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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 11:14 AM
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Patriotism, Selected Quotes:
Edited on Wed Dec-24-03 11:26 AM by G_j
I posted this in another thread, but then thought it might warrant it's own.
Mods, feel free to lock if you think it belongs solely in the other thread.

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-Rabbi Sherwin Wine:
There are two visions of America. One precedes our founding fathers and finds its roots in the harshness of our puritan past. It is very suspicious of freedom, uncomfortable with diversity, hostile to science, unfriendly to reason, contemptuous of personal autonomy. It sees America as a religious nation. It views patriotism as allegiance to God. It secretly adores coercion and conformity. Despite our constitution, despite the legacy of the Enlightenment, it appeals to millions of Americans and threatens our freedom.

The other vision finds its roots in the spirit of our founding revolution and in the leaders of this nation who embraced the age of reason. It loves freedom, encourages diversity, embraces science and affirms the dignity and rights of every individual. It sees America as a moral nation, neither completely religious nor completely secular. It defines patriotism as love of country and of the people who make it strong. It defends all citizens against unjust coercion and irrational conformity.

This second vision is our vision. It is the vision of a free society. We must be bold enough to proclaim it and strong enough to defend it against all its enemies.

-Ralph Waldo Emerson:
When a whole nation is roaring Patriotism at the top of its voice, I am fain to explore the cleanness of its hands and the purity of its heart.

-Barbara Ehrenreich:
No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

-Carl Schurz:
The peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country -- when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right."

-James Baldwin:
I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually

-David Hume:
The heights of popularity and patriotism are still the beaten road to power and tyranny; flattery to treachery; standing armies to arbitrary government; and the glory of God to the temporal interest of the clergy.

-Goethe:
Patriotism ruins history.

-H. L. Mencken:
The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair.

-Henry Steele Commager:
Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive.

-Hermann Goering:
Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. quote verified at snopes.com

-Howard Thurman:
During times of war, hatred becomes quite respectable, even though it has to masquerade often under the guise of patriotism.

-Margaret Chase Smith:
Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character.

-Mark Twain:
The government is merely a servant -- merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.

-Mark Twain:
Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and excusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let me label you as they may.

-Edith Cavell:
I realise that patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone.

-Edward R. Murrow:
We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

-Emma Goldman:
Patriotism ... is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods; a superstition that robs man of his self-respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit.


-Bob Dylan:
They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings. Steal a little and they'll throw you in jail, steal alot and they'll make you king.



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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 11:21 AM
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1. One of my favorites
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

-- Teddy Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918

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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 11:29 AM
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2. I just going to add that TR quote. One of my favs from a Repub. n/t
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-03 11:38 AM
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3. Tom Corwin around 1860
I cannot comprehend the madness of the times. Southern men are theoretically crazy. Extreme Northern men are practical fools. The latter are really quite as mad as the former. Treason is in the air around us everywhere. It goes by the name of patriotism
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 01:18 AM
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4. Christmas kick
:-) :-) :-)
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:05 PM
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5. Nice quotes
:)
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 03:26 PM
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6. A few more.
"Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of slavery." G.B. Shaw

"Patriotism is a kind of religion: It is the egg from which wars are hatched." Guy de Maupassant

"It is lamentable that to be a good patriot we must become the enemy of the rest of mankind." Voltaire

"Guard against impostures of pretended patriotism." George Washington

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." Oscar Wilde

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:32 AM
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7. nice additions, I'll add them and the others to the list n/t
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:48 AM
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8. Here are a few:
True patriotism hates injustice in its own land more than anywhere else. -- Clarence Seward Darrow

In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, Brave, Hated, and Scorned. When his cause succeeds however,the timid join him, For then it costs nothing to be a Patriot. -- Mark Twain

One of the great attractions of patriotism -- it fulfills our worst wishes. In the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully and cheat. Bully and cheat, what's more, with a feeling that we are profoundly virtuous. -- Aldous Leonard Huxley

A real patriot is the fellow who gets a parking ticket and rejoices that the system works. -- Bill Vaughan

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots. -- Barbara Ehrenreich

Patriotism does not oblige us to acquiesce in the destruction of liberty. Patriotism obliges us to question it, at least. -- Wendy Kaminer







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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 01:54 PM
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9. That Twain fella sounds like an anarchist.
All the rest are defiantly pinkos or god-damned COMMIES!
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