Well, *I*, for one, don't "Love Raymond."

[RandomKoolzip]

I think it sucks and is totally unfunny, plus Patricia Heaton is a republican. I hate TV so much, but that show's idiotic Seinfeld-lite humor is particularly egregious.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. I know. That's why I don't watch it.

I have a STRICT policy of boycotting all conservative "artists"!

[DS1]

2. Me? I'd kick him when he was down.

[RandomKoolzip]

3. Romano's voice is so damn annoying!

I keep wanting to yell "clear yer throat!!!!!!"

And I'm really tired of sitcoms which feature some working class, idiotic, lying, bumbling, usually fat, unattractive guy married to some good-looking, smart woman. It doesn't happen in real life, and they should stop deceiving young boys into thinking it's possible.

[Fenris]

4. Raymond is a douchebag.

And his wife is a horrible you-know-what.

[dolo amber]

5. LIAR!!!

You *SO* love Raymond...you want to have like...10,000 of his babies!!
The evil monkey in Chris Griffin's closet told me so!! :bounce:

RKZZZZZZ!!!!! :hug: :hi:

[RandomKoolzip]

32. Hey there!

Posted this thread, then went to bed. Am using my old old laptop....the eMac got fried in the thunderstorm we had last thursday.....Ay yi yi; could it be karma for all those anti-techno posts?

[dolo amber]

41. You actually have to ask??!

:P

IT'S THE WRATH OF MOD!!! :evilgrin:

[Rowdyboy]

6. Sorry I can't join you guys in your boycott of conservative artists

To me, acting is acting. Mel Gibson has done some great work; Jane Fonda has done some trash.

Writers, painters, actors, composers, and musicians are all artists who may have incredibly diverse political views. Does their privately held political view negate the value of their work?

Not to me.

[LDS Jock]

7. I try to do that

separate the two and appreciate their work alone but sometimes its hard. I can't see Charlton Heston without thinking of the NRA.

[Gopens]

8. Have no use for "Raymond"

Or "Friends," or just about any current (or recently departed) sitcom that's supposed to be so great. "Seinfeld" has absolutely ruined TV comedies for me. Everything after that just seems so ordinary.

But I love "The Simpsons," "South Park" and "King of the Hill," if you classify those as sitcoms.

[President Jesus]

14. interesting choices, because pukes also love all three of your faves (nt)

[President Jesus]

12. When judging Heston, you do a disservice by forgetting...

..how amazingly active he was in the 60s fighting for civil rights. He was a HUGE movie star at the peak of his career in the 60s, and he was arguably the most outspoken white celebrity in support of civil rights.

To me, that far outweighs his cookiness with the NRA...but to each his own.

[LDS Jock]

18. I didn't know that

it was before my time so to speak and I wasn't aware. I'm glad you pointed it out. Now I can watch Ten Comandments again. :D

[Rowdyboy]

15. True

But when I see "BraveHeart" or "Mad Max" or "Conspiracy Theory" or "What Women Want" I am amazed at the acting versatility of this man. Yes, he's a nutcase, but he's also very talented.

[Whitacre D_WI]

33. A world without "Love It to Death"-era Alice Cooper...

...is not a world I want to live in.

Art is art, and politics is politics. Sure, there are points of overlap. But most Wagner operas aren't one long Jew-bashing screed; some of them are very nearly divine. Cooper made some great records in the early-'70s. Heston was in PLANET OF THE APES, fer Chrissakes!

Some people can be thoroughly loathsome, but still make great art.



Edit: I'll still bash Heaton, though, 'cause I cant fucking stand her acting. ;)

[RandomKoolzip]

34. And THEE greatest book on Rock and Roll EVER....

"Rock and the Pop Narcotic," was written by Libertarian Capatalist Joe Carducci.

Yes, if someone's work is just absolutely stellar and they happen to be conservative, I'll overlook it. But if they're fucking lame at what they do and have republican sympathies, then fuck 'em.


And I SWEAR "Billion Dollar Babies" is SOOO much better than "Love it to Death."

[Whitacre D_WI]

36. *ahem*

"Billion Dollar Babies" is SOOO much better than "Love it to Death."

My ass.

