Ballgame.

[radiclib]

Excuse me if I fail to join the celebration. This only ensures four more years of the Bush nightmare.

[beardedOldMan]

1. Yes, we can't get what we want...so we'll just be pissed at

good things as well as the bad.

[thebigidea]

3. so are you with us or against us?

I forgot how that works.

[beardedOldMan]

6. Huh?

Who's us?

:shrug:

Pro-troops, anti-troops, pro-bush, anti-bush, pro-US, anti-US?
Americans?

Who's us?

[thebigidea]

8. exactly.

[HFishbine]

12. I don't know

You were the one who started with "we." Who did you mean by "we?"

[beardedOldMan]

21. Exactly!

That proves my point, precisely!

Now read the message again.

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[Guaranteed]

13. Imagine Bush with four more years

and no more elections to worry about.

Pure...HELL.

[wndycty]

2. Not necessarily. . .

. . .it penalizes the candidates who don't have a vision. Bush is still very beatable and the candidate that does not depend on Bush being a failure is the one with the best chance to beat him. As Democrats we can not root for Bush to fail because when the president fails the country fails. We can not do that.

[virtualobserver]

4. In reality, This doesn't change anything

Not only is it not the ballgame, it will have no impact on Bush's chances at all.

This will not improve conditions in Iraq.

[placton]

5. Only will help IF

the Iraqi resistance is reduced - which I doubt.

[Beaker]

15. The resistance may actually get STRONGER

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/05/international/middleeast/05IRAQ.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=b767ef51cd75ec2c&ex=1071464400

...In Iraq, the fedayeen were Sadddam Hussein's dark-uniformed storm-troopers, who, unbroken after the American-led alliance invaded Iraq last spring, appear to be among the most potent force behind the attacks on Americans and their allies here, American officials say.

Many Iraqis also consider the resisters fedayeen, even those Iraqis who strongly oppose the American occupation here, and worry that Mr. Hussein would return if the resisters win. "If it were not for Saddam, I think more people would have joined already," said Kashid Ahmad Saleh, 48, a farmer here who is deeply angry at the American presence.

It was hard to pin down any single motive for the fighter here, who said he served in the Iraqi Army for six years, ending in 1998, and who gave the nickname "Fighter for the Sake of God." In compact and articulate answers, the man seemed a fanatic neither for God nor for Mr. Hussein.

"We are not fighting for Saddam," he said. "We are fighting for freedom and because the Americans are Jews. The Governing Council," he said, referring to the body of Iraqis appointed by the Americans, "is a bunch of looters and criminals and mercenaries. We cannot expect that stability in this country will ever come from them."

[jab105]

10. That may be reality...

but reality isnt what matters...its perception that matters...

I think its great that Saddam was captured, even better that he was captured alive looking like a hermit...I'm surprised that he was...however, I'm saddened that this may allow the neo-cons to pursue an agenda that I find incredibly dangerous...

[virtualobserver]

23. perception only matters in the extreme short term

but reality bites you in the ass.

Iraq is unspinnable, even with the capture of Saddam.

[jonoboy]

7. get over it for Gods sake

this does not change a friggin thing..just a few more deaths and everything will be back to normal ie: a disaster.
For crying out loud you are talking like Saddam was actually important.

[beardedOldMan]

14. Right let's just sit tight and wait for .

A few more deaths???? :o

[caledesi]

9. It's almost a year before the elections. This will fade.

Where is OBL? He's the real culprit.

Saddam Hussein - "We hardly knew ya."

[Jacobin]

11. Just a large non-event

Wait a couple of months. The attacks will continue as Iraq wants us out of their country.

BTW, where are the WMDs?

[Killarney]

16. No, it does not

If they had found a mass of WMD's... yes guaranteed 4 more years of Bush. But finding Saddam does not make Bush's lies truths. His lies still stand. This was still an illegal war which turned nearly every country in the world against us. Finding Saddam does not change that.

Not to mention the state of the economy.

Not to mention the election is 11 months away and people were saying the same thing about Bush Sr at this time in 1991 and we blew him out of the water with Clinton.

Everyone needs to stay positive and stop working to produce a Republican self-fulling prophecy.

[fishnfla]

17. Its great that he's captured no doubt

hope it will save trooper lives. But it does mean 4 more years,IMO

[kcwayne]

18. The good news is he is alive

and may have some very interesting evidence about collusion with various parties, such as Halliburton/Cheney et al.

So the interesting thing now is what happens with him. Saddam violated international law, not US law. If the US puts him in Gitmo and prevents anyone else from questioning him then nothing interesting will come out. But if Saddam's trial takes place in an international court, there could be some major embarrassments for alot of people.

[Snellius]

19. The sooner Iraq is resolved, the sooner we can move on

The real backlash won't happen until U.S. forces are out of immediate danger. As it is now, we can't criticize the war without putting ourselves into the position of being accused of "if you're not with us, you're against us." The sooner Iraq is stabilized and democratized the better. Only then will the administration have to show it's true hand -- to establish a permanent power presence in the Middle East. Does anyone really believe that when Iraq forms an independent government, the Unitied States is just going to pack up and go home? Most Americans still do not realize that Iraq has less to do with the war on terrorism than the imperialist Project for a New American Century.

[beawr]

20. Maybe not

I think the Administration would have preferred this to happen in September 2004.....