahha

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp

You have to see it to believe it!