[RandomKoolzip]

38. What, is your zit-scarred pale white ass "exhibit A?"

"I'm Eighteen:" totally overrated. Plus the band was really sloppy during that period; I have a clip of them performing "18" from some MTV Closet Classics thing, and they were AWFUL; everyone was out of tune and Michael Bruce sounded like a 13-year old retarded boy imitating Keith Moon while OD'ing on quaaludes.

I sincerely believe the band as a whole didn't come into their own until "School's Out." Now, Furnier himself as a conceptualist/lyricist/persona? Sure, "Love it to Death" is a great example of his ague-racked brainpan. But that doesn't mean I find it as listenable as the pre-Vegas stuff.

[Whitacre D_WI]

40. Only overrated by people who think it's the best song ever.

No, it's not. But it's pretty friggin' good, nonetheless.

My exhibit A: "Is It My Body?" Rocks like a sonofabitch, and A.C. lends some seriously mad vox.

Exhibit B: The "Second Coming"/"Ballad of Dwight Fry"/"Sun Arise" medley. Better than the "Golden Slumbers"/"Carry that Weight"/"The End" medley from Abbey Road.

Exhibit C: "Black Juju." Crazy jamminess, A.C. screaming "bodiiiieeeeess!" like a demon, funky-ass tribal drums.



And I don't care how the band sounded live then. I wasn't alive. I know what they sound like on the record, and that's enough for me.

[RandomKoolzip]

42. I'd still take

"Hello Hooray," "No More Mr. Nice Guy," "Elected," "Generation Landslide," and "Billion Dollar Babies" over all those above tunes. If Alice'd replaced "Raped and Freezin'" and "Mary Ann" with "Under my Wheels" and "Teenage Lament '74," we'd be talking top ten of all time (in my universe, where ginger ale flows like wine and the birds sing in portuguese)

[Whitacre D_WI]

43. Hell, LITD is already top-20 material for me.

Seriously.

I mean, if I had to make a list, it would come out 19th or 20th. But that's still "top-20," dammit.

[RandomKoolzip]

44. My list would be so crammed full of Grateful Dead bootlegs.....

No, I'm kidding! Really!!! There'd be lots of The Fall and Wire and Ewan McColl and stuff! Really! Lee Perry, too!!!!

[Whitacre D_WI]

46. Showdown, baby.

You wanna post your list?

Different thread, of course.

[President Jesus]

9. Well, if they are conservative, none of them have donated 1 dime to pukes

I can't find any instances, maybe you can... http://www.newsmeat.com

Plus, Peter Boyle is a big liberal from way back...was close friends with John Lennon. (disregard one of the listings from Peter Boyle, beverage distributor.)

I have heard Patricia Heaton is pro-life, but she's also a feminist. I don't understand how that necessarily makes her a republican, and if even if she is, she certainly doesn't put her money where her mouth is.

Ray Romano is definitely apolitical. I've seen his stand up act and nearly all his TV show and have never heard one political joke.

Brad Garrett has one donation, and it's to Barry Gordon, a Democrat.

Again, I don't know where this rumor broke out that it's a 'conservative' or 'republican' show. I've watched it from year one and still find it incredibly funny and well performed.

[TSIAS]

16. Heaton is probably GOP

http://www.patriciaheatononline.com/pharticles2000-01/craigkilborn.html

-snip-
Heaton: "No, I was, you know what, I hate to say I am a Republican because there are some issues that I'm very Democratic on and some issues, I'm against the death penalty, so that's more of a Democratic Party thing. Pro-life so that's more Republican, so, it's hard, but, but I'm like the only celebrity they could get to come to this thing in Washington. Like no one else would go, it was like me and a ventriloquist."

(more)

Still, that doesn't preclude me from watching the program. Her character seems like a liberal, while Frank is definitely conservative.

[President Jesus]

17. maybe, but she's certainly doesn't sound like DeLay or Coulter...

...so I don't understand the villification of Patricia Heaton.

[Commendatori]

37. She walked out on some

Hollywood shindig because it offended her moral sense, and Righty Radio went nuts over her. I don't remember the specifics, but I do remember her being on some "babes of the GOP" website.

[terrya]

39. I know Heaton is very much anti-abortion.

She's made quite a bit of her feeling ostracized in Hollywood because of her views on abortion.

[Commendatori]

47. I heard that too, but

I think what she walked out on was something with sexual references, vulgarity or something like that.

Doesn't anyone remember this? It's on the tip of my brain and I can't freaking recall it!

[HEyHEY]

10. I down-right hate that mother fucker

[TSIAS]

11. The show has seen its better days

Next year will be its last, concluding with a shortened 16 episode season.

The first 6 seasons were excellent, IMO. I've found, however, that the last few seasons have been kind of stale. The producers realized that it would be hard to keep this up much longer.

Edit- I should mention that the acting is still superb. The cast of Romano, Heaton, Boyle, Roberts, and Garrett may be the best sitcom cast of today. It's the creativity that has suffered as of late.

[TreasonousBastard]

49. Yeah...

truth is, I always thought Romano himself was the weakest cast member, but he is heavy on the creative end. Heaton is OK, but pretty much a standard cookie-cutter frazzled TV wife most of the time.

Boyle and Roberts are magnificent, and keep some of the staler chestnuts alive. Garrett's face alone is sometimes the reason to watch the show.

Sitcoms are sitcoms, and no one can come up with 20 or so great shows a season, but that Italy trip was one of the best things I've ever seen anywhere. I rarely actually "watch" TV and usually just tape anything I might want to see, and I've got 5 or 6 Raymond's saved somewhere that are classics.

[FDRrocks]

13. I'm with you...

I could never stand 1 episode of that show. But then again I'm not partial to that whole... erm... I don't know how to put this... "family friendly" to the extreme kind of comedy. Although that kind of stuff can be funny, such as when Bill Cosby does it, but Raymond doesn't do anything for me.

[SarahB]

19. Raymond's dull. The wife is mean. The kids are fake.

Like most of TV- pointless!

[Lisa0825]

20. I love the show.....

It reminds me of the whole disfunctionality of my own family.... the matriarch and patriarch bickering are soooooooo like my mom and dad. I like the positive/negative of Raymond and his wife. I think it's a funny show, and that's regardless of politics.

[Selwynn]

21. I think the show is great.

[arwalden]

22. Brad Garrett Is A Hot Hunka Man.

Have you seen the size of his hands?

-- Allen

[terrya]

28. Pretty big feet, too.

I'm betting ol' Brad is a big man...:-)

Terry

[MrSlayer]

23. I'm with you, Fuck Raymond.

[SmileyBoy]

24. Everybody Hates Raymond

Including me.

[buddhamama]

25. i'm with you

the show contains the same old tired 'humor' that can be found throughout the dial.

men are stupid, women are overbearing condescending bitches and constantly ranking on ones family members is a show of love.

[LynneSin]

26. Patricia Heaton is a stepford wife....

....heck she's plastic from head to toe.

[terrya]

27. It's a loud, unfunny show that thinks it's "edgy"

Because of the relationship between Raymond, his brother and their parents.

But it's just a boring sitcom we've seen ad nauseum...heterosexual family with two or more precocious children, etc, etc, blah, blah, yawn. And it has Ray Romano, truly one of the most obnoxious people on the planet, to make this show's unwatchable factor complete.

[Bonhomme Richard]

29. I could never figure out why people watch.....................

a show about fighting and arguing all the time. I don't think it's funny at all. I also think Raymond is terrible. I watched Welcome to Mooseport on the plane last week and his acting was bad coupled with the whining he does all the time. Couldn't stand it but that's my taste.

[Loonman]

30. Show is just anti-men

His shrew of a wife runs roughshod over him.

[ProfessorGAC]

31. Awful People In An Awful Show

There is no character on that show with any redeeming qualities. The closest is Peter Boyle's character, and he's a flat out jerk. And he's the best one!

This group is more self-absorbed than the Seinfeld characters!
The Professor

[mzmolly]

35. I am so with you. It's a clue as to why there's a President * in office.

:eyes:

[Zolok]

45. Neither do I...

clout him on the noggin and steal his wife I say...

[redqueen]

48. I love the show

What's the point of these threads dedicated to hating TV shows, really?

:shrug